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Hi,
i am totally new to this forum. I found everybody here is very much helpful. I hope you guys will help me too. My parents will buy me a computer for myself and they will allow me to build it myself. But my budget will have to be within $500. So i chosed a Dual core E5400, Samsung 20" 1600x900, ASUS DVD RW, 4GB memory, Samsung 500GB HDD, Ati Radeon 4830, Deluxe Case with 500 watt PSU, and other things like Keyboard, Mouse etc. Well, i want to know will that E5400 be able to handle Far Cry 2, Assassins Creed 2 and GTA4? And shuld i upgrate to Core 2 Duo E7500 and downgrade to Ati Radeon 4670? Here in Bangladesh Amd CPUs are unavailable and the prices of graphics cards are too high. Help me please.
 
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I would recommend the opposite. I don't know about there but here the E5200 is a decent amount cheaper than the E5400. They are the EXACT same chip, same core, same cache. The only difference is the stock speed and no matter which chip you buy you should be overclocking so the stock speed is entirely irrelevant. You should be able to get either of those chips up to 3.3-3.5 ghz just on the fan/heatsink that comes with the chip.
For your resolution you want at least an HD5750/HD4850/GTS 250 imo and preferably an HD5770/HD4870/GTX 260. Hopefully the savings on the processor will make at least that first group work for you budget.
 
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thanks for ur quick reply. But which is better? ECS GTS 250/XFX HD 4770? Bt i am worrying about the PSU. Will that be able to power up these cards? E5200 is also available here but will the Gigabyte G31-ES2L be able to OC it to 3.0ghz with stock cooler? Anyway, i am not hardcore gamer but want to play games at normal or good quality. I can also upgrade to 21.5" full HD monitor. Then will i be able to play those games at low or normal quality.
 
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Gigabyte is a good brand so sure, up to 3.3-3.5 on stock cooling like I said. You probably can't afford a real fan/heatsink but if you can at some point wolfdale C2Ds can get up to around 4 ghz on good air cooling.
The GTS 250 is better and you are right to be concerned some about the PSU. How many amps does it claim for the +12v rail?
If you go for a 1920x1080 monitor really you want an HD5770/HD4870/GTX 260 but even something like the GTS 250 should be able to give playable framerates at low/medium settings.
 
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the main dealer of Deluxe cases told me that the case that i have chosed can power up HD4850 and GTS 250 without any single problem though not as good as brand PSU but better than most other PSUs that comes with case. You are right. My parents won't allow me to buy a branded fan/heatsink. Now i have a few questions. Will the E5200 OCed at 3.2-3.5ghz perform as good as non OCed E7500? I am worrying about the brand ECS. They give 1 year warranty like XFX, ASUS, GIGABYTE. But will a ECS card work problem free for at least two years? And i am wondering if OCed E5200 will allow me to run a antivirus, downloading files, playing mp3s in the background and play games at the same time. Unfortunately my dad won't let me buy something pricy like HD4890/HD4870/GTX 260/GTX 275. Thanks again.
 
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The only difference between The E7xxx chips and the E5xxx chips is 1mb of L2 cache and that really isn't a big deal. It is better but not nearly worth the extra money IMO. An OCed E5200 should easily be better than an E7500 at stock.
In general you never want to be running a virus scan of your computer and do anything else CPU/HD intensive(ie gaming) at the same time, no matter what processor you have. Everything else should be no problem.
I wouldn't worry much about the brand of video card.
 
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Thanks again. LoL. I wouldn't really do that(scan) with gaming. Another question which is better GTS 250 or HD4850 at both 1600x900 and 1080p ? And next question i will buy 2GB/3GB memory for the 1st time and will make it 4GB in the next month of buying. The system will be running under XP. Will buy windows 7 ultimate after 3-4 months of buying. What is the minimum requirement for ram to play new games under XP? Can that 2-3GB run games under xp?
 
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The HD4850 and GTS 250 are roughly the same in performance with the latter maybe a tiny bit better.
Don't bother with more than 3 gb until you get win7 and when you do get the 64-bit version. 32 bit windows cannot effectively use more than 3.5gb of ram, usually closer to 3.2-3.3gb. Games should run fine on 2GB but 3-4 will be better.
 
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U are really so helpful, more than helpful. Anyway, I have saw many games which recommended xbox 360 controller. Bt if i use normal branded joysticks instead of xbox controller, will that work?
Another question, i have heard that some GPU can do upscale or something to upgrade dvd movie's quality even better one can upgrade it's quality to almost HD quality. Is it true or not? And which card can do that? Any of the listed ones? If so which will upscale better?
 
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Core i3 ! Is it really true? Bcz i didnt know that intel released core i3. Is that i3 quad? But it is not available in bangladesh even Dual Core E6xxx isnt available here. All other cpus like i5,i7,extremes,xenons,duals,c2ds,quads, and gpus like gtx295,hd5970 available here.Bt i am a still high school student.Thats the reason why i am buying this.
 
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I can spend at best $600. Bt price differences between bangladesh and USA is lot. For example sapphire 4830 costs here $120. 2GB DDR2 costs $45 though the 2GB DDR3 costs $52. Its the main problem.
 
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Something will always be a bottleneck and in this case it will be the card not the processor. For upscaling I believe that is done by software on a PC so don't worry about it in regards to the video card.
There have been a number of games lately that use the 360 controller as standard but for most games you can use any controller. For those that want a 360 controller there are things that will let you map your controllers button to emulate a 360 one.
 
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Then, according to you. . .I have chosen-
Dual core E5200
Gigabyte G31 ES2L
Transcend 2GB @800 DDR2
Asus dvd rw
ECS GTS 250
Deluxe case with 500w psu
LG 2243T 21.5" 1920x1080
Samsung 500GB HDD
will be running under XP
Is it ok? Will i be able to play assassins creed,far cry2,fallout 3 even crysis at normal/good quality
 
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Can u tell me the minimun official psu recommendation for 4850,4870 & gts250? As i am newbie,i dont know about psu well. So can u give me some links to learn about the basic knowledge of psu?
And some links to OC gigabyte g31 and e5200?
Thanks in advance.
 
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theres a lot of leeway for the "minimum official psu requirement" as one manufacturer's 550w psu is different than the other, its efficiency rating as well.

i'd say look for brands that say corsair, antec, ocz, gigabyte, coolermaster. these brands are easy to find in asia. any 450w (better if higher) psu variation from these manufacturers would be enough to power that rig of yours.

i personally prefer corsair. their cheapest psu called cx400 would suffice on your rig, if you can find one.

im using a 450w corsair powering a 3.0ghz quad and a hefty gtx260 24-7 for almost 2 years. no problem whatsoever.

 
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Bt can u give me some links to learn about the basic knowledge about PSU and to OC GIGABYTE G31 & E5200? (Really needed)

I will buy a branded psu after some weeks of buying. What's about the Thermalake? Those thermalake ones are easy to find here and have 1 year warrenty. I am thinking to buy one of it's model. (can't remember the model name) .Which is 550/600w and around $80-90.
 
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