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December 28, 2009 5:22:52 AM

Hey guys, I saw the game Dirt2 coming out with DirectX 11?

That means, I need a card that supports DirectX 11?

Then which is the cheapest with that feature supported?

I am looking at nVidia more... so.. yea

Thanks!

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a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2009 5:32:46 AM

No, you don't "need" a card that supports DX11. You can run Dirt2 with DX9 and DX10 cards as well. DX11 doesn't offer any particular graphical improvements over DX10 at the moment since it's still immature.

At the moment, only ATI has DX11 cards - the 5x00 series. ie. 5750, 5770, 5850, 5870, 5970...
Nvidia doesn't have DX11 cards, and won't have any until at least March 2010 when Fermi is released.
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December 28, 2009 5:39:51 AM

OH... okay, that's cool, thanks man!

Oh and, I have limited budget, so I'm looking at the GTS250, do you think that would be decent enough to play games like Burnout Paradise... Crysis... Need for Speed Shift?

And will it be decent enough to hold through the next 2-3years?

Thanks
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a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2009 5:55:06 AM

It depends on your resolution, but if you really want DX11 you could go for a 5750 or 5770 for about $40 or so more. I would tell you to buy a 4850 or 4870, but recently the prices have risen due to the limited stock. If you really like nvidia and have to stick to your budget, which is about $110 I'm guessing then it's a fine card in terms of its price/performance ratio, but if you are willing to part with a bit more money then you could go for a gtx 260 for a boost in performance.
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December 28, 2009 5:58:44 AM

anonymousdude said:
It depends on your resolution, but if you really want DX11 you could go for a 5750 or 5770 for about $40 or so more. I would tell you to buy a 4850 or 4870, but recently the prices have risen due to the limited stock. If you really like nvidia and have to stick to your budget, which is about $110 I'm guessing then it's a fine card in terms of its price/performance ratio, but if you are willing to part with a bit more money then you could go for a gtx 260 for a boost in performance.



Thanks for the advice! Much appreciated!!!!!!!
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a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2009 6:01:05 AM

If you tell us your resolution then we may be able to actually save you money
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December 28, 2009 6:43:16 AM

anonymousdude said:
If you tell us your resolution then we may be able to actually save you money


You mean the max resolution of the graphics card? My monitor's resolution? Or the resolution I'm aiming for?
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a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2009 6:59:16 AM

The resolution that you usually play your games with. It's usually your monitor's native (maximum) resolution.
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December 28, 2009 8:10:47 AM

skolpo said:
The resolution that you usually play your games with. It's usually your monitor's native (maximum) resolution.


I'm preparing for my new gaming rig, but the display I'll buy will probably be the ASUS MK221H, which it's resolution, is WSXGA+ 1680x1050

With that mentioned, what does WSXGA mean? I heard of HDMI, but I don't know what is WSXGA... :S

Thanks
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a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2009 9:05:56 AM

WSGXA+ is a display standard at 1680x1050 resolution. HDMI is an interface that transfers digital data. They're not the same. Don't worry about the display standard. The monitor you're planning to buy has an HDMI port in case you're wondering.

With the resolution you're planning to use, an HD57050 or HD5770 are good choices to run most of the games you want to play at almost the highest settings. If you want to play future DX11 games, then go for the new ATI cards. nVidia has yet to release any DX11 cards.
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December 28, 2009 9:07:39 AM

skolpo said:
WSGXA+ is a display standard at 1680x1050 resolution. HDMI is an interface that transfers digital data. They're not the same. Don't worry about the display standard. The monitor you're planning to buy has an HDMI port in case you're wondering.

With the resolution you're planning to use, an HD57050 or HD5770 are good choices to run most of the games you want to play at almost the highest settings. If you want to play future DX11 games, then go for the new ATI cards. nVidia has yet to release any DX11 cards.



SO... nVidia does no good?

Oh and, the ASUS VK222H and the MK221H, which one's better?

I'm researching these days, but don't have much knowledge in LCD monitors, thanks for the advice!
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a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2009 9:20:40 AM

If you want to use DX11, nVidia has yet to release any cards that supports DX11. It doesn't mean the nVidia cards out now won't be able to play games such as Dirt 2 since Dirt 2 still supports DX9/10. DX9/10 is going to be the standard for a longer while as DX11 is still in its early stages. If you look at Dirt 2 screenshots showing the difference between DX9 and DX11, you'll be hard pressed to see almost any difference. But to "future-proof," ATI is the only company offering DX11 support, so the better choice is getting an HD5x00 card. For your budget, HD5750 or HD5770 are good choices like stated above.

EDIT: The monitors are pretty much the same. The only notable difference is that the MK221H model has a USB 2.0 port that is dedicated for webcam use.
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December 28, 2009 9:22:27 AM

skolpo said:
If you want to use DX11, nVidia has yet to release any cards that supports DX11. It doesn't mean the nVidia cards out now won't be able to play games such as Dirt 2 since Dirt 2 still supports DX9/10. DX9/10 is going to be the standard for a longer while as DX11 is still in its early stages. If you look at Dirt 2 screenshots showing the difference between DX9 and DX11, you'll be hard pressed to see almost any difference. But to "future-proof," ATI is the only company offering DX11 support, so the better choice is getting an HD5x00 card. For your budget, HD5750 or HD5770 are good choices like stated above.


Okay then, I'll look into more ATI cards these days, thanks a lot!
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a b Î Nvidia
December 28, 2009 9:24:14 AM

If you want something that will last 2-3 years as you say you will want DX11 imo. Nvidia doesn't offer any DX11 cards so you would have to wait a few months to see what they release if you really need to stick to that brand. Also a card like the GTS 250 or HD5750 will be good for your resolution for now and for a while but likely not nearly for the time frame you are talking about. I would recommend an HD5770. It's a good card for resolutions higher than yours right now so it will likely do well at your resolution for a good long while into the future. You can find one these days for $150-155.
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December 28, 2009 9:26:11 AM

jyjjy said:
If you want something that will last 2-3 years as you say you will want DX11 imo. Nvidia doesn't offer any DX11 cards so you would have to wait a few months to see what they release if you really need to stick to that brand. Also a card like the GTS 250 or HD5750 will be good for your resolution for now and for a while but likely not nearly for the time frame you are talking about. I would recommend an HD5770. It's a good card for resolutions higher than yours right now so it will likely do well at your resolution for a good long while into the future. You can find one these days for $150-155.


Okie Dokey~ Thanks for replying!
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December 28, 2009 9:32:35 AM

jyjjy said:
This would be a good choice if you do go for the HD5770;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Use the promo code EMCMNNT82 to make it $153 with free shipping.


Thanks for taking the time and looking up the product for me, but unfortunately I am located at Thailand...

sad :( 
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December 28, 2009 9:35:50 AM

Oh and, for people who sees this, I need suggestions on graphic cards that are about $150.00, somewhere near that price is OK

Thanks!
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a b Î Nvidia
December 28, 2009 9:36:10 AM

Ah, yeah, you are on your own then for finding a good deal. If your motherboard is crossfire capable then an HD5750 could be a good choice as well. It would do well at your resolution for now and you could add another later on for performance similar to an HD5850.
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December 28, 2009 9:37:32 AM

jyjjy said:
Ah, yeah, you are on your own then for finding a good deal. If your motherboard is crossfire capable then an HD5750 could be a good choice as well. It would do well at your resolution for now and you could add another later on for performance similar to an HD5850.


Hold on...

You can do CrossFire with 2 different cards? I thought it has to be the same cards? like 5750 with 5750?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
December 28, 2009 9:42:23 AM

ATI actually lets you crossfire different cards of the same series. That isn't actually what I was suggesting though. I meant one HD5750 now and add another later(if your motherboard allows for crossfire.) The performance of 2 HD5750s in crossfire will be similar to a single HD5850 is what I was saying.
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a c 125 U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
December 28, 2009 9:45:34 AM

Technically you can crossfire a HD5770 + HD5750 as their both in the same series E.G 57xx series. But it would be completely pointless as the HD5770 would under-clock itself to the HD5750's clocks, So you'd end up with basically 2 x HD5750's, but would have payed extra for the HD5770.

I think what jyjjy is saying is you could buy a HD5750 now and in the future you could add another HD5750 for better performance, (providing your motherboard supports crossfire and you have a PSU with enough power).
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December 28, 2009 10:12:00 AM

ATI Radeon 5770 has 1G of DDR5

And nVidia GeForce GTX260 has 1G of DDR3

Does that make a lot of difference? DDR5 and DDR3?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
December 28, 2009 10:28:22 AM

Not in this case. DDR5 is definitely faster but the GTX 260 has a wider memory bus which makes up the difference in terms of actual bandwidth. The two cards offer similar performance overall but the HD5770 is better in terms of features, namely DX11, 3 monitor support and much greater power efficiency.
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December 28, 2009 10:29:28 AM

jyjjy said:
Not in this case. DDR5 is definitely faster but the GTX 260 has a wider memory bus which makes up the difference in terms of actual bandwidth. The two cards offer similar performance overall but the HD5770 is better in terms of features, namely DX11, 3 monitor support and much greater power efficiency.


Okay! Thanks!!!!!!
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December 28, 2009 10:45:05 AM

alexcheng said:
OH... okay, that's cool, thanks man!

Oh and, I have limited budget, so I'm looking at the GTS250, do you think that would be decent enough to play games like Burnout Paradise... Crysis... Need for Speed Shift?

And will it be decent enough to hold through the next 2-3years?

Thanks

Try to pick something else as GTS250 is just rebranded 9800GTX which is rebranded 8800 GT , way for nvidia to try fool customers that they selling something new.
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December 28, 2009 11:08:19 AM

xrodney said:
Try to pick something else as GTS250 is just rebranded 9800GTX which is rebranded 8800 GT , way for nvidia to try fool customers that they selling something new.


Dammit, really?

Well, I guess I'm going to look into more ATIs now

Thanks for all the information guys!
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December 28, 2009 11:18:36 AM

Yeah really:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series

Nvidia is famous with all that rebranding BS.

I was long fan of Nvidia but since Ati released 4xxx line and started really work hard on fixing drivers I am getting less problems with Ati then i ever did have with Nvidia.
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December 28, 2009 11:25:06 AM

xrodney said:
Yeah really:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series

Nvidia is famous with all that rebranding BS.

I was long fan of Nvidia but since Ati released 4xxx line and started really work hard on fixing drivers I am getting less problems with Ati then i ever did have with Nvidia.



Thanks man, I was about to hop into the same trap, thanks a lot on informing...

Now I'm gonna looking into the 5000 series, and see which one's better for the price!

Thanks for taking the time and reply!
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a b Î Nvidia
December 28, 2009 11:40:23 AM

He actually left out one step. First it was the 8800 GTS 512mb which became the 9800 GTX after a pcb redesign. A die shrink turned that card into the 9800 GTX+ which became the GTS 250 after another board redesign.
That said it's still a decent card for its price which is more than can be said for the higher end Nvidia cards.
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December 28, 2009 11:43:03 AM

jyjjy said:
He actually left out one step. First it was the 8800 GTS 512mb which became the 9800 GTX after a pcb redesign. A die shrink turned that card into the 9800 GTX+ which became the GTS 250 after another board redesign.
That said it's still a decent card for its price which is more than can be said for the higher end Nvidia cards.


So comparing the GTS260 and the 5770, I would wanna get the 5770, right?
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December 28, 2009 11:45:40 AM

Yeah, I would. I covered the differences earlier;
"The two cards offer similar performance overall but the HD5770 is better in terms of features, namely DX11, 3 monitor support and much greater power efficiency."

Here at least the HD5770 is usually a bit cheaper as well.
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December 28, 2009 11:48:32 AM

jyjjy said:
Yeah, I would. I covered the differences earlier;
"The two cards offer similar performance overall but the HD5770 is better in terms of features, namely DX11, 3 monitor support and much greater power efficiency."

Here at least the HD5770 is usually a bit cheaper as well.


Okie Dokey! Thanks for all the help guys! I've finally made a decision in between ATI and nVidia. Thanks man!!!!!!!
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