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December 29, 2009 6:45:03 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Between January 14th and Feb. 1st BUDGET RANGE: $780-$900 After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:Gaming, 3d design, Photoshop editing, Corel Painter(I use a wacom tablet, so this stuff is important to me)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Mouse, Speakers, Monitor, Keyboard, OS, Hard Drive, Case
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg, any other reputable sites
PARTS PREFERENCES:I have none

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, absolutely SLI OR CROSSFIRE: If necessary, sure

MONITOR RESOLUTION:1280x768 and 1680x1050
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Hoping to be very careful, and get something that will do everything I want and need. Don't mind being patient. I CAN go over the limit, depending on how much, and what the payoff would be.

Ok, this is my first build ever. I've taken apart dozens of PCs, upgraded many times, I think its about time to put one together. I'm looking to build a gaming PC, that will play about anything I want it to at 1680x1050(From research and word of mouth, this shouldn't be hard). I have no preferences on brands, as long as I can overclock well(In order to get the most out of this build).

I already have a CHEAP, full tower case that will work(seems completely unbranded, bought at a shop a while back for $40, hating myself for it), but if someone has a good, cheap case that would work better, please suggest it. But this case can work. I understand how important a good case can be. It does have spaces for a fan in the front, back, and two on the side, removable panel. Uses screws to lock drives in place. Simple.

My current unit is an e4500, with a Hitachi 7200 rpm 500 gb HD, Western Digital 7200 rpm 320 gb hd, an evga 512mb 8800 gt, a cheap PSU. Bought the Acer a few years ago, prebuilt from Best Buy(A month later, realized how important it was to self build). Upgraded to the current PSU and GPU hoping to play Oblivion, with no luck. The current build is not bad, but I want something with more oomph. I will either sell or keep the 8800 GT, so if going with 8800 gt in sli is a good idea, I can, for the new unit.

I have no parts in mind, besides maybe a core2 duo e6700, or maybe the q6600. I already own 4 sticks of OCZ, pc2 6400, 1 gb dual ch, platinum revision 2, at 4-4-4. I can use this or some other kit, depending on your opinions(Its cheap ram, got it for free :p ).

I need some input, because my head is about to pop from all of the differing information I'm getting online and off. I'm a gamer, and love cranking games up to their max when I can. I am an artist, so being able to run things such as Photoshop or Painter 11 is important as well. And, as someone wanting to get into the gaming business, I need to be able to work with 3d imaging applications such as 3ds max or something far simpler, like Poser. And for God's sake, I want to play Oblivion at better than 25 FPS >.>

I'm new to this site, read the faqs on how to post and such, hoping I'm not being a burden. Thanks guys.

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December 29, 2009 7:01:25 AM

id go with a phenom ii x4 proc, an am3/2+ sli mobo that supports ddr2 and then fleabay a 2nd 8800gt. a name brand 650+watt psu too
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December 29, 2009 3:40:38 PM

How well will the Phenom Overclock, if necessary? I want to get the most out of this. According to Tomshardware, in this writeup of a $650 setup, this same cpu didn't cut it as well on productivity, and the e5200 would beat it out, once overclocked.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-gaming-pc,2424-...

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here's an i5-750 for about 10 bucks more
Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, here's an i7 920, for roughly $100 more
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As for the GPU, would I have much of a benefit if I dumped the 8800 gt, and went for the 4890? Tomshardware shows these cards performing well. According to this chart, and several others, the Card is at second from the top in a CF setup.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-card...

In addition the card seems to perform at nearly the top in the other charts(a littler lower on Fallout and The Last Remnant, but still 89.9 FPS, which should be smooth as silk)

GIGABYTE GV-R489OC-1GD Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for a PSU, I've been looking at this.

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Now, again, would I see a noticeable increase in performance from 2 4890 over 2 8800 GTs at 512? I apologize for not posting some of the hardware pieces I was looking at in my first post. Might have given some sort of direction.
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December 29, 2009 4:23:03 PM

Just one 5850 is 300 bucks. Are you saying I should go with one card, or go CF? If I buy the aforementioned CPU for 170 or so, as well as the 650w PSU, with two of these cards, it'd be $960, and that's not including a motherboard. Are you saying two 4890s wouldn't be much of an increase over two 8800 GTs, or ONE 4890 wouldn't be much better than 2 8800s?

XFX HD-585A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 29, 2009 4:32:00 PM

the 5850 is way faster than two 8800 GTs plus it has DX11... even though we apparently wont see many DX11 games for a while
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December 29, 2009 4:42:16 PM

Odd, my post went away. Huh. Anyway, with a single 5850 in the basket, I can EASILY build my machine, especially if I'm going with the CPU I posted earlier. Perhaps I can go with a single 5850, and go crossfire if or when I need to? Honestly doesn't sound like 2 4890s would be much of an increase over the single 5850, which means if I go with the 5850, the earlier CPU, and PSU, I'm at about $568 spent.

Now, how well will the CPU I posted earlier, the Phenom at 3.2 ghz, perform up against the i5-750? At only 20 bucks more, if the i5 will outperform it, i'd go with that.
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December 29, 2009 4:53:11 PM

Nah, I'm just thinking of in the future, if I happen to need the extra power. But, honestly, considering that one 300 dollar card isn't extremely overpowered by 2 200 dollar cards, I don't figure I'll need to buy another 5850. Was only thinking if the 5850 had dropped a significant amount, by the time I needed more power(And, looking from videos of how well a single 5850 performs, don't think that's going to be ANY time soon).

Ok, so for gaming one is equal to another. What about in applications, such as Photoshop or Painter 11? Would there be any difference, or at least anything significant?

Also, if I'm only running a single GPU, do I still need to run with a 650w PSU? I still plan on overclocking. I'm asking merely because newegg has several well priced Case+PSU combos, but some of the PSUs are a bit weaker than the 650w I posted earlier.
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December 29, 2009 5:11:33 PM

Personally I would go with this set up:
2x HD 5770 ~ $320
i5 750 ~ $200
p55 mobo ~ $150
4 gb ddr3 ~ $110
600+ watt psu ~ $100
cd/dvd drive ~ $30
TOTAL = $910

The 2x 5770's are better than 1 5850 and is equal to or sometimes even better than one 5870. The I5 750 is a notoriously good overclocker. On stock volts you can probably get up to around 3.6 - 3.8ghz.

Some good upgrades to think about:
A samsung f3, wd caviar black, or seagate 7200.12 hard drive would be faster cheap solution than what your running now ~ $60
Aftermarket cpu cooler for an overclock to the 4.0+ ghz range ~ $45
New case would offer better cooling (nzxt seems to offer good quality chepaer cases) ~ $60
Add some case fans to your current case ~ $15 ea.
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December 29, 2009 5:36:05 PM

Hmm.... If it's a decent performance jump, for only about 10-20 bucks, the two 5770s wouldn't be bad...
I was leaning towards the i5 due to Tom's charts, showing the i5 performing faster in some of the apps I run. Though, the mobo DOES cost more.
So, go ddr3 instead of the ddr2 I already have?
As for a case, I can't decide if I want to just get a decent new one, or just install the fans I have in the one I currently have. I've got 3-4 fans, and this unit has plenty of spaces for them(Though, no idea how well placed)
Definitely planned on getting some kind of cpu cooler, for that sort of overclocking, at least thinking about it.

Dangit. Hmmm, decisions decisions.... Either two 5770s, or a single 5850. i5 or phenom.....Argh.
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December 29, 2009 5:50:33 PM

At the resolution your gaming at the 5850 will have a higher min fps while the average of 2x 5770's will be way higher. If you plan to go up to a 1920x1080 monitor any time soon than the 2x5770's will definitely be the way to go. Here is a good article that compares them:
http://techgage.com/article/ati_radeon_hd_5770_crossfir...

ddr3 will offer some performance advantages. especially in the 3d design/photoshop area.

You'll see the I5 consistently being recommended not only by TomsHardware, but plenty of other sites as well. But if you don't need all of the power of an I5 save some money and go the AMD route. Either processor should do fine for gaming, the advantage goes to the I5 with most professional apps.
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December 29, 2009 5:57:29 PM

I'm thinking of going with this

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Anandtech puts that as being even stronger than the 955, at only about 30 bucks more. Whether I go with that or the 955, I can't see much of a difference in performance between the i5 and these two. Plus, being able to use my current ram is $100 I save, meaning I can eaither pocket it or put it towards some other upgrade(Maybe a case+PSU combo). And I've read about this ddr3 vs ddr2 thing, sounds like its more or less 6 to one, hald a dozen to the other.

As for the GPU, I think I'll stick with the 5850. That SHOULD be able to play Fallout 3, Oblivion, and the other games I play VERY smoothly(correct me if I'm wrong). Plus, unless I go with a cheap brand, I can't get two 5770s for $320. I'd rather run with XFX, simply for the warranty.
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December 29, 2009 6:08:56 PM

Shourisha1 said:
I'm thinking of going with this

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Anandtech puts that as being even stronger than the 955, at only about 30 bucks more. Whether I go with that or the 955, I can't see much of a difference in performance between the i5 and these two. Plus, being able to use my current ram is $100 I save, meaning I can eaither pocket it or put it towards some other upgrade(Maybe a case+PSU combo). And I've read about this ddr3 vs ddr2 thing, sounds like its more or less 6 to one, hald a dozen to the other.

As for the GPU, I think I'll stick with the 5850. That SHOULD be able to play Fallout 3, Oblivion, and the other games I play VERY smoothly(correct me if I'm wrong). Plus, unless I go with a cheap brand, I can't get two 5770s for $320. I'd rather run with XFX, simply for the warranty.



I would get the x4 955 instead of the 965. It overclocks the same if not slightly better depending on luck and its cheaper. Either way both chips usually hit a wall around 4ghz on air.

The 5850 is a good choice..too bad their still $40 over retail right now. I would stick with a single card at that resolution and your definitely going to want dx11 in the future.
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December 29, 2009 6:17:53 PM

Since your planning on overclocking I would think the 955 would make more sense. The 965 does have an unlocked multiplier but everything I've read says they overclock about the same.

The real difference between the 955/965 and the I5 is the overclocking headroom. It's up to you whether that difference is worth the extra money.

1 5850 will still play oblivion and Fallout 3 just fine. Probably with max settings even. Some people don't care about what brand they go with. I'm with you though, XFX has always been my choice (I'm currently running an XFX 5870).
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December 29, 2009 6:18:59 PM

Yeah, I was thinking about the fact that both hit the 4ghz wall. And when I look at comparisons, the i5 doesn't seem to outperform the 955 by much, and definitely not enough to spend the extra $110 on ram and the $30 difference between the two chips.

As for the GPU, even looking at the guide SLC posted, the two 5770s only seem to excel WELL in a couple games. In Crysis, the single 5850 even outperforms the 5770 crossfire. Definitely think the single 5850 is the way to go.

Yeah, and the XFX 5770s cost a fair amount more, no less than 179.99 on newegg. That would put a pair at being $360. I can't see as to how the two 5770s would be $60 worth of an improvement.

I'm still somewhat undecided on the CPU, but I'm almost positive it'll be the 955 for me. I do like intel, but having to spend an extra $140 for a little faster ram and a somewhat more powerful CPU, seems counter-productive, unless I can find some stats showing the i5 being significantly better.

So, with this in mind, what would be a good Mobo, for the 955 and 4 slabs of ddr2 ram? My current case should fit any mobo, but I may or may not go with a new case. What I pick in that category will depend on the mobo, I guess. Also, will the ram I have perform well? The biggest problem I've had with building a unit is the Mobo, and ram.

I know I must be bugging the heck out of you people. Thanks a ton.

So, with what I have now, the current load out is:

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

165.00

XFX HD-585A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

309.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

89.99

4 sticks of OCZ 1gb ram, pc2 6400 dual ch, 4-4-4

My current case(May upgrade, depending on my total)

TOTAL: $564.98

Which means I can upgrade some of these parts to something better, or buy additional parts like HDs, CPU coolers, Etc.
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December 29, 2009 6:28:33 PM

slc_custom said:
Since your planning on overclocking I would think the 955 would make more sense. The 965 does have an unlocked multiplier but everything I've read says they overclock about the same.

The real difference between the 955/965 and the I5 is the overclocking headroom. It's up to you whether that difference is worth the extra money.
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Both the 965 and the 955 have an unlocked muliplier.

I would get a board that supports ddr3 memory if possible. DDR2 is on it's way out.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 29, 2009 6:48:11 PM

Good lookin out. Didn't notice they were both BE chips.

+1 to going with ddr3. The price difference between DDR3 and DDR2 is not that much right now.
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December 30, 2009 1:13:36 AM

Would upping to ddr3 be worth the price? If so, what would be a good set of ram to go with. I keep hearing some differing thoughts on which brand, etc, etc.

How about one of these boards, if I AM upping to ddr3:

GIGABYTE GA-MA785GT-UD3H AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gigabyte seems like the board of choice, though there were some people complaining about the sata ports.

I'll have to check around and see what I can sell my ram for.

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December 30, 2009 1:45:20 AM

Go with the asus, It has vrm heatsinks and is much more stable in overclocking. The down side is that it doesn't have gigabyte's amazing dual bios
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December 30, 2009 4:03:52 AM

Hmmm.... Upon doing some figures, I see that, with all of the parts so far, I come to a total of $650 or so. Add another 50 to that, if I buy 100 worth of ddr3 ram, and I can sell my current ram for 50(I REALLY hope). That brings it to $700. I wonder, if I were to bump up to, say, an i7-920, or an i7-860, what sort of difference would I see? I can pick up either one for about $100 more than the phenom 955. Also, newegg has some open box mobos for the i5s and i7s. Would I see a significant increase on either of these? Or, perhaps jumping the GPU up a bit, with that $100.
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December 30, 2009 3:36:38 PM

Wow. I'm in the middle of shopping for CPU+case combos, checking how much my grand total might be, and what do you know, they deactivate the 5850 I was looking into, the same one I linked to. >.>

Ok, here's what I've got :

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P7P55D LE LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AZZA Solano 1000 Black/Black Japanese SECC Steel/Metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

AZZA Dynamo 650 650W ATX 12V Ver 2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Now, that setup seems pretty good to me. The case is a nice, full size, with plenty of airflow, and looks a bit more sturdy than the one I have now. According to my cart, that comes up to $586, with $11 shipping. Almost $600. That's not including $75 in MIR, plus I SHOULD be able to sell my current ram for $50, so knock off a total of $125, putting me at $475 spent. I went with that g skill because of some good reviews I've seen, but anything that is cheaper but would be as good, please advise.

That merely leaves me with my GPU, and a cpu cooler. Considering that newegg has removed my $309.99 xfx 5850, the next cheapest xfx is 339.99. For 20 bucks more, I could go with two 5770s, IF that's worth the 20 bucks(That scaling issue I've read about doesn't sound fun....) All I'll have left is a cpu cooler to pick out, which is somewhat difficult to purchase due to a review I read of the Azza case, saying only a 140mm cooler would fit.

I think I'm in the home stretch :D 
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December 30, 2009 5:55:46 PM

Don't leave out the 5870 as an option. It's by far the best card I've ever owned. It will however add ~ $100 to your build. Well worth the money if you can make it fit though.

Also be careful with what psu you choose. I'm not familiar with AZZA so I can't say if they are good quality or not. Generally you will want to stick with the well known brands like Antec, Thermaltake, SeaSonic.

EDIT:
And Corsair. Don't know how I forgot them lol.
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December 31, 2009 1:06:15 AM

I've been looking at a 5870, actually. xfx brand one can be had on newegg for 409.99. So, its 5850 for 340, 2 5770s for 360, or 5870, for 409. In addition, upon looking at ebay, my ram won't even sell for 10 bucks. Meaning, the g.skill will DEFINITELY cost full price, rather than a cheap upgrade. Meaning my current check out of nearly $600, would only drop by $75 for the MIR---Equalling up 525 bucks. Add at LEAST 15 dollars for a CPU cooler(One combo looks decent on the i5, and would only jump the price by 15), and that's $540. Another $409=$949.

Now, I'm getting a headache.
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December 31, 2009 4:45:08 AM

EDIT: Dangit, must have hit reply. I apologize.

Alright, think I've decided.

AZZA Solano 1000 Black/Black Japanese SECC Steel/Metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

AZZA Dynamo 650 650W ATX 12V Ver 2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$169.98

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$194.99

XFX HD-587A-ZNF9 Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire
Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$409.99

Open Box: ASUS P7P55D LE LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$94.99

Silverstone 6" ATX extension cable kit Model PP04 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$6.99

I am 100% positive on these(Besides maybe the mobo). I love the case, the PSU has gotten good reviews(Especially if you check on the higher wattage versions, apparently Azza isn't bad), I love the reviews I'm seeing of the I5, and the 5870 looks delicious. On top of that, A year or two from now when the 5870 is getting grey around the temples, I have the choice of either upgrading the card or going crossfire(I love having choices). Just need to know how well that mobo performs with overclocking.

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$84.99
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TOTAL: $939.05
-$ 75.00 MIR
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$876.05=Total Price of PC, Without Ram or HD(May not pick up HD immediately)

Ram will be either:

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory Model F3-15000CL9D-4GBRH - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$94.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$95.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$126.99

Then, I simply have to pick out a good cpu cooler. Both of these will be only 20 bucks, thanks to combos with the I5:

Vigor Monsoon III LT Dual 120mm Fan CPU Cooler Socket 1366 Ready - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That second supposedly got high ratings from Maximum PC.

And with that, I'm officially done shopping today.


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December 31, 2009 3:11:22 PM

Hi Shourisha1,

You might have read my review on newegg for that xfx5850. I mentioned about the scaling problem on my 42" plasma tv. I'm still working on that issue! I've been exchanging messege with xfx Customer support and they insist the option for scaling is in the cataylst control panel. I've spent a total of almost 3 hours "combing" all the options and tabs and I still could not find it. I'm on the latest catalyst 9.12 I believe they remove the scaling option because when all their replies refering to 9.9. So, doesn't matter if you get the 5870 which looks very cool btw but be ready to get frustrated by the ATI Catalyst. It is very annoying I might have to downgrade the driver to solve scaling problem.

Enjoy your PC building!
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December 31, 2009 3:54:27 PM

I have heard about people having problems with scaling on ATI's cards when put in CF solution, that's why I've decided to run with a single 5870. I don't like the idea of having to comb through dozens on forums or calling up ATI at all hours of the night, just because I decided to use 2 cards, instead of a single. I figure that maybe, just maybe, by the time I would want to CF, ATI might have become a bit better on their drivers. Maybe. Doubtful.

Anyway, thanks for your input, and I hope you have some better luck. I would go with an Nvidia card, except for the fact that their cards Price to Value comparison just doesn't cut it. I just hope I make the right decision on the mobo, ram, and cpu cooler.

Eh, with my luck, they'll double the prices on all these components by the time I get my money on the 14th.
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January 15, 2010 4:39:43 AM

I'd honestly say go with an i5 750, hands down the biggest bang for the buck, you can go to a slightly faster i7 (1156 socket based) for about a hundred more. MB + CPU + 8GB of ram will run you around $550 on newegg, with another $300 you can throw an ATI 5850, or a 4870 in there. That would be my suggestion. If you did go with a 8570 make sure your case supports Extended ATX, as they are hellatiously huge, had to get a new case for the one in my son's birthday build, ordering the rest of the parts in the morning... If you plan on going with Crossfire or SLI, you'll probably want to go with a Phenom 2 965 on a 790FX motherboard for a similar price range (CPU/MB/RAM). I usually narrow my search on newegg, and sort by best rating to narrow down my top choices.
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January 15, 2010 4:41:30 AM

getook said:
Hi Shourisha1,

You might have read my review on newegg for that xfx5850. I mentioned about the scaling problem on my 42" plasma tv. I'm still working on that issue! I've been exchanging messege with xfx Customer support and they insist the option for scaling is in the cataylst control panel. I've spent a total of almost 3 hours "combing" all the options and tabs and I still could not find it. I'm on the latest catalyst 9.12 I believe they remove the scaling option because when all their replies refering to 9.9. So, doesn't matter if you get the 5870 which looks very cool btw but be ready to get frustrated by the ATI Catalyst. It is very annoying I might have to downgrade the driver to solve scaling problem.

Enjoy your PC building!


Is it a scaling issue, or an overscan issue. if your native resolution is 1920x1080, and your video card is set to that, then it should fill the screen. If you can't disable overscan in the TV, then you will need to adjust the scaling on the video card, which is admittedly a pain.
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January 22, 2010 12:20:15 AM

I've decided on a build, tell me what you guys think.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX 5870 GPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sony Optiarc Dvd/CD Burner

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G. Skill 4 GB (2x2) DDR3 1600

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Azza Solano 1000 Full Tower Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1tb HDD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 750w PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Core I5-750 CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gigabyte P55 Motherboard

Total: $1,258.33
MIR: $60
Money made off of previous unit: $200

I like this build. Its more than I intended, but halfway through the build, I decided that I really wanted to be able to begin learning and working with 3D Rendering, such as 3DSMax and such. After looking at reviews, all of these components seem to be very good---Only piece from an unknown company is the Azza Case, and I've read dozens of reviews, from every site I've seen, state that the case is as good as most $200 cases(and its only 85 bucks after rebate)

What do you guys think? I needed something for gaming, 3D rendering, general use, just about everything. I plan to OC the cpu hard, but will have to wait until I can get the Corsair H50 Water Cooling unit. For now, I'll have to rely on the stock unit, which, according to Tom'shardware, will still oc to 3.6, and decent temps, if underclocked.
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July 12, 2010 9:13:22 PM

I say you get a intel i3 (530 or 540) oc'd to 4ghz
good mobo
g.skill eco 4gb ram


corsair tx750w

dual 5770's

western digital 640fb black edition

any cd/dvd drive

antec 900 case\\ or 300

endless possbilites
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