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ATI Radeon 5750 <-> nVidia GTS250

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December 29, 2009 8:22:30 AM

Hey guys, I'm comparing the ATI 5750 and the nVidia GTS250. They are priced at about the same level, and I assume they're probably cards from the same level too?

So, if you guys own any one of these cards, feel free to post any screenshots of benchmarks or leave any message about it's spec and your opinion. Any help will be much appreciated!!!!!!!

I've heard about the GTS250 being the rebrand of 9800GTS, and the 9800GTS being the rebrand of 8800GT, but I still think that it'll still be a pretty decent card.

So anyways, feel free to post~ =D


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December 29, 2009 8:37:52 AM

The GTS250 is a hair faster in most games. Not so much faster you should pay extra for it though. If they are the same price, its safe to get it.

The GTS250 is the 9800GTX. There is no 9800GTS. The 9800GTX is just an overclocked 8800GTS 512MB. These cards all have the full 128 shaders enabled on it. The 9800GT is the 8800GT. These cards have 112 shaders enabled. The only real difference is that the 9800GT supports tri SLI.

The biggest difference between the cards your looking at is that the GTS250 is faster, but the 5750 is newer. As such the 5750 supports DX11 over the GTS250s DX10. The 5750 also supports Eyefinity, though as a slower card don't count on using it much. The GTS250 does support PhysX, though not all games use it. I think the real question you need to answer is do you want the slightly faster card (GTS250) or the DX11 one? (5750)
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December 29, 2009 8:49:44 AM

4745454b said:
The GTS250 is a hair faster in most games. Not so much faster you should pay extra for it though. If they are the same price, its safe to get it.

The GTS250 is the 9800GTX. There is no 9800GTS. The 9800GTX is just an overclocked 8800GTS 512MB. These cards all have the full 128 shaders enabled on it. The 9800GT is the 8800GT. These cards have 112 shaders enabled. The only real difference is that the 9800GT supports tri SLI.

The biggest difference between the cards your looking at is that the GTS250 is faster, but the 5750 is newer. As such the 5750 supports DX11 over the GTS250s DX10. The 5750 also supports Eyefinity, though as a slower card don't count on using it much. The GTS250 does support PhysX, though not all games use it. I think the real question you need to answer is do you want the slightly faster card (GTS250) or the DX11 one? (5750)


Sorry on the "GTS" thingy, forgive my stupidy xDDD

Okay, about the GTS250 and 5770, I did realize that the 5770 supports DirectX 11 and I did realize too that the GTS250 is faster. But, do you think that there will be a possibility that the GTS250 will come out with DirectX 11 supported in the future? Before June of the year 2010? Because I'm preparing for the Gaming Rig I'll be buying as a gift from my mom, and I thought there'd be a possibility that GTS250 will be supporting DirectX 11...

The next question, if the GTS250 did supported DirectX 11, will it be better than the 5770?

Thanks for answering!
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December 29, 2009 9:00:03 AM

Not a chance. The chip in the GTS250 is the G92, which supports DX10 only. It doesn't even support DX10.1 like AMDs 4xxx line up. The odds are pretty good that you won't run into a DX11 only video game for quite some time.

Your mom games? (is she single? JOKE!) Depending on your moms upgrade habits or gaming needs she still might be better off with one or the other. Long upgrade cycles says to get the 5750, while if she games as hard as some of us around here she needs the extra speed the GTS250 can bring. If gaming means playing on popcap, get whichever is cheaper. (and get a cheaper card period.)
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December 29, 2009 9:03:11 AM

4745454b said:
Not a chance. The chip in the GTS250 is the G92, which supports DX10 only. It doesn't even support DX10.1 like AMDs 4xxx line up. The odds are pretty good that you won't run into a DX11 only video game for quite some time.

Your mom games? (is she single? JOKE!) Depending on your moms upgrade habits or gaming needs she still might be better off with one or the other. Long upgrade cycles says to get the 5750, while if she games as hard as some of us around here she needs the extra speed the GTS250 can bring. If gaming means playing on popcap, get whichever is cheaper. (and get a cheaper card period.)



Hah! Bro, you got it wrong...

"A gift FROM ("FROM"!!!!!!) my mom"

Hahaa! Okay, so there's no chance that the GTS250 will be supporting, then looks like I'm gonna get the ASUS EAH5770 Formula (The one with the cool design, the one that cools off better)

Thanks for your time and help!!!!!!!
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December 29, 2009 9:10:22 AM

Where did you see the 250 being faster than the 5750? Here on THG?

Check this out, the 5750 is a lot faster than the 250 and it's pretty hard to argue against this kind of evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7J347UQJ5o

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December 29, 2009 9:14:03 AM

jennyh said:
Where did you see the 250 being faster than the 5750? Here on THG?

Check this out, the 5750 is a lot faster than the 250 and it's pretty hard to argue against this kind of evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7J347UQJ5o


I meant higher bus speed? That's what I got from another question I posted about DirectX 11 supports...

I'm kinda noob in these stuff, I mean I understand most MAJOR stuffs, but the little details I don't really know

I'm willing to learn, though, might be cool if you'd offer me some good websites about these things ^^

But thanks again for your reply!
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December 29, 2009 9:16:23 AM

they're pretty equal with the edge going towards the 5750.

the gts250's power consumption is almost equivalent to a gtx260/4870.
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December 29, 2009 9:17:17 AM

No I was asking 4745 Alex.

There seems to be this misconception that the 250 is faster than the 5750. It's not..it might have been faster with the initial beta drivers but now it's quite a bit slower and will probably just keep falling further behind.
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December 29, 2009 9:20:14 AM

jennyh said:
No I was asking 4745 Alex.

There seems to be this misconception that the 250 is faster than the 5750. It's not..it might have been faster with the initial beta drivers but now it's quite a bit slower and will probably just keep falling further behind.


Sorry but I'm not quite following you...?

4745? I thought you asked me where I saw that GTS250 was faster than 5750?

**Edit** I get it, that person's name is 4745... xD
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December 29, 2009 9:23:59 AM

I meant the poster :p 

4745454b is saying the gts250 is faster than the 5750 and I am disagreeing with him.
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December 29, 2009 9:26:48 AM

jennyh said:
I meant the poster :p 

4745454b is saying the gts250 is faster than the 5750 and I am disagreeing with him.


Okay, anyways I'm kinda losing the faith in nVidia now, because I've heard a lot of nVidia's negative side...
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December 29, 2009 9:31:23 AM

Nearly any review on hardocp shows this to be true. The only review where I've seen the 5750 truly keep up is the Dirt2 review. Other then that the usually go down like this one.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/11/30/borderlands_g...

Notice the the GTS250 has more options turned on/higher, and it still gets more FPS. There are many more like this.
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December 29, 2009 9:33:04 AM

4745454b said:
Nearly any review on hardocp shows this to be true. The only review where I've seen the 5750 truly keep up is the Dirt2 review. Other then that the usually go down like this one.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/11/30/borderlands_g...

Notice the the GTS250 has more options turned on/higher, and it still gets more FPS. There are many more like this.


He does make a point here....
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December 29, 2009 9:34:27 AM

The 5770 does a much better job keeping up with the GTS250. Its priced a bit more, but considering what you get its a good deal.
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December 29, 2009 9:36:52 AM

^ radeons never liked games sporting unreal3.
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December 29, 2009 9:38:04 AM

It's more like both cards have better games. It's always been this way when the cards are so similarly powered like with the 4870 and 260 etc.
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December 29, 2009 10:25:24 AM

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The ATI 5750 is faster than the GTS 250, however not by much, I would they are practically equivalent. However the ATI 5750 is the better deal as it supports DX11 whilst still packing the same performance.

Also let me clear up the rebranding because its a misconception. The 8800 GT is a rebranded 9800 GT. The 9800 GTX is a slightly different card as it has an increased pixel shader unit count, the 9800 GTX+ has an increased shader count and an increased memory/clock speed. The GTS 250 is similar to the 9800 GTX+ with a die shrink from 65nm to 55nm and has a tweaked memory latency so its performance is slightly better.

If you are unsure about the performance read the chart below:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_5750_PCS/images/perfrel.gif


Okay, thanks!
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December 29, 2009 1:41:43 PM

5750>GTS250, there are a few games where this is not the case, like Borderlands, which is notoriously one-sided, but overall the 5750 is faster, and uses less power and has more features, so it's a pretty easy choice, unless you restrict yourself to playing one of the few games that the GTS250 outperforms.
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December 29, 2009 8:31:30 PM

LOL, how many UT3 based games can there be? I'm happy to see the chart that BDD supplied, though I have to wonder how many "odd" games are in there. (games that are so lopsided they make the 5750 show as stronger then what it really is.) It makes sense that they are close. The 5770 is supposed to replace the 4870/90, while the 5750 is supposed to replace the 4850. Given that the 4850 ~ GTS250, the 5750 and GTS250 should be around the same performance wise. Seeing as the 57xx cards are a bit slower then the 48xx cards I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 5750 was a hair slower. At least until the drivers are worked out.
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December 30, 2009 9:20:14 AM

LOL, how many UT3 based games can there be? said:
LOL, how many UT3 based games can there be?


a lot. most of em has the TWIMTBP sticker on it like borderlands. trendwise, unreal3 never played good (benchmarks) with radeons, from bioshock to borderlands.

I'm happy to see the chart that BDD supplied, though I have to wonder how many "odd" games are in there. said:
I'm happy to see the chart that BDD supplied, though I have to wonder how many "odd" games are in there.


no last-remnant-like game in there.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_5750_PCS/5.html
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December 30, 2009 9:36:27 AM

If i recall even the initial reviews placed the HD5750 as slightly faster than the HD4850/GTS 250. With more mature drives I'm sure that has only increased. On top it has DX11, eyefinity and fantastic power efficiency. It's no contest imo. The higher price is its only drawback in comparing with a GTS 250.
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December 30, 2009 9:37:41 AM

Oh yeah, also the HD5770 is easily worth the extra money over an HD5750 imo.
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December 30, 2009 9:42:25 AM

But HD 57xx is a 128bit card, Buying a 128card ,Just for dx11 and a triple monitor support?
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December 30, 2009 9:46:57 AM

i had a 256bit hd4870 and i bought a 128bit 5750 and it's working so good and i even can say better!
my win7 gives 7.3 score from 1.0 to 7.9 to my card.
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December 30, 2009 9:54:45 AM

hd5750 have 128bit on DDR5 giving it 73,6GB/s bandwith
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GTS250 using 256bit on DDR3 and offering 70.4GB/s

I dont see problem there :) 
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December 30, 2009 9:55:00 AM

Aneesh@4GHz said:
But HD 57xx is a 128bit card, Buying a 128card ,Just for dx11 and a triple monitor support?

The HD5750 is 128 bit but it also uses DDR5 ram while the GTS 250 is 256 bit but uses DDR3. Neither bus width nor ram speed matter individually, what matters is how much actual memory bandwidth they combine for. DDR5/128 bit is very slightly superior so the 128 bit bus should have absolutely no significance when comparing those 2 cards.
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December 30, 2009 10:49:36 AM

See xrodney's post. I read that and was so happy I would have kissed him if he were next to me. The number of bits per clock cycle and number of clock cycles matter just as much as the bus width. People need to stop saying the 57xx cards are junk because they have a 128bit memory bus.

Wh3resmycar, I was trying to use sarcasm when I was talking about the number of UT3 based games. As with every version of the unreal engine, its always pimped out to other game devs.
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December 30, 2009 10:59:28 AM

I was 15 seconds later, I don't get any sweet make out action? :p 
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December 30, 2009 2:11:02 PM

So basically if cost is negligible, and the performance edge goes to either depending on the game... go with the 5750 or 5770 b/c of DX11 support, which will be more useful in the future.
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December 30, 2009 3:49:07 PM

Sorry, you didn't show how the 128bit card actually has more bandwidth then the 256bit card.

If the 5750 is just a bit faster then the GTS250 like the chart showed, the 5770 would be quite a bit faster. (just behind the GTX260) If the 5750 and the GTS250 where you live are basically the same price, I would get the 5750. DX11 will pay off in the long term. Exceptions to this are if you love playing games that support PhysX, or you play games that run better on the GTS250.
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June 1, 2010 11:43:36 AM

GTS 250 has CUDA technology.
If you do video converting to psp/iphones or whatever format, mediacoder does make use of CUDA.

I did some comparisons using the same 1 hour video to convert to iphone format:

Dual Core cpu E6600@2.4ghz = 35:16 minutes

GTS 250 with 128 cores = 10.36 minutes

i7 920@2.66ghz [4 cores + 4 thread so its like 8 cores] = 9.93minutes

GTX 480 with 480 cores = only 3.68 minutes
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June 1, 2010 1:35:59 PM

Take 5750 and don't think about it.....

Why you don't buy 5770 for only couple bucks...And look for MSI product (have good cooling solution)
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June 7, 2010 11:16:34 PM

4745454b said:
The GTS250 is a hair faster in most games. Not so much faster you should pay extra for it though. If they are the same price, its safe to get it.

The GTS250 is the 9800GTX. There is no 9800GTS. The 9800GTX is just an overclocked 8800GTS 512MB. These cards all have the full 128 shaders enabled on it. The 9800GT is the 8800GT. These cards have 112 shaders enabled. The only real difference is that the 9800GT supports tri SLI.

The biggest difference between the cards your looking at is that the GTS250 is faster, but the 5750 is newer. As such the 5750 supports DX11 over the GTS250s DX10. The 5750 also supports Eyefinity, though as a slower card don't count on using it much. The GTS250 does support PhysX, though not all games use it. I think the real question you need to answer is do you want the slightly faster card (GTS250) or the DX11 one? (5750)


You forget DDR5, Pixel/Vertex shader 5.0 and OpenGL3.2 at 5750 also ATI Stream tehnology... ATI 5750 is a better choice .....

(I always upgrade my GPU just becouse Pixel or Vertx shader (come new game with Pixel shader 3.0 and my card don't support :( (( and i must upgrade....) And now, come times when games will don't support PS/VS 4.0. Becouse that take ATI card who support PS/VS 5.0 and OpenGL3.2.....
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June 7, 2010 11:51:35 PM

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about the memory both are equal 70 gb/s but ....

Microsoft’s DirectCompute is a new GPU Computing API...

also both support openGL 3.2 so its not a problem that gt250 support dx10.1 and hd5770 have dx11....


There is soooo much wrong with what you wrote most of which is you spewing BS, that it gets the axe, justified by the anonymous posting, but re-affirmed by the bad content. GTS supports only DX10.0 in Hardware, GT240, G210 GT220 and other G3xx seneration GPUs are the DX10.1 models, not the GTS250.

Both support OpenGL 3.2 (currently up to 3.3 in the GTS250's case), however the HD57xx series can support OpenGL 4.0 (with DP support to come later) so they aren't the same in that respect.
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June 7, 2010 11:58:41 PM

vkvkvvk said:
GTS 250 has CUDA technology.
If you do video converting to psp/iphones or whatever format, mediacoder does make use of CUDA.


Other encorders also make use of both Stream of CUDA, even Win7 has built in hardware acceleration.
An example of both at Guru3D;

http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-hd-5750-iceq-r...

And in the case above the HD5750 outperforms the GTX285 and ties and OC'd GTX260 although they are all kind similar (tieing an HD5970 and HD5870Xfire).

So it's not an either/or scenario, and if you use apps geared to one or the other they will both derive benefits in this area.
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June 8, 2010 12:02:58 AM

Misko195 said:
Where you read for GTS 250 and OpenGL3.2?
Take a look closely:
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=606&card2...
It's only OpenGL 2.1


That's support at launch, nVidia has updated their driver support up to 3.3 on the GTS250 (April 2010)
It's up to 4.0 on the HD5750 as mentioned above, up from a launch of 3.2. (which even then had the caveat of: 1. Driver support scheduled for release in 2010; trying to not get caught too far behind in the spec sheet archival trivia in 2009, and actually providing support before the end of 2009 sooner than their statement).
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June 8, 2010 12:09:39 AM

However really at this point after the Anonymous bump, I think we can let this thread die, I think the OP has long since made his decision.

I just wanted to clean up the thread should anyone revisit later. :hello: 
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June 8, 2010 12:22:38 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
However really at this point after the Anonymous bump, I think we can let this thread die, I think the OP has long since made his decision.

I just wanted to clean up the thread should anyone revisit later. :hello: 



Ok men, how you say :) 
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