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January 3, 2010 4:05:56 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: this week BUDGET RANGE:800-1200

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: photo/video editing, working with graphics (adobe cs4), surfing the net, school work (office 2007), general use. I don't game.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED:o S, MONITOR. Keyboard, mouse, speakers I can pick myself.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: canadacomputers.ca, tigerdirect.ca COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Canada

PARTS PREFERENCES: I have a list of parts i've selected for this build in the additional comments section.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 (maybe dual-screen later).

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: This is my first build and i'm not very experienced in computer hardware. here are the parts i've selected so far (with help from others).
CPU $199.97
Intel Core i5 750 Quad-Core Socket LGA1156, 2.66Ghz, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

GPU $74.97
XFX Radeon HD 4670 Video Card - 1GB GDDR2, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFireX Ready, Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

RAM $99.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series DDR3 1600MHz (PC3-12800) 4GB (2x2GB) Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL)
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

MOBO 1 $154.99
Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 Socket 1156 Intel P55 Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 2200/1600/1333/1066/800Mhz 2x PCI Express x16 7.1-Ch HD Audio 2x SATA 6Gb/s+6x SATA 3Gb/s GigaLAN 2x USB 3.0+12x USB 2.0 ATX
http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd...
*the only reason I want to go for this one is because it supports usb 3.0 and sata 6gb/s which should increase longevity, but it has issues:
if i were to use crossfire, sata 3 and usb 3 would downgrade to normal mode due to a p55 limitation.
if i were to use sata 3 and usb 3 in turbo mode, the first pci-e lane drops down to x8 instead of x16.

MOBO 2 $104.99
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 Socket 1156 Intel P55 Express Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 2200/1333/1066Mhz 2x PCI-E X16 8-Ch HD Audio 7x SATAII 1x eSATA GigaLAN IEEE1394 Micro ATX
http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd...
*i want to go with this one because its really cheap and low end. ill stay with it for now and when pci 3.0, sata3, usb 3.0 are all common, ill buy a new mobo. The problem with this board is that its two MOSFET's are not cooled, and may overheat in O/Cing. I've seen people who have overclocked with this board to near 4ghz, but i don't want to worry about burning my mobo.

HD $99.99
Western Digital Caviar Black (WD1001FALS) 1000GB (1TB) SATAII 7200RPM 32MB Cache (OEM)
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

PSU $78.99
Corsair CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX 12V 41A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

Case $62.99
Antec Three Hundred Gaming Case ATX 3/0/(6) 2xUSB Audio No PS
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

DVD Drive $29.99
Samsung SH-S223C/BEBE SATA Black 22X DVD-Writer OEM
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...


MOBO 1 TOTAL $801.88
MOBO 2 TOTAL $751.88


Questions:
1)Which mobo? The reason I want to go for the ud3 is because it has usb 3.0 and sata 6 gb/s support which should provide longevity but it does have the issue of downgrading usb 3.0 and sata 6gb/s to normal modes when you do crossfire. i don't game so i won't be needing crossfire anyway. is it worth it?

2)i'm going to be overclocking, and i don't think the stock fan will suffice. which cooler should i get?

3)if i wanted to get more ram, do i have to jump up to 8gb or can i buy a 2gb one?

4)is everything compatible? is this a good build?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. I really want to start buying parts now.

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January 3, 2010 5:27:56 PM

Hey man,

I'm buying a similar build. My second build in 7 years, so i'm quite rusty @ current hardware as well.. however, for the past 3 weeks i've been researching the heck out of this kinda system (at first i wanted to go on an i7 system, but realized it would be waste considering i plan on mostly playing games).

Anyways, first of all i'll show you my build :

CPU : Intel Core i5-750 Tray
CPU COOLING UNIT : Hyper 212 Plus
Mobo : ASUS P7P55D-E Pro
Memory : 2x2GB G.Skill Ripjaws Edition Dual Channel CL7
HD : Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 3.5" 1000GB SATA2 32MB
GPU : HIS HD 5850 1GB (256bit) DDR5 PCI-E
DVD Burner : SAMSUNG GH-22NS50 DVDRW
Case : CoolerMaster HAF 932
PSU : Antec TruePower 750W

and that's yours (for comparison) :

CPU : Intel Core i5-750 Tray
CPU COOLING UNIT : -
Mobo : GA-P55A-UD3
Memory : G.SKILL Ripjaws Series DDR3 1600MHz 4GB (2x2GB) CL9
HD : WD1001FALS WesternDigital 1TB Caviar Black
GPU : XFX Radeon HD 4670
DVD Burner : Samsung SH-S223C/BEBE SATA Black 22X DVD-Writer OEM
Case : Antec Three Hundred Gaming Case
PSU : Corsair CMPSU-550VX 550W

Ok, so that's that. All of what i will
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January 3, 2010 5:43:39 PM

*** up anything. I went as far as ordering this mobo from another country cause it's not available where i'm from. also, i heared asus's better for overclockers, and someday, i also intend to overclock.

Memory : great choice. seeing the difference between cl9 and cl7 where i'm from is about 10$, i decided to go on better timings.

HD : Overall i heard from several sources the Samsung F3 is the best around atm, although i also heard good things about the caviar black. Either way, it's good :p 

GPU : Man, you bought a lousy GPU, but seeing you don't game i guess any gpu will suffice. I strongly suggest putting some more money to buy a better one, though, because it can affect overall performance.

DVD Burner: you can't really go wrong with that one, can you ?

Case : I heard the antec 300 is a great case, i'm not sure how roomy it is (keep in mind that if you do go for the hyper 212 plus, you'll need room).

PSU : Corsair's great and 550W will be just fine, i believe.

that's it :p 

for you questions :

1) Although i prefer asus, if you do go for the GB, i suggest going for the usb 3 & sata 6. if you don't game, you won't crossfire and cripple it, and when those technology will start popping up, you'll be able to use their full potential.

2) like i said, i heard it's good for o/cing (not over 4ghz, though :p  )

3) I'm not sure, and i don't wanna mislead you.

4) everything's compatible and it's a.o.k =P

Yair

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January 3, 2010 6:20:08 PM

Hey. I think you have great taste. I built a similar machine in a hurry, back in early October. In my case, it's an i7 860 on a GA -P55M-UD2, with G.Skill memory and an ATI 4670. So far, I am pleased with most of my choices.

I got an Antec case that came with a PSU, an EA 380. In theory, it's all I need, according to this calculator. But it only has a 2x2 CPU power plug, while the MB will accept a 4x2.

This is great for routine use, but the MOSFET's are not cooled on the UD2. Even though a reviewer said (in comments) that he was able to OC the UD2 and had no problems at load, I am leery of overclocking with this board. I am waiting for a GA P55A-UD3R to come to the US so I can finish building my own OC machine. So I think your top choice is the best available.

There are many top-notch PSU's available. Just stick with brand names, and check the reviews before you buy anything.

As for cases, the quiet ones seem to have straight metal sides you can apply dampening sheets to. The ones set for cooling tend to be more open. I got an NZXT Beta Evo for my OC project. The problem with it is that its PSU filter is hard to service, so I will be running my PSU upside down. The things I paid attention to:

--A window in the MB tray to allow you to get to the back of your MB for working with heatsink braces.

--PSU on the bottom. Otherwise, the PSU fan is ingesting warm air from the case and will have to work harder (and louder) to stay cool. Of course, this may be less of an issue up in the temperate part of the world where you live.

And remember that you will likely be supplementing your case with fans.

I don't see a heatsink listed for your system. The Intel cooler will barely be enough to do routine work. You will not be able to OC with it. I have a Megahalems, but a better choice would have been the Noctua D14. It's pricey, but it comes with its own fan. And with a heavy cooler you have to suspend it from the case.

There are other choices, far less expensive, that others can recommend.
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January 4, 2010 10:53:13 PM

For RAM, I need to decide between these two (one has better timings and one has faster speed):
$105 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 SDRAM DDR 3 1333 (PC3 10666) Timings 7-7-7-21
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

$99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Timings 9-9-9-24-2N
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Regarding the mobo, I will sacrifice the x16 to x8 performance drop when i use the sata3/usb3.0 and go with the GA-P55A-UD3. Here are some reasons why I prefer it over the GA-P55M-UD2:
-more overclock capabilities because the UD2 has MOSFET's which are not cooled and can overheat
-the UD2 is a microATX board, and ATX is prefered because in micro some components may be blocked (generally a tighter fit)

As for the GPU, I am considering the 4850:
GPU $145
XFX HD-485X-ZDFC Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Do people think that I will benefit from a 4850 instead of a 4670 when I don't game? But I do edit HD video with vegas/adobe cs4, and use photoshop a lot. Also, i get a great deal with the 4670 (only $75!)

Regarding the Case:
This case here has PSU in the bottom and I believe the panel behind the mobo tray opens. Here is the link:
http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd...
Deciding from these images, it seems to open up behind the mobo tray:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=11-119-197-S06&ISList=11-119-197-S01%2c11-119-197-S02%2c11-119-197-S03%2c11-119-197-S04%2c11-119-197-S05%2c11-119-197-S06%2c11-119-197-S07%2c11-119-197-S08%2c11-119-197-S09%2c11-119-197-S10%2c11-119-197-S11&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16811119197&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=COOLER%20MASTER%20HAF%20922%20RC-922M-KKN1-GP%20Black%20Steel%20%2b%20Plastic%20and%20Mesh%20Bezel%20ATX%20Mid%20Tower%20Computer%20Case
Does the NZXT BETA EVO have a window in the MB tray?

Heatsink:
I'll go with the hyper 212 plus

Yet to decide:
4850 vs 4670, will i really benefit? (NOTE: I do get a great deal with the 4670, i'd have to pay $57 more for 4850)
Which RAM? Better timings or better speed? Note that the better speed ones have gotten an amazing review on newegg.
Which case? Does the HAF 922 mid tower have a case behind the mobo for working with coolers?
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January 5, 2010 12:27:49 AM

iAsterisk said:
For RAM, I need to decide between these two (one has better timings and one has faster speed):
$105 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 SDRAM DDR 3 1333 (PC3 10666) Timings 7-7-7-21
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

$99 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Timings 9-9-9-24-2N
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


Yet to decide:
Which RAM? Better timings or better speed? Note that the better speed ones have gotten an amazing review on newegg.



I would get this set
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Much better and same price.
7-7-7-21 @ 1.35v with heat spreaders that conform tightly to the ram so they dont stick out like most of the Ripjaw series and get in the way of coolers. I use them personally.
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January 5, 2010 4:21:18 PM

iAsterisk said:

Do people think that I will benefit from a 4850 instead of a 4670 when I don't game? But I do edit HD video with vegas/adobe cs4, and use photoshop a lot. Also, i get a great deal with the 4670 (only $75!)


I was looking at the 4670 for a system that I plan on using photoshop on quite a bit. I looked around and it seemed photoshop is cpu instead of gpu intensive, so the 4670 should be just fine on that account. As for editing video you might need a better video card. I'm not sure though
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January 5, 2010 8:40:20 PM

I decided on the ECO RAM, the radeon 4670, antec 300, and the ud3. Here is what I am about to order:
CPU $214.97
Intel Core i5 750 Quad-Core Socket LGA1156, 2.66Ghz, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

GPU $74.97
XFX Radeon HD 4670 Video Card - 1GB GDDR2, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFireX Ready, Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Cooler $29.99
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

RAM $104.99
G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBECO - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

MOBO $154.99
Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 Socket 1156 Intel P55 Chipset Dual-Channel DDR3 2200/1600/1333/1066/800Mhz 2x PCI Express x16 7.1-Ch HD Audio 2x SATA 6Gb/s+6x SATA 3Gb/s GigaLAN 2x USB 3.0+12x USB 2.0 ATX
http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd...

HDx2 for Raid 0 Setup $99.99x2= $200
Western Digital Caviar Black (WD1001FALS) 1000GB (1TB) SATAII 7200RPM 32MB Cache (OEM)
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

PSU $78.99
Corsair CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX 12V 41A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

Case $62.99
Antec Three Hundred Gaming Case ATX 3/0/(6) 2xUSB Audio No PS
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

DVD Drive $29.99
Samsung SH-S223C/BEBE SATA Black 22X DVD-Writer OEM
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

TOTAL $951.88 CND
Including tax+shipping = $1088.03
I will order parts within a few days.
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January 5, 2010 8:57:53 PM

Looks pretty good. Hope that memory works for you I just ordered the same kit.
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January 5, 2010 10:20:04 PM

In my i7-860 build I just did, I went with the G.SKILL Ripjaws Series DDR3 1600MHz (PC3-12800) 4GB (2x2GB) Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM). I pulled this off the Canada website you had, it looks different than mine (color), but the model numbers match up to it on NewEgg.

I'm very happy & pleased with it thus far. However, the ECO RAM looks good as well. From a quick glance, it looks like the main difference is the PC 12800 vs. PC 10666 in the ECO RAM. A noticeable difference? I'm not an expert here, but I wouldn't think so... but I'm sure your application may influence how much of an impact this makes.

Steve
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January 6, 2010 12:14:51 AM

I just found a great deal on the GA-P55A-UD3R on Canada Computers.ca:
http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd...
Only $117.99 after mail-in rebate.
What is the difference between UD3 and UD3R? I've seen a lot of people overclock with the UD3R, so does the difference have to do with overclocking?
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January 6, 2010 4:59:45 AM

This might not be helpful but based on Gigabyte's website the power design of the UD3R is better for over-clocking. Other then that they seem to be almost the same board. Though i think the UD3R may have more SATA and eSATA ports.

Hope that's helpful
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January 10, 2010 12:44:02 AM

I'm done with buying the parts. Here is my final build if anyone cares:
HD
WD Caviar Black 1TB SATAII 7200RPM 32MB Cache (WD1001FALS) x2
From: CANADA COMPUTERS NORTH YORK
Reg. Price: $211.98
Bought Price: $199.98

CPU Cooler
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus 120mm
From: NEWEGG.ca
Price: $29.99

GPU
HIS Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 (H467QS1GH)
From: NEWEGG.ca
Reg. Price: $84.99
Bought Price: $79.99

MEMORY
G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2x2GB) 240-pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) SDRAM (F3-10666CL7D-4GBECO)
From: NEWEGG.ca
Price: $104.99

CPU
Intel Core i5 750 (BX80605I5750)
From: CANADA COMPUTERS NORTH YORK
Price: $229.99

PSU
Corsair TX Series CMPSU-650TX 650W
From: CANADA COMPUTERS NORTH YORK
Reg. Price: $109.99
Bought Price: $79.99 (including $21 mail-in-rebate)

MOBO
Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3
From: CANADA COMPUTERS NORTH YORK
Price: $154.99

DVD
LG GH22NS50 Black SATA DVD-Writer 22xDVD+R/-R 8xDVD+RW/6xDVD-RW 16xDVD+R DL 12xDVD-R DL 48x CD-R 32xCD-RW OEM
From: CANADA COMPUTERS NORTH YORK
Price: $34.99

CASE
Antec Three Hundred
From: CANADA COMPUTERS NORTH YORK
Price: $62.99

TOTAL: $977.90

I went with the 650W because it would have cost me the same as the 550W.
I also bought two of the WD Caviar Black's 1TB to set-up raid 0, ill see how that works out.
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January 10, 2010 5:37:09 AM

I just set up my computer using the same memory and power supply. Seems to be working well. You might want to manually set the voltage for the memory, I read somewhere that if you don't it doesn't use the right voltage, though don't take my word on that. Good luck on setting everything up
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