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January 4, 2010 2:45:48 AM

I am looking at a AMD build and here are some of the parts I have picked out.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week if possible

BUDGET RANGE: $500 or less

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Video editing, Photo editing with Photoshop, watching movies

OVERCLOCKING: Yes but I want to know which board is better for OC.

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H Micro ATX AMD Motherboard OR ASUS MOTHERBOARD M4A78T-E AMD

CPU Fan: COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm OR ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 or Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor OR AMD Athlon X4 620

Memory:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory


Which board is better?

Any suggestioins on the CPU fan?

Is the 955 worth the extra $65 over the 620 quad core?

What about the memory? Anything to change there?

I would like to be able to overclock this as well.
January 4, 2010 3:19:55 AM

I'm not sure which board is better for OC'ing, but the Gigabyte mobo has much better memory support, including faster speeds than the Asus board. So I would gather that the Gigabyte board would be better than the Asus for OC'ing.
The 955 is a lot better than the Athlon II x4 620, performance wise, plus it's a Black Edition processor, which means easy OC's!! You should be able to easily OC the 955 to 3.6-3.8 gHz without adjusting anything, except the multiplier!!
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January 4, 2010 3:22:57 AM

OK - I had been thinking the Gigabyte was the better board so far.
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January 4, 2010 3:24:50 AM

Forgot to ask, but what case are you putting this system in??
What PSU are you using too??

Edit: I forgot to mention about the CPU HSF. I like the one listed below for $45, but not sure what your budget is for the CPU HSF.
XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 4, 2010 3:34:59 AM

lunyone said:
Forgot to ask, but what case are you putting this system in??
What PSU are you using too??

Edit: I forgot to mention about the CPU HSF. I like the one listed below for $45, but not sure what your budget is for the CPU HSF.
XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



No that would work as well.... I was getting some of the info on those from here
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
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January 4, 2010 3:45:22 AM

Were you going to use a dedicated GPU or just use the onboard GPU?? This matters as far as the power that your going to need for the PSU. I've never heard of the "Nexus" brand, so I'd shy away from it. If your not going to be using a dedicated GPU, than you might be just fine with a quality 350-400w PSU. I'd need to know your full specs, before I could be more sure about the PSU requirements.
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January 4, 2010 3:48:34 AM

No video card for now just onboard video until more funds.
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January 4, 2010 3:54:33 AM

Personally I don't think you need an aftermarket CPU HSF. You can easily OC the 955 BE to 3.6-3.8 without any voltage adjustments (just a BIOS adjustment to the multiplier)!! I'm pretty sure that you would get some benefits from a dedicated GPU for some of your work that your going to be doing. I'd rather have the Athlon II x4 620 w/a 4670 GPU than just have the 955 BE, but that is me. I like the option to have some gaming capability than to be stuck to onboard GPU's. Mind you, the AMD onboard GPU's are the best that you can get, but I'm just saying.
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January 4, 2010 3:59:48 AM

Which Video card would keep this at roughly the same price and swap the 620 for the 955?
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January 4, 2010 4:13:25 AM

The 4670, like mentioned before.
You can get other ones for cheaper, but this GPU is a double slot solution and allows the heat to be blown outside of the case!!
HIS H467QS1GH Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 4, 2010 4:20:30 AM

I asked because I saw many different models.

Now if i would go that route amd 620 with 4670 then would I need a different Power Suppy as well?

I am trying to reuse PC parts that I have now if possible.
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January 4, 2010 7:12:45 AM

Nope! The 4670 requires no more power than the one supplied from the mobo!! That's the brilliant part of the 4670 :) 
Here's a good quality PSU for $50!
BFG Tech GS-550 550W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V V2.8 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It comes with 36A on the combined 12v rails and also has 1 x 6 pin and 1 x 6 + 2 pin (8 pin) PCI-e power connections for future GPU needs!! This PSU will be around for several upgrades :) 
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January 4, 2010 1:04:15 PM

OK to make sure I have all my thoughts together on this: The only thing you confused me on is if I can stick with the stock CPU Fan or not in either scenerio?

Option 1: 411.96
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

CPU Fan: Stock?

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Option 2: $414.96
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

CPU Fan: Stock?

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 620

Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory


Video Card: HIS H467QS1GH Radeon HD 4670 1GB

Power Supply: BFG Tech GS-550 550W ATX12V T
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January 5, 2010 2:01:33 AM

Option#2 is the better overall system. The 955 BE will encode/Video edit a bit better, but the added GPU in Option #2 will come in handy. Now with that said, getting an aftermarket CPU HSF ISN'T a bad idea. I was just trying to minimize the costs if at all possible. The only thing I'd be concerned about with an aftermarket CPU HSF is the room allowed in the case. I don't know which case you have, but some CPU HSF's are quite big and take up some real estate!
The other benefit with having a dedicated GPU, is that your dual monitor configurations will run smoother than running on the onboard GPU.

One thing I have remember is that if you go with Option #1, you can buy the 4670 GPU later, if you feel your not getting a good video experience. I know that would put you close to your $500 budget, but it'd be the best option, IMHO.
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January 5, 2010 3:14:38 AM

Is the AMD 630 worth the extra couple bucks over the 620 - doing some reading on it right now.
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January 5, 2010 3:43:42 AM

Personally I don't think so. Although it is only $13 more than the x4 620, so it's up to you. I'd rather spend the $13 eslewhere, if I had other parts to buy.

Can you afford the 955 BE w/the 4670??
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January 5, 2010 5:29:38 PM

Well I decided to save a little more money for the time being and went ahead and ordered the following:
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

CPU Fan: XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 620

Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Power Supply: BFG Tech GS-550 550W ATX12V T

For a tad under $400.
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January 6, 2010 1:04:29 AM

I hope your case can fit the Dark Knight CPU HSF. It's a bit tall, so keep that in mind.
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January 6, 2010 1:51:26 AM

Well I guess if it doesn't fit I either go a different route for the CPU or get a different case .
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January 6, 2010 2:55:30 AM

A different CPU isn't going to affect the overall height. I think the 620 is a good compromise for performance and multitasking. It has the 4 cores and it runs at a decent clock speed (2.6 gHz). Come back and comment on how the build goes.
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January 6, 2010 4:03:37 AM

I meant cpufan - typo. I will let you know if I run into any issues with the fan etc.
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January 8, 2010 11:22:12 PM

Well right now I have it together with the stock CPU Fan. I installed Windows 7 64 bit and it is doing updates right now. I will have to think about my HD setup since I was running 1 sata(main drive) and 2 PATA as my other setup has 2 - 1tb drives.
Speaking of HDs the Satas in the other machine are these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So far I haven't had any issues with these. Can I stick with these for my new quad core setup or is there something better out there. I haven't looked at HDs for a while. I bought these cause the price/specs at the time.

Probably looking to either get a 1tb or maybe just a 500gb depends on price but usually it makes more sense to go with the 1tb.

Quick Memory ? I believe I am understanding this correctly...even know I have 4gb it only says 3.5 usable since the onboard video is using the rest?
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January 9, 2010 5:24:13 AM

Get whatever size of drive you think you'll need. I like the WD Black versions, because they are bit faster than the Blue or Green versions.

When you get a dedicated card (if you do), you'll get your 512 mb's of RAM back :) 
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January 9, 2010 3:46:43 PM

So for a little test I did the following encoding: It is a 500mg HD file pulled from my tivo box. All setups using Windows XP/Sata Drives except the Quad core(Windows 7 64bit)


MSI Atom 1.6 – 2gb
>> ENCODING WITH PROFILE 'ff_tivo_hd' TO FILE C:\Tivo Output\\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mp4 ...
C:\Tivo\ffmpeg\ffmpeg.exe -y -i "C:\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mpg" -threads 2 -acodec copy -vcodec libx264 -b 5000k -refs 3 -flags2 +mixed_refs+wpred+bpyramid+dct8x8-fastpskip -bf 3 -me_method umh -subq 9 -g 24 -keyint_min 2 -f mp4 "G:\Tivo Output\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mp4"
encoding job completed: 01:34:30

Asus Pentium 4 2.8 – 2gb
>> ENCODING WITH PROFILE 'ff_tivo_hd' TO FILE C:\Tivo Output\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mp4 ...
C:\tivo\ffmpeg\ffmpeg.exe -y -i "C:\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mpg" -threads 1 -acodec copy -vcodec libx264 -b 5000k -refs 3 -flags2 +mixed_refs+wpred+bpyramid+dct8x8-fastpskip -bf 3 -me_method umh -subq 9 -g 24 -keyint_min 2 -f mp4 "H:\kmttg\encode\ff_tivo_hd\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mp4"
encoding job completed: 01:03:26


HP laptop Pentium DualCore- 1.72 - 2g
ENCODING WITH PROFILE 'ff_tivo_hd' TO FILE C:\Tivo Output\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mp4 ...
C:\Tivo\ffmpeg\ffmpeg.exe -y -i "C:\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mpg" -threads 2 -acodec copy -vcodec libx264 -b 5000k -refs 3 -flags2 +mixed_refs+wpred+bpyramid+dct8x8-fastpskip -bf 3 -me_method umh -subq 9 -g 24 -keyint_min 2 -f mp4 "E:\Tivo Output\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mp4"
encoding job completed: 00:35:52


AMD Quad Core 260 – 4gb
>> ENCODING WITH PROFILE 'ff_tivo_hd' TO FILE C:\Tivo Output\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mp4 ...
C:\Users\cburbs\Desktop\kmttg_v0p7f\ffmpeg\ffmpeg.exe -y -i "C:\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mpg" -threads 4 -acodec copy -vcodec libx264 -b 5000k -refs 3 -flags2 +mixed_refs+wpred+bpyramid+dct8x8-fastpskip -bf 3 -me_method umh -subq 9 -g 24 -keyint_min 2 -f mp4 "C:\Users\cburbs\Desktop\kmttg_v0p7f\How I Met Your Mother - The Rough Patch-(11-09-2009)_cut (02).mp4"
encoding job completed: 00:09:54
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January 10, 2010 2:10:52 AM

NICE!!! There's some savings!!! How do you like the build so far??
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January 11, 2010 10:04:53 PM

So far so good...now I need to look/read into overclocking it once I put that other cpu fan on it. Any good place to start with my setup?
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January 12, 2010 4:20:20 AM

Here's some links:

OCC AMD Athlon II X4 620 Quad Core Processor Review
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/athlon2_620/3.h...
Quoting from link above:

"To overclock the Athlon II X4 620 processor you need to have a good knowledge of overclocking AMD processors. This particular processor is not a "Black Edition" as we have been accustomed to with the majority of Phenom II series processors so the multiplier is locked at 13x. To overclock this processor you really need to push up the reference clock to get the extra speed. With pushing the reference clock higher the HyperTransport Link and memory go up as well since they use the reference clock with multipliers as well. To overclock the processor I started pushing the reference clock up 5MHz at a time until it became unstable. I hit a wall rather early and after doing some research I found the culprit was the HT Link. The Athlon II X4 620 did not do too well with the HT Link much over 2000MHz so I had to drop the multiplier down to 9x to get the HT Link at 1928MHz, which is a bit under the 2000MHz mark so we were good as the reference clock rose. Finally, I was no longer stable over 241MHz on the reference clock at 1.5 volts. However, the temperature I got while overclocking testing was 38C degrees, which is way under the 71C degree thermal limit. Quite cool I must say. Since the reference clock was at 241MHz the memory speed was bumped up to 1928MHz, which was fine because the set of memory I use for the reviews I have been able to get to 2000MHz so I left the memory multiplier alone and used this for my memory speed. The final overclocked setting are 3.133GHz for the Athlon II X4 620 and 1928MHz for the memory, which is approximately a 20% overclock."

Pure OC's review link below:
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=820&page=4

Read any/all reviews, because they all have different results and methods (well similar methods).

OOC's got a 3.1 gHz and Pure OC's got a 3.7 gHz, so there are different results w/different CPU's. Yours might fall somewhere in between these results, so take it for what it's worth.
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