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December 28, 2009 6:22:15 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Next few weeks. BUDGET RANGE: Under $1,000

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming (FPS), Photo/Video editing, common student uses.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitors, Keyboard, Mouse, Printer.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I have been working with and really enjoy ibuypower.com (comments?)

PARTS PREFERENCES: From what I have read, money for power, best option is an i5 at the moment.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Sturdy case, plenty of cooling without way too much noise.


- NZXT Tempest EVO Gaming Tower Case
- Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 -- Intel P55 Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Dual-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, Dual PCI-E MB
- Intel® Core™ i5 750 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache)
- [Free Upgrade] Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 120mm Radiator [SOCKET-1156]
- 4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module
- NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 – 1GB
- 650 Watt -- Thermaltake EVO_Blue W0307RU Power Supply SLI Ready
- 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s
- 22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
- On-board sound (can scavenge x-fi from current rig)
- On-board network
- Windows 7 Home Premium
- FREE SHIPPING.

$1,005.00

Big Questions:

Motherboard: Gigabyte doing alright? I have had luck in the past, but bad mobo = ewww.
GPU: I have read good things about the GTS250, and as I am on a budget...
Case: I haven't worked with NZXT, but my current case is so shaky, noisy, it can't be worse, lol.

Thanks guys in advance for your input!

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December 28, 2009 6:58:53 PM

At that low resolution, a GTS 250 will be a strong performer. If you upgrade to a larger 1080p monitor, it will only be a medium performer.

That system has a top of the line CPU but only a middle/low end graphics card.

No idea if the HDD you get will be a fast 500GB platter drive or an old/slow 250GB platter drive.
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December 28, 2009 7:04:16 PM

Any suggestions for a similarly priced GPU? Otherwise it'll be a gts 250 until I get a little more money saved up. I am working on the monitor, so I guess I will cross that bridge when I get to it.

And I am sorry, what do you mean with the hard drive? As in... ibuypower likes to sub bad parts? Or what... ?
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December 28, 2009 7:16:24 PM

Not all 1TB hard drives perform the same. Newer models perform up to around 30% faster than older designs.

They will give you what they have in-stock, which may be lesser quality, older or cheaper components than you would buy if you picked the brands/models yourself. They are charging you extra on the parts to assemble it for you, they have to or they could not pay their employees salaries.

I have no idea what they charge for it, but the 5750 has DX11 which will become desireable in a year or two to get the most realistic graphics and is about the performance of the 250. The 5770 is 50% faster and not that much more.
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December 29, 2009 4:49:05 AM

NZXT TEMPEST EVO - $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Core i5 750 - $194.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Liquid CPU Cooling - $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 4GB (2x2gb) - $168.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Radeon HD 5770 1gb - $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 - $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thermaltake EVO_Blue W0307RU 650W - $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

WD 1tb 7200rpm 32mb Cache - $159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sony DVD Burner - $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows 7 Home Premium - $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So from newegg.com we are looking at $1,248.90. While the parts from NewEgg are probably a cut above what ibuypower may put in there, I might not care too much.

Great advice about the graphics card, the 5750 is definitely something I will look into further!

I have built before, and honestly I am kind of excited about the idea of plug and play... I think I got old... or became a noob... lol.

Also, I am changing from a amd 3200+ 2gb 320gb ati1650, so this new computer is going to be beastly :-)

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December 29, 2009 4:09:01 PM

If you have a Microcenter nearby you can save ~$50 on the i5.

That ram is overpriced, and your motherboard will only recognize it at 1333 out of the box. I'd suggest http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or something similar, saves you a good chunk of change.

HDD is expensive as well, I'd suggest a Spinpoint f3 500gb. They go for $55. If you really want the 1tb there is a 1tb model or you can put two of them in RAID 0 for better performance and still save $50 on that WD.

You only need about a 550W PSU for this system as well, you can probably save another $50 there if you look around.

If you are a student, or know a student who doesn't need it, you should be able to get a copy of Win7 Pro for $30 as well.
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December 29, 2009 4:20:18 PM

Aertea - I see we had the same ideas and must have been typing about the same time.

General comment - You do not specify if you are planning on Overclocking. The I5-750 Hits 3.6 - 3.8 VERY easy, and some are hitting 4.0/4.2 on air HSF.
Also you do not specify if Win 7 is the 32 Bit, or the 64 bit version. Reason, if 64 Bit (Normally supplied with computers using 4, or more gigs ram)will fully recognize your 4 Gigs - You may have a problem with your Scanner and/or Printer, I locked out on printer, but not so lucky with my "GOOD" scanner. If 32 Bit, you will only have about 3 to 3.5 gigs of memmory available for operating system/Programs (3 gigs w/ 1 Gig GPU, 3.5 Gigs with a 512 Meg GPU Card).

Minor comments about rpseraph's build - Good with minor exception
Generally prebuilt system, UNLESS specific parts are identified, the parts are the cheapest the "Builder" can get. Be it Dell, HP, or

Memmory - $129 Vs $169
DDR3-PC1600 CL7 (unless specified in ibuypower, your DDR3-1600 is probably CL9 and cost less than $100)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Liquid CPU Cooling - $69.99
Unless planning on overclocking above 3.8, not needed. In fact the one listed does not sound to hot. Good air cooler for Approx 30 -> 40 bucks.

Hard drive
A good WD 1TB - $100 (A -12 1 tb Seagate - $90.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Have you checked to see how close a microcenter is to you.
Reason - Thier normal "instore" price for the I5-750 is $150

The nearest microcenter store to my is about a 3 Hour drive. However. when ever I visit my son in Marland, it is just 15 minutes out of the way (Needless to say that is where I picked up my I5). Also when Visiting my other son (where I'm at now) it is just 7 Miles from his House.

That would knock off about $130 from your listed price. and as stated, UNLESS you know the parts in the ibuypower build, is better.
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December 30, 2009 12:45:59 AM

Maybe what I will do is email ibuypower and try to figure out more specifically which parts they put in.

Thank you guys so much for your advice. Anyone else with advice, I appreciate it!
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December 30, 2009 2:21:17 PM

this is my built....and trust me it is powerful !!!!
and i mean seriously amazing at a low budget !!

processor -core i5 750 2.66 ghz

motherboard -gigabyte ga p55m ud2

ram -2x 2 gb ddr3

gpu -ati hd 5850

cabinet -cooler master cm 690 or cooler master gladiator 600

smps -corsair 550 vx

hdd -segate 1tb (other brands are not available in india at least not where i live!!)

logitech keyboard mouse combo

optical drive -sony dvd writer

lcd -20 inch either lg or samsung
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December 30, 2009 9:05:22 PM

Quote:
motherboard -gigabyte ga p55m ud2

gpu -ati hd 5850


So you are happy with this? These are my main variables...

Gigabyte vs. upgrading to Asus or Abit. Are Gigabyte better than they used to be?

GTS 250 vs. 5770. 5770 is where I am leaning b/c it is a great card but might also last a little longer b/c of DX11 support...


Another question to anyone reading... I have the option of a free upgrade to a "Liquid cooling CPU cooler, 120mm fan". Is this a good option, or better to get some regular fan? I am interested in at least minor overclocking...
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December 30, 2009 10:18:27 PM

Gigabyte motherboards are generally equivalent in quality to ASUS.

The 5770 is 50% faster than the 250 in addition to DX 11.

The "liquid cooler" they talk about is going to be a sealed one-piece unit with a 120MM fan/radiator. The thing is a 120MM fan/radiator can only dissipate the same amount of heat regardless of how the heat moves from the CPU to the radiator. Those types of liquid coolers dont work any better than good aircoolers.
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February 25, 2010 1:08:07 PM

dndhatcher said:
Gigabyte motherboards are generally equivalent in quality to ASUS.

The 5770 is 50% faster than the 250 in addition to DX 11.

The "liquid cooler" they talk about is going to be a sealed one-piece unit with a 120MM fan/radiator. The thing is a 120MM fan/radiator can only dissipate the same amount of heat regardless of how the heat moves from the CPU to the radiator. Those types of liquid coolers dont work any better than good aircoolers.

On the other hand, it's free. Also, being a sealed unit, there's no need to top up the liquid levels.

My Cooler is a corsair H-50 (one piece sealed unitish thing), with a 90 CFM CoolerMaster fan attached. I'm very happy with the performance, even if it is the same as high end air cooling. I can tell you, it's a lot less bulky than a massive heatsink and fan assembly. My friend and I built similar systems, but he went for a Thermalright Ultra 120. We get similar cooling performance, but his heatsink gets in the way of the RAM cooler he wanted, and clutters his build.

I say: Go the free LCS, especially if the alternative is stock cooling.
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February 25, 2010 1:50:15 PM

What is your monitor resolution?

If it is 19xx you would get a better gaming computer for 1K by going AMD and at least a 5850.

And As for the Ibuypower build you CAN build a better computer through newegg for less money. Even an i5 750 build.

With the build above the bottle neck will be the GPU at 19xx res if your monitors res is less then that the 5770 would be fine.

A) You are skimping on one of the most important parts of a gaming computer which is the GPU.

B) As others said you do not know what parts they are putting in the computer. You could get stuck with a BS PSU and watch your system fry down the road and be out the 1K.

Just food for thought.
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February 26, 2010 10:11:12 AM

FYI, I did order my computer from ibuypower finally.

I talked to people who have gone with them and have been pleased with the brands of hardware they put in.

Also I went with the 5770, and made sure to get a nice Corsair PSU. Should be a great computer, thanks for all the advice guys, appreciate it.
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