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March 6, 2010 12:26:11 PM

I currently have an Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66Ghz dual core processor. 1066FSB.

I've not had any major problems with games as yet, though STALKER and Supreme Commander run a bit slow. I cant really tell when a game is running slow due to the CPU or the Graphics card.

My system just suffered some damage due to bad installation of a power supply. I believe the damage was to the motherboard and graphics card only, but I can't be sure.

Anyway, basically my choice is either to get a replacement for the SKT-775 motherboard, and keep my processor and ram....

Or to get a new super awesome motherboard and get a processor upgrade while I'm at it. I was thinking of a Core i5 750 2.66Ghz quad.

Obviously the trouble is that doing so would result in me needing new RAM as well, and the end result would be expensive.

I think a roughly equivalent motherboard to the one I have now (ASUS SKT-775 P5B S/L), which is no longer possible to buy, it seems, would be something between £40 to £100.

I'd welcome a suggestion for a suitable board. I'm not looking for special features, just support for a single powerful graphics card for now (HD5970 or 5870, probably), and 4 slots for DDR2 800Mhz ram. FSB must be 1066Mhz or higher.
Must be available in the UK.


Now, as for the second option, I have already been recommended the following:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172755
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180490
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173537

377.14 pounds total.

If anyone thinks they know of a better motherboard for a similar or lower price, please let me know.

Otherwise, what I'd like to know is this.

Should I go for the upgrade, or should I just replace my motherboard with something roughly equivalent? I'm not sure how much games these days require a more powerful processor or DDR3 ram.

I'd like advice on whether or not a quad core processor is really any use for gaming yet. And just generally if the upgrade is worth that price. I can afford it, I just don't like the idea of wasting money. I won't get much for selling the old processor and ram on ebay.
March 6, 2010 12:37:01 PM

Uhoh. I just discovered some unwelcome information which might change things...

Apparantly the Core i5 will only let me run x8-x8 crossfire?

I wanted to use twin HD5870 cards some day (one at first).

Should I go for a Core i7 920 instead? It's quite a bit more expensive but I could get a whole bundle including an x58 motherboard and 6GB of ram for about £500. GPU would be seperate.
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March 6, 2010 1:01:24 PM

What exactly happened to you board that you think it got damaged? Depending on your budget you should look at an AMD phenom II x4 system the phenom II keeps up with the I7 in gamring for a hell of alot less money the I7 isn't all that great for gameing a good Phenom II system will hold its own against an I7. Then with the money saved get your dual 5870. A nice board for the AMD and supports x16 x16 is the ASUS crosshair III.
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March 6, 2010 1:13:05 PM

Hm. I'll have a look at that. Thanks.

What happened to the board was that a pc repair guy stuck a pci-e power connector up the wrong hole. Specifically the EPS12V socket.

Presumably that caused a short.

Anyway, my graphics card was totally screwed afterwards. Kept resetting the system or causing freezes.

Replacing with a different and fully functional graphics card (8800GT replacing 8800GTX) improved matters, but didn't fix the system entirely. Previously the freezes were just while opening documents in Windows, and very occasionally in the bios or safe mode.
Now the freezing and resets only occurs when I either try to play a game or play a video.

What the problem is is rather mysterious. Supposedly all my components passed testing with some software called "PC check". Since it only has a problem when I do things that involve graphics, I'm thinking it's something related to the PCI-e slot or something that involves communication with the graphics card.

If you have any better ideas, let me know. I tried opening a 500mb rar file to see if the cpu would crash during that, but it was fine. Surely there's no need to test the ram again if PC check said it was ok.

Anyway, anyone else have a point of view about the processor?

Do I even need a better one yet?
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March 6, 2010 1:29:01 PM

Wekk i use my E8200 which is also a dula core i have it overclocked to 3.8 ghz and it will run everything i play no problems. Most games out only take advantage of 2 cores but most if not all games will start useinf quad cores to there full potential so with that being said you would prob be fine with that processor for another year but if you have to replace motherboard there is no sence of staying with a socket 775 you might as well go with a newer system eithier the I5 or a Phenom II. Now if you are really tight on cash and you sure a new motherboard will fix your proble you could replace it with this to get you by til you get enough cash for a real upgrade.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191052

This will be a good board for time being and will overclock your older 65nm duo to atleast 3.4ghz no problem which will greatly improve your gaming experience.
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March 6, 2010 1:34:51 PM

saaiello said:
What exactly happened to you board that you think it got damaged? Depending on your budget you should look at an AMD phenom II x4 system the phenom II keeps up with the I7 in gamring for a hell of alot less money the I7 isn't all that great for gameing a good Phenom II system will hold its own against an I7. Then with the money saved get your dual 5870. A nice board for the AMD and supports x16 x16 is the ASUS crosshair III.



+1 to that

There is a very good amd mobo that supports x16/x16 like this one:

MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

add PII X4 955 to that, some DDR3 mem. and a nice HD 5870 and you'll have a flawless gaming rig:) 
March 6, 2010 2:50:34 PM

Well, the MSI motherboard looks good for a Phenom, but the Phenom performs worse than a Core i5 on some benchmarks, and certainly worse than the i7 on most. Worth a thought though. It would allow x16 dual crossfire with no problems, right?

I notice it still sucks for quad crossfire though, since it says for quad, the speeds would be x8, not x16.

The motherboard from ebuyer is a weird one... Socket 775 is the same as mine, but it only supports DDR3 ram? No good, I'm afraid. My ram is DDR2 800Mhz. And why does it only have two ram slots? Seems odd for DDR3.
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March 6, 2010 3:06:44 PM

Well you obviously have your mind made up not sure why you asking us if you dont like what we tell you

Heres a bench mark between a Phenom II x4 965BE and an I5

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=102&p2=10...

Now the phenom holds its own and beats it in a couple things as for the gameing benchs thats for a single card you put an I5 750 next to a Phenom II x4 965BE with dual 5870 the Phenom with its x16 x16 graphics support will tear apart the I5.

Also these benchmarks tend to favor intels better in real world use the AMD might even beat an I5 750

Now for the crosshair II being x8 in quad crossfire mode do you honestly think your gonna do a quad GPU setup i mean cmon not many people have them setups and the ones that do don't even utilize that power.
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March 6, 2010 3:13:43 PM

I just looked around to get a board that supports quad x16 you are gonna pay almost $500 US so is it worth it prob not.

Found this little gem as a replacement board for you to get you by DDR2

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161966
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March 6, 2010 4:17:33 PM

Like Sailleo said you won't need a x16/x16/x16/x16 quad crosfire

And if you wanna x16/x16 on Intel platform you HAVE to go with X58 and Core i7 and tripple DDR3 will cost you like hell if compared to phenom II x4 955/ dual DDR3/ X16/X16 Xfire

I suggest going for AMD
March 6, 2010 6:22:57 PM

Nah, I'm probably never going to even attempt quad crossfire. I just found it strange how they were trying to claim the board is capable of it when in actual fact you'd have trouble doing it with newer gpus. Then again I always thought quad crossfire was a huge waste of money for very little performance gain anyway.

Yeah, the AMD system sounds good for saving some cash... Hmm. I'll think about it. Money isn't in short supply, but then again I don't have a job right now. Might be best to go for that.

Or possibly to wait a while for the upgrade.

What's rather annoying at the moment is I can't seem to find an SKT-775 motherboard that supports all my ram sticks. That one you just linked to seems good in every way but one. It only has two ram slots. I have 4 ram sticks. I'd end up using only 2GB of my 4GB of ram.

Do you know of one with 4 slots? It could cost a little more as I may be able to get the guy who damaged the old motherboard to buy the new one.
March 6, 2010 6:31:45 PM

Hey, I think I may have found the source of my confusion. You said an AMD Phenom II X4. But there's more then one of those! I probably saw a benchmark for the wrong one.

Which did you mean?
There seem to be three on here alone.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-x4-965,2389-...

The 965 O/C 3.8Ghz
The 965 BE 3.4Ghz
The 965 BE 3.2 Ghz.

Or is the top one just the one below it overclocked? I don't really know my way around AMD processor types.
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March 6, 2010 6:42:00 PM

The top one is just the 965 overclocked which is quite easy to achieve anyone can do it with a 15 min read of a overclocking guide. As you see in those benchs the AMD beats the I7 in a few of those and is not far behind in the others. The only real advantage the I7 has is the triple channel Ram which does not yield that much extra performance. So IMO for a gaming rig AMD is the way to go rite now until games really start takeing advantage of useing the 8 threads an I7 has its a waist of money at the moment for a gaming rig.


Found this Gigabyte MoBo i used to have this one its a decent board and it will allow a good overclock of your present CPU.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/165987
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March 6, 2010 6:45:44 PM

The top one is just the one below it overclocked.
And x8 slots are only a 2%-4% performance difference vs x16 slots. Not much of a loss.
March 6, 2010 6:53:20 PM

For most games a good AMD CPU will be about equal to a Core i7. Very few games can take advantage of a Core i7 at this point in time so AMD is a good choice to save your hard earned cash.
March 6, 2010 7:04:20 PM

Hey guys, I just found a bundle deal on ebuyer

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/196584

•AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 125W Processor and Cooling fan
•Asus M4A79XTD EVO AM3 Motherboard
•GEIL 4GB DDR3 1333 CL7 Black Dragon Memory
•Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
•Colin Mcrae Dirt 2

I was thinking of getting windows 7 so this might be a good deal...

What do you think of the price? And the motherboard and ram, for that matter?

And I just saved that Gigabyte motherboard to my favourites list. That's exactly what I was looking for if I stay with this system for now! Nice one.
March 6, 2010 7:05:54 PM

Oh goddamit, ok, forget that, that motherboard is useless. Apparantly if I use one PCI-e 2.0 slot as x16, the other is x0.

I need one with two slots at x16 and x16. Any suggestions?
March 6, 2010 7:06:54 PM

Sorry, I meant the motherboard in the bundle I just found. The other one is great.

By the way, why can't I edit my messages? It's quite annoying.
March 6, 2010 7:21:22 PM

Aha, built in X-fi? My friend has an X-fi card and it's giving him serious problems with sound in windows 7. Any idea if that would be the case with a built in one?
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March 6, 2010 7:23:03 PM

No i have an X-fi extreme gamer and i have no problems with it i run Win 7 64bit
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March 6, 2010 7:24:32 PM

The Crosshair III motherboard is the best of the best you can not beat what it has to offer
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March 6, 2010 7:26:53 PM

Fyi the difference between an 8x and 16x slot for a 5870 is around 2% and sometimes nothing.

Tbh i5 is the better route if you can afford it. You'll bottleneck a phenom ii before reaching 16x let alone 8. :p 

I paid $250 for my lga755 16x/16x and I'm wishing I didnt with how well 8x/8x is holding up.
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March 6, 2010 7:34:39 PM

Raidur said:
Fyi the difference between an 8x and 16x slot for a 5870 is around 2% and sometimes nothing.

Tbh i5 is the better route if you can afford it. You'll bottleneck a phenom ii before reaching 16x let alone 8. :p 

I paid $250 for my lga755 16x/16x and I'm wishing I didnt with how well 8x/8x is holding up.


he is right x8 is only a cple percent difference in performance. I love intel and all but the price you pay for an I5 rig just dosent make sence to me for a gameing rig and as for bottlenecking dual 5870 i highly doubt that. The 965BE will OC to 3.8 4 ghz without missing a beat and will noway bottleneck dual 5870s on the crosshair III board i just posted.
And with AMDs 6 core comeing out soon which will drop right into this board it will smack the crap out of an I5.
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March 6, 2010 7:44:41 PM

Oh I wasn't saying Phenom II would be bottlenecked by 2 5870s, especially when OCed that chip can take them.

I was saying that the Phenom II would be bottlenecked before the time the 16x bandwidth itself is bottlenecked.

The thing about 6 cores is... games are barely using 4 cores (even then dual cores keep up) and quads have been out for quite some time now.

If it was me and I had the budget I'd go i7 and get the whole pie.

AMD is still a good choice if BD drops in to those.
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March 6, 2010 7:52:06 PM

Well I 7s are nice but the cost is not when AMDs Start really competing with the I7 and cost come down hell yea grab one up but 3 400 for a CPU i think not.
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March 6, 2010 7:58:08 PM

AMD is an outstanding deal but i7 will last better until the next lineup of CPUs come out IMO making it worth the premium.

Once you OC past 3ghz the i7/i5 scream. Hell i7 needs very little ]~2.4ghz?] to not bottleneck a 5970 @ 25x16.

AMD is great, don't get me wrong, and is obviously the best choice for most gamers on a tight budget. I'm just sticking up for his first choice (intel) is all. :) 
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March 6, 2010 8:24:47 PM

OP: Here is a link showing what I mean about the 8x slots. Even 4x doesn't see "too" much of a drop (5%). Meaning even an OCed 5970 would likely not be bottlenecked more than 5% on an 8x slot. Intel would have really flopped making the 1156 majority 8x8x, but they aren't stupid. ;) 

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Expr...

And pci 3.0 is on the way... and we barely use up 1.0 (8x 2.0)...
March 6, 2010 8:28:44 PM

Use the i5 here is why:

x8 x8 is only a 4% decrease in FPS to the x16 x16 (to be honest the 5870 doesnt even hit the bandwidth limit on pci-e 2.0 x8)

MUCH much cheaper than the i7 setup, and is honestly not that much slower in gaming (the only games that the i7 will hands down beat the i5 in is games that incorperate hyperthreading, and there are not really that many)

Better than the AMD setup, as benchmarks suggest (however if you are really wanting to save money for still really good gaming this will be the cheapest)

the i5 OC's just as well as the i7(920)

the i5 uses a lot less power

Now that the pros and cons are out of the way. i recommend this.

i5-750 $199
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS P7P55D-E PRO $189
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GeIL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 $121
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec 900 $79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

you might be able to find some good combos with those products too. all are great. the 5870 is a good choice too.
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March 6, 2010 8:30:17 PM

The OP is in europe so newegg prices mean nothing to him.
March 6, 2010 8:52:49 PM

requiemsallure said:
Use the i5 here is why:

x8 x8 is only a 4% decrease in FPS to the x16 x16 (to be honest the 5870 doesnt even hit the bandwidth limit on pci-e 2.0 x8)

MUCH much cheaper than the i7 setup, and is honestly not that much slower in gaming (the only games that the i7 will hands down beat the i5 in is games that incorperate hyperthreading, and there are not really that many)

Better than the AMD setup, as benchmarks suggest (however if you are really wanting to save money for still really good gaming this will be the cheapest)

the i5 OC's just as well as the i7(920)

the i5 uses a lot less power

Now that the pros and cons are out of the way. i recommend this.

i5-750 $199
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS P7P55D-E PRO $189
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GeIL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 $121
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec 900 $79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

you might be able to find some good combos with those products too. all are great. the 5870 is a good choice too.



not quite the same but simmiler setup since i couldnt find the pro at ebuyer, and i couldn't find the RAM either but there is better RAM

P7P55D-E EVO http://www.ebuyer.com/product/186592
Core i5 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172755
Antec 900 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/118268
March 6, 2010 8:54:23 PM

Unfortunately yes, I'm in the UK.

Newegg has a lot of good stuff, but they absolutely refuse to ship to my location. Very annoying.

Ebuyer.com and amazon.co.uk are the best sources for hardware in the UK as far as I know.

As for that Crosshair III motherboard, how does this one compare?
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/188030
There's really very little difference in price, so I'm just curious.

By the way. the problem with the X-fi was that the sound would sort of... echo. Kind of hang for a moment while still playing onwards. It's a bit hard to describe. Only happened in windows 7 apparantly. I'm not sure what causes it.

I must say I'm quite conflicted now. I've had advice from a lot of people and they've suggested all 3 options! i5, i7, and Phenom II. Someone even suggested an old style Intel quad core, which was odd.

Let's see if I understand things rightly. Let me know I'm I'm wrong.
Here goes:

AMD is cheap with pretty good performance. Does NOT have the Crossfire limiting problem, so x16 x16 is fine with the right motherboard.

Core i5 is cheap with good performance. DOES have a problem with crossfire, so it's not ideal for 5**0 series GPUs. But that's apparantly not too much of a problem. But for the next generation of GPU, maybe it would be?

Core i7 has similar gaming performance to the Core i5. No problem with crossfire at all. Triple channel ram is a bonus but not much use yet. Runs hotter and uses more power than Core i5. Bloody expensive!

Sound about right?

Now, here's an important question. Chances are the 5870 dual crossfired graphics cards will last me for a few years. When I need new graphics cards, I don't want to be buying a new motherboard. Is x16 x16 crossfire likely to be more important within a matter of years?

The same applies to hyperthreading. Is that likely to have any actual impact on gaming within the foreseeable future?

And does a Core i7 920 have any actual DISadvantages compared to the Phenom and Core i5, ignoring the price?

There is of course one more option that I really should consider. I'm not sure if I'd end up saving money in the long run though.

Here it is: Get a Core i5 with motherboard with one PCI-e x16 slot. Get a single HD5970. Internal crossfiring would mean it would be fine with the one slot, and I'd imagine this would let me use a cheaper motherboard.
But the HD5970 is on average £500 to 550 pounds here. And I'd be sacrifing the ability to crossfire other cards.

Argh. This is very hard to make a decision on. I'd like a motherboard to be future proof to an extent, but I really don't know what's coming in a couple of years' time. If I went and got an x58 motherboard and Core i7, I'd feel pretty silly if I had to get a new motherboard after that. Is there any real reason why I would have to?
March 6, 2010 8:58:09 PM

No need for a case, by the way. I see you picked out one of those, requiemsallure.

At least I hope not. I assume all these motherboards should fit just fine into my case?

I'll link you to what I have, just in case.

http://www.aerocool.us/case/V-Touch%20Pro/V-Touch%20Pro...

I had some modifications made to it. I had the hard drive cage removed because it was blocking installation of large graphics cards. I had it replaced with a Thermaltake iCage which fits into the dvd drive bays and holds three hard drives. (Currently have space for one more. Might get a 1TB drive.)
March 6, 2010 9:09:22 PM

to be honest 4% reduction due to 8x 8x is not a pcie bandwidth issue, no card on earth today has yet been able to max out PCI-E 2.0 x8

you could even wait and get the GTX 480 or 470 and they would be ok on x8

at the same time i understand how it is a hard choice to make, esspecially with the new 6 core proc's coming out on the LGA1366

by the way if you do get the i7 don't get the i7-920. it is not as good as the i7-930

the i7-930 is a 2.8 Ghz proc with +1 to its multiplier over the 920, and all for only 6USD more i dont know off of the top of my head what it would be for you.
March 6, 2010 9:15:41 PM

O.o i7-930? I never heard of that before. Is that a new release?

I just looked it up... Huh, so it's about the same price, nearly exactly the same performance... Still, higher clock speed never hurts.

I'll have to see if I can find that being sold over here. Is it on sale yet?
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March 6, 2010 9:23:39 PM

What resolution are you playing on? A single 5870 is more than enough for any game out there on 1920x1200 and under. You could get a single 5870 and then a 2nd later.
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March 6, 2010 9:40:03 PM

OP:

If you go i5 750, then you don't need an extreme motherboard. Here is one that supports SLI and CFX, I use it and it overclocks like a champ, all for a great price:

http://www.comeuro.net/webshop/product.php?productid=63...

As for AM3 vs. P55, it doesn't really matter since the prices and performance are very close.

If you really need to pinch pennies, then an AMD Athlon II X4 620 or Phenom II X4 925 are great values and both will hit 3.6-3.8 GHz.
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March 6, 2010 10:07:14 PM

If you have the funds, go with the i7-930 and 6gb of ram.
There is nothing better out there today, and probably tomorrow.
The i7-930 can easily and safely be overclocked to 975 speeds if that is necessary.

If that does not appeal to you, and value is more of a concern, then you have many choices and tradeoffs.
If you will be gaming at higher resolutions, then the graphics system will be of more importance than the cpu.
A single 5850 will run most games well at 1920 or less. Only if your monitor is 2560 x 1600 should you possibly want a dual card setup. As others have said, X16-X16 vs. X8-X8 is really a non issue. The difference only shows up using multiples of the highest performance cards like the 5970. A very poor value.

To answer your original question, a good dual card @3.0 or better can be effective in many situations. Read the entirety of this article on the i3-530 duo and how well it compares in gaming with several top cpu's including the E8400,X4-965, i5-750 and i7-920.
Look at the gaming benchmarks and not the synthetic benchmarks. At greater than 1024 x 768 the i3-530 shows up decently.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=879&type=expert&pi...
March 6, 2010 10:15:18 PM

Raidur said:
What resolution are you playing on? A single 5870 is more than enough for any game out there on 1920x1200 and under. You could get a single 5870 and then a 2nd later.


That's what I was planning on. One now, one later.

For the record, I have a 22 inch CRT monitor that goes up to 2048x1536 resolution. I will be probably using that resolution, but of course only in the games which won't have unreadably small text at that resolution.
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March 6, 2010 10:20:19 PM

Do your self a favor work in a new 24 inch LCD the difference you will see in gaming is night and day.

Work this into your budget you will thank me for it.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158908
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March 6, 2010 10:21:27 PM

Do your self a favor work in a new 24 inch LCD the difference you will see in gaming is night and day.

Work this into your budget you will thank me for it.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158908

I have 2 of these on my rig i love em.
March 6, 2010 10:42:50 PM

I may be being dense here, but why would an LCD be better? This CRT has an absolutely gorgeous picture. The last LCD monitor (well, ok, LCD TV used as a monitor) I had quite literally exploded. There was a bang and a smell of burning and everything. The (warranty) replacement I got for it, I'm currently using for playing my PS2 on. It's ALSO incredibly hot after a relatively short period of use.
Could just be crappy hardware of course. Technika is not a high quality brand.

Still, what benefit would I get from LCD over CRT?

I'll admit the main reason I'm using this is that I got it for free, but hey, it's an excellent monitor with amazing refresh rates and resolution.

Hmm. The i7 930 can be overclocked to the speed of the 975 extreme?

Interesting. I looked up the processor and found articles claiming it overclocks worse than the original 920. Is that not true then?
March 6, 2010 10:47:30 PM

did you know CRT's emit radiation?

as far as the i7-930 people probably just haven't had time to play with it too much its pretty new.

the i5 can be overclocked to 4.6 ive seen as high as 5.0, but only one instance and only on LN.
March 6, 2010 10:51:25 PM

Huh, interesting. The 930 is at least £30 more than a 920 over here. I wonder why the difference is more.

Well of course CRTs emit radiation. But then again so do mobile phones and I bet you're happy to use one of those. And that's directly into your brain pretty much.

There's no denying the Core i5 is an impressive overclocker. At the moment what I'm thinking about is what motherboard/cpu type would allow for future cpu upgrades, and whether hyperthreading is EVER going to actually be useful in games.
March 6, 2010 10:58:40 PM

For future upgrades i would like to say probably the LGA1366 Socket motherboards would be best since the Hex cores are coming out on those.

The main difference you would see if you got a nice LCD is, MUCH better color and better clarity.

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March 6, 2010 11:00:34 PM

dennisresevfan said:
I may be being dense here, but why would an LCD be better? This CRT has an absolutely gorgeous picture. The last LCD monitor (well, ok, LCD TV used as a monitor) I had quite literally exploded. There was a bang and a smell of burning and everything. The (warranty) replacement I got for it, I'm currently using for playing my PS2 on. It's ALSO incredibly hot after a relatively short period of use.
Could just be crappy hardware of course. Technika is not a high quality brand.

Still, what benefit would I get from LCD over CRT?

I'll admit the main reason I'm using this is that I got it for free, but hey, it's an excellent monitor with amazing refresh rates and resolution.

Hmm. The i7 930 can be overclocked to the speed of the 975 extreme?

Interesting. I looked up the processor and found articles claiming it overclocks worse than the original 920. Is that not true then?


If you just change the BCLK from 133 to 160 without any voltage changes, you will go from 2.8 to 3.3. Get any decent cpu cooler.
It will keep your temps down. Overclocking success over 4.0 is often possible but really not necessary.

A good CRT can refresh at higher hz than a LCD, and it needs to to keep from giving a shimmering image. I originally had two IBM P275 21" monitors. I thought they were great. Then I got a Samsung 244T LCD and when they were both side by side, the difference in image clarity was so compelling that I abandoned the CRT for a second 244T. The LCD takes less desk space and probably runs cooler. For fast action gaming, There is a good case for a fast CRT.
March 6, 2010 11:05:21 PM

Suprisingly, my CRT seems to run very much cooler than my LCD tv... They both have 22 inch screen size. The CRT feels warm to the touch on the vents. the LCD feels HOT to the touch after any length of use.

The LCD has full HD resolution, so if I felt the need I could use that as a monitor. I had thought of using both side by side, but I don't have a big enough desk surface at the moment.

Care to suggest a suitable cooler for the 930? Preferably something I can get from ebuyer or amazon.co.uk. I noticed a lot of the available coolers have almost identical performance so I'm really not sure what to choose. Bear my case in mind! Shouldn't be too lacking on space in there, but still, best to be careful.
March 6, 2010 11:16:10 PM

Prolimatech Megahalems is one of the best heatsinks you can get :) 
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