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GTX 295 and Empire: Total War

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December 26, 2009 9:29:52 PM

I just figured out that Empire: Total War performs particularly horrible on a GTX 295. In fact I tested a GTX 295 and a 9800 GT and the 9800 GT outperformed the GTX 295 by a lot. I created a thread a while ago about drivers for the GTX 295 and Empire: Total War, is anyone else facing this issue, does anyone expect for drivers to be available someday that will be optimized well for Empire: Total War and the GTX 295?

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December 26, 2009 9:36:54 PM

I think what might be happening is your card isn't coming out of 2d mode. I was having a similar problem with nvidia's most recent drivers with my gtx 275 (aka half a 295) and on some of my games it was simply running horrible and then i went to desktop to look at the clock speed and, they were still in at like 300mhz core and 700 shaders, so i just went ack to the 186 drivers and it fixed that problem. So trying switching back to an older set of drivers
December 26, 2009 9:58:37 PM

yah but why would I rollback drivers? I am afraid another game won't work right then it's not worth it to try I would rather have an idea of what nVidia is doing with their drivers we are all the way up to almost v. 200 drivers and Empire: Total War has been out for almost a year so the drivers for it should work quite well by now.
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December 26, 2009 11:53:11 PM

a suggestion was made try it out
same issue occurs for that game
move them forward no harm no foul
December 27, 2009 12:31:22 AM

I had a similar problem but i know how to fix it (more or less).

1. Go to Nvidia control panel
2. Go to Manage 3D Settings
3. Go to Threaded Optimization on the list
4. Change it from 'auto' to 'On'

This gave me a noticeable performance increase in Empire, and many other games (only in some others the only way to tell was FRAPS, since it was over 100 most of the time). Now even huge battles are smooth.
December 27, 2009 5:29:19 AM

it's not like changing drivers is really that big of a deal, if you simply keep the installation exe files on your hard drive it can be swapped out in like a minutes tops especially with these new ones that don't require a restart, and if they don't help then by all means go back to what you were on
December 27, 2009 7:03:57 AM

jonnyboyC said:
it's not like changing drivers is really that big of a deal, if you simply keep the installation exe files on your hard drive it can be swapped out in like a minutes tops especially with these new ones that don't require a restart, and if they don't help then by all means go back to what you were on


Lol. The guy asks for suggestion and when you offer one, he says No!
The same thing happens to me in Age of Empire where upgrading from a 9800 GT to a GTX 260 did not improve framerates during 8 player battles.
March 20, 2010 2:16:00 PM

just to let everyone know I sold the 295 for that reason and started using my 9800GT that was for PhysX and the 9800GT performes 70% better than the 295 did in empire total war.
March 21, 2010 10:26:28 AM

bmxjumperc said:
I just figured out that Empire: Total War performs particularly horrible on a GTX 295. In fact I tested a GTX 295 and a 9800 GT and the 9800 GT outperformed the GTX 295 by a lot. I created a thread a while ago about drivers for the GTX 295 and Empire: Total War, is anyone else facing this issue, does anyone expect for drivers to be available someday that will be optimized well for Empire: Total War and the GTX 295?


See, This is why I buy Nvidia cards, the ATI drivers are terrible, and just don't work.

Even though Nvidia products are more expensive, slower, and produce more heat, and don't support DX 11, and use more power when they do all that fun stuff, It's still worth it since you get stable drivers, and cards that just work, 100% of the Time.

The other day my HD 2600, Which is like a thousand years old, and has no effect on the current cards/drivers, ran into driver issues! How do you explain that!

Nvidia has NEVER NEVER EVER EVER had ANY problems with drivers.

The other day I heard ATI realsed some new drivers, version 196.75, that were frying cards!

EDIT: This one is for you BMX!


/Sarcasm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

March 21, 2010 10:31:28 AM

that post was nonsense and inacurate
March 21, 2010 10:32:32 AM

If you think about it really hard, you might be able to figure it out!

Or I can even edit it for you!
March 21, 2010 11:06:22 AM

ok I'll forgive you but ATI doesn't release drivers in the range of 000.00, their drivers are are in the range of 00.0

so it's imposible that 196.75 is an ATI driver
March 21, 2010 11:18:54 AM

I know, 196.75, Is an Nvidia driver killing cards.
a b Î Nvidia
March 21, 2010 11:28:45 AM

It was pretty obvious that bob was being sarcastic....

bmx I think you did a pretty stupid thing selling your 295, just because one game wasn't working right with your 295.
I see you'd rather sell your 295 than try the suggestion about rolling back to a different driver. That just seems crazy to me.
Anyway enjoy your 9800GT.
March 21, 2010 1:55:57 PM

oh ok you're an ATI guy, no that's confusing. Are you kidding me ofcourse I have rolled back drivers on the 295 I got the 295 the day it came out, I knew it wasn't a card that was going to last, it uses a ton of power, it only supports DX10, for a card that was $500 is dual GPU, uses a ton of power, only supports DX10, one of my favorite games that I wanted to play didn't work nearly at all I think I made the right decision to sell it for $300 to upgrade my friends computer.
March 21, 2010 2:11:50 PM

Holy, Crap you sold it for 300$!!!?!?!?!?!?

It's like 500$+ on Ebay!!!!!!

I would have bought the thing for 300$!
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March 21, 2010 3:06:30 PM

Empire used to be a mess on my 4850 and 5850 (horrific shadows, partially invisible buildings). Then, by way of patches (perhaps) and the new 10.3a drivers (from 9.12 HF), all of that was fixed.
March 21, 2010 5:36:05 PM

I don't know what the op is talking about, i get 40-60fps in empire, 40 when theres a large battle (this is with multi threaded optimization on in the NV control panel, which helps). Also, this is with a gtx 295.
March 21, 2010 7:14:06 PM

I tried every which program setting in the nVidia control panel nothing made a difference. I can't belive your 295 works you're so lucky, had it always worked or did it more recently start working better because of new drivers? I am baffled. I noticed you have ddr3 ram which will improve performance (I have ddr2 oc 1120) and you have a gamer sound card which could improve performance a little bit. Comparing our systems there really isn't a big difference and it should have come down to graphics processing power which we both had exactly the same of on a 2.0 PCI-E slot, so it doesn't make any sense why your game runs well and mine didn't. I am jelous I would have held onto my 295.
March 21, 2010 7:24:11 PM

No yannifb has a uniqe situation, I have read a lot of posts that Empire: Total War does not performe well on a GTX295 for whatever reason even with dual gpu mode off. Bottom line a lot of people were having a hard time with this card and that game.
March 21, 2010 7:44:22 PM

Yeh, Totally worth practically giving away you're 500$ card for 300$ to play 1 game.
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March 21, 2010 7:47:19 PM

How long ago did you sell your 295? Before the last patches? Some major graphical/processing updates happened to the game about mid way through.
March 21, 2010 8:18:05 PM

Yeh, Crysis had a similar problem with ATI hardware, Running it in Idle speeds.
March 21, 2010 9:11:39 PM

bmxjumperc said:
I tried every which program setting in the nVidia control panel nothing made a difference. I can't belive your 295 works you're so lucky, had it always worked or did it more recently start working better because of new drivers? I am baffled. I noticed you have ddr3 ram which will improve performance (I have ddr2 oc 1120) and you have a gamer sound card which could improve performance a little bit. Comparing our systems there really isn't a big difference and it should have come down to graphics processing power which we both had exactly the same of on a 2.0 PCI-E slot, so it doesn't make any sense why your game runs well and mine didn't. I am jelous I would have held onto my 295.


It seems that you got the very first 295s, i got the newer single pcb one (which shouldn't make a difference unless your card was overheating). I have a feeling it was just a faulty card.
March 21, 2010 9:51:50 PM

Excelent point, good observation I did have the original dual pcb GTX 295, that very well might have been the case.
March 22, 2010 12:07:24 AM

well since you have a cheaper card now you can upgrade to a dx 11 card with the money you got back. I'd recommend a 5870 since the price will drop soon when the fermi cards come, or if you want get a fermi card.
March 22, 2010 12:09:48 AM

Wait, Why did you sell you're card for 300$, when it's more on Ebay?
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