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March 12, 2010 2:48:41 AM

Hey all.

So I am building a computer for my parents to replace their 8 year old Dell pentium-based rig (which is falling apart)...but I'm on a pretty tight budget (I'm trying to get it in the low to mid $800's range...if I can go lower than that EVEN BETTER). This rig won't be doing much if any gaming, but photography editing is pretty essential.

But my biggest question is: which processor? I can get an i7 920 at Microcenter for $200. Is there a huge difference, besides the socket type, between 920 (or 930) and the 860 line? In terms of the over-all build, which would keep my costs down but retain solid performance for a few years?

My current items (suggestions to bring my costs down or retain performance/reliability are SO welcome):

Intel i7 920 $200

Asrock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 $160

Super Talent 3GB DDR3 1333 Triple Channel $85

Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM $90

SAPPHIRE 100296HDMI Radeon HD 4670 1GB $70

OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W $61 w/rebate +shipping

Lite-on DVD drive $27

Antec 300 $50

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March 12, 2010 3:16:40 AM

@TheScarecrow:

IMO, it is an extremely imbalanced configuration.

The rest parts are too crappy compared to CPU. I suggest you get your parents an i3 plus 4GB RAM and better gfx.
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March 12, 2010 8:18:40 AM

My suggestion LGA 1366 socket and instead of getting Radeon HD 4670 get HD 5770 or 5750....both are DX 11 capable
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March 12, 2010 8:28:55 AM

YOU won't need an i7, you can do good with an i5 setup or Phenom II setup...
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March 12, 2010 9:33:00 AM

thescarecrow said:
Hey all.

So I am building a computer for my parents to replace their 8 year old Dell pentium-based rig (which is falling apart)...but I'm on a pretty tight budget (I'm trying to get it in the low to mid $800's range...if I can go lower than that EVEN BETTER). This rig won't be doing much if any gaming, but photography editing is pretty essential.

But my biggest question is: which processor? I can get an i7 920 at Microcenter for $200. Is there a huge difference, besides the socket type, between 920 (or 930) and the 860 line? In terms of the over-all build, which would keep my costs down but retain solid performance for a few years?

My current items (suggestions to bring my costs down or retain performance/reliability are SO welcome):

Intel i7 920 $200

Asrock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 $160

Super Talent 3GB DDR3 1333 Triple Channel $85

Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM $90

SAPPHIRE 100296HDMI Radeon HD 4670 1GB $70

OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W $61 w/rebate +shipping

Lite-on DVD drive $27

Antec 300 $50


Hi
what i say is that if u want cheap but fast system then go for amd, it will be cheap but good. but if u want to go for the intel side then i suggest go for socket 1156 because it is cheaper and currently faster than core i7 930. the motherboard is also cheaper than the x58 ones. personally i will go for socket 1366 even though i know it is slower and expensive but i dont know y but i will go for it. in your case the best price/performance system will be going for p55, if u want to go for intel. think about it. and also try to fit in amd's 5000 series vga card. it will support the latest technology and will game decently. hope i helped
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March 12, 2010 1:49:26 PM

If you are not planning to use multiple video cards in a Crossfire / SLI fashion and / or planning to use a 6 Cores CPU (which doesn't seems like you are), go with socket 1156. Otherwise, go with socket 1366.
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March 12, 2010 1:53:12 PM

i5 750 $200 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 $124 USB3.0 SATA III free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD 5670 $109 6.98 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermaltake V9 Black Edition $65 after rebate and promotion code free shipping (this case is amazing for its price)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W $39 after rebate free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 $96 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sony Optiarc Black DVD drive $24 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
total $749 after rebates and promotional codes

total with shipping $756 after rebates and promotional codes
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March 12, 2010 2:54:49 PM

@ Requiemsallure

Excellent build man.. well thought out and nice.

@TheScarecrow

Like one other user suggested before, leaving all the fanboy crap aside, AMD is the way to go for a budget build that will performs well at stock speeds. Given what your parents use the PC for and the fact that they are coming from a Pentium 4 i presume. Building an i7 or even an i5 system is major overkill.

If you insist on getting them the best even if they wont make full use of it right now then the i5 system that Requiemsallure built above is the hands down the way to go. a 1366 system should not be in your list cause the premium you are paying for will never come into play especially on the motherboard.

QmA

P.S. If you have access to microcenter (like I do) then the i5 750 is $180 there.. Take off an additional $20 from Requiemsallure's build.
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March 12, 2010 8:48:24 PM

+1 i5 750 (unless the i7 is only $20 more at MC) or i3

Tbh i3 is probably your best bet due to low power usage/heat and its still plenty of power for everyday tasks and games.

If you need to save money then AMD is fine. Just know you get what you pay for (not saying the quality will be worse, just the performance, but your parents probably wouldn't notice with their uses). Price/performance on all of these cpus (amd/intel) is pretty good if you can take advantage of the power.
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March 12, 2010 10:10:22 PM

i3 + better gfx(HD5750 or HD5770) will definitely give you better gaming performance than i5-750+HD5670
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March 13, 2010 12:09:12 AM

i3 540 $139 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
P7P55D-E $139 USB3.0 SATA III free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
XFX HD-577X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 $154.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermaltake V9 Black Edition $65 after rebate and promotion code free shipping (this case is amazing for its price)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W $69 after mail in rebate, free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 $96 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sony Optiarc Black DVD drive $24 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~$777

but if you are considering dropping down to the i3 for graphics power you might as well get an AMD setup.

however at the same time you said you didnt need nor want to play games on this pc, and there fore i still recommend my first setup to you, over this.
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March 13, 2010 12:13:23 AM

requiemsallure said:
i3 540 $139 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
P7P55D-E $139 USB3.0 SATA III free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
XFX HD-577X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 $154.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermaltake V9 Black Edition $65 after rebate and promotion code free shipping (this case is amazing for its price)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W $69 after mail in rebate, free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 $96 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sony Optiarc Black DVD drive $24 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~$777


Because you also choose more expensive MB, PSU, GFX and case for this setup!
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March 13, 2010 12:22:06 AM

because a PC that is meant not for gaming, should have nice motherboard features, and the power supply is a good one. for cheap, although i did just find one better one. there is no cheaper motherboard for the features however.

i3 540 $139 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
P7P55D-E $139 USB3.0 SATA III free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
XFX HD-577X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 $154.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermaltake V9 Black Edition $65 after rebate and promotion code free shipping (this case is amazing for its price)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W $50 after rebate, free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 $96 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sony Optiarc Black DVD drive $24 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

~$757

and for the features that is pretty much the cheapest it can get, correct me if I'm wrong of course.

I still recommend the i5 750 setup, not because of the price but because gaming is not an intended feature, the graphics card on the i7 setup is mainly for videos and whatnot.
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March 13, 2010 12:27:21 AM

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because a PC that is meant not for gaming, should have nice motherboard features, and the power supply is a good one.

Why do you suggest worse MB and PSU for i5-750 setup then?

i3 540 $139 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 $124 USB3.0 SATA III free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
XFX HD-577X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 $154.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $90 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermaltake V9 Black Edition $65 after rebate and promotion code free shipping (this case is amazing for its price)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 $96 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sony Optiarc Black DVD drive $24 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL: $742
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March 13, 2010 12:28:40 AM

that motherboard does not work with the i3, that is why i changed it
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March 13, 2010 12:31:02 AM

thescarecrow said:
This rig won't be doing much if any gaming, but photography editing is pretty essential.


there is really no need for the 5770.

@thescarecrow

i recommend the i5 setup
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March 13, 2010 12:35:59 AM

i see, they must have added it in with a bios update.

in anycase the whole arguement is kinda pointless based on the fact that the 5770 is beyond what he needs and he will get more out of a good processor, for what he wants to do with the computer, than he will with a better graphics card.
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March 13, 2010 12:37:24 AM

Either processor is overkill for his need, so I suggest a much better GFX that will help not only in game but in HD media as well.
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March 13, 2010 12:42:12 AM

requiemsallure said:
he isnt playing games....

This is also the reason why he doesn't need i5-750 too.

In addition, better GFX will help not only in game but in HD media as well.
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March 13, 2010 12:43:36 AM

i3 can be easily OCed to 4.8GHz thanks to its 32nm architecture and will be more than enough for his need.
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March 13, 2010 12:44:53 AM

to be honest it is really up to him, we built two great systems, and i prefer the better processing power of the i5 while you prefer the better graphics capability of the 5770. either way he is going to get a great system can we not leave it at that?
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March 13, 2010 12:46:34 AM

Agree.
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March 13, 2010 12:55:46 AM

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Ask him about a AMD processor. Go for a good CPU, his parents are not going to game.

I will say it again.

GFX helps not only in game but in photo editing and HD media as well
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March 13, 2010 12:59:06 AM

Has anyone noticed the OP hasn't even posted 1 comment. :lol: 
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March 13, 2010 1:00:22 AM

I treat this kind of question as discussion. :lol: 
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March 13, 2010 1:12:26 AM

Anyone suggesting an LGA1366 rig needs to delete their post. Seriously, how can a workstation/enthusiast platform even be considered for a budget rig? This is for photo editing, it doesn't need massive amounts of GPU power. A low-end HD4000 card would be more than sufficient.

And overclocking to 4.8GHz? Come on, his/her parents are using an 8-year-old Pentium rig, and E1200 will be a quantum leap in performance for them (not suggesting that though). You don't need to suck every bit of performance possible out of the chip. Think about the context of this system, please.
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March 13, 2010 1:20:23 AM

Yes, he only needs i3+HD4xxx.

However, he is even willing to pay for an i7 which is much more than that.

Hence, I don't see the reason to skip HD5770.
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March 13, 2010 1:25:32 AM

andy5174 said:
However, he is even willing to pay for an i7 which is much more than that.

Perhaps out of ignorance though. Just because someone has lots of money to spend, doesn't mean we should recommend that they spend it. If he is dead set on spending money on an i7 then that's fine, but so far he hasn't given that indication. I don't know about you but I see "budget i7 build" and think "oxymoron."
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March 13, 2010 1:28:05 AM

randomizer said:
I don't know about you but I see "budget i7 build" and think "oxymoron."


You are right if he/she is in Oceania.

However, he is a darn lucky American who can get an i7 for merely $200.
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March 13, 2010 1:28:23 AM

to be honest the reason why i recommend what i do, is because it will last his parents a lot longer. however, you guys seem to disagree, thats fine by me. i will stick by what i believe however, and i apologize if this upsets you, i mean no offense what by stating my opinion, as it is an opinion. i do not think you should bash somebody for a post that is not at all offensive however.
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March 13, 2010 1:32:09 AM

requiemsallure said:
to be honest the reason why i recommend what i do, is because it will last his parents a lot longer. however, you guys seem to disagree, thats fine by me. i will stick by what i believe however, and i apologize if this upsets you, i mean no offense what by stating my opinion, as it is an opinion. i do not think you should bash somebody for a post that is not at all offensive however.

lasts a lot longer in the CPU power but much shorter in GPU power.

As CPU is overkill now, better gfx + worse CPU is better than better CPU + worse gfx IMO.

This is the reason why I got an i5-750, although I can afford an i7.
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March 13, 2010 1:33:58 AM

since we are talking about low end graphics it would be cheaper to upgrade the graphics when needed later anyway.

however, on this note you could probably build a Phenom ii x2(4) 555 system for cheaper, and that would sate everyone.
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March 13, 2010 1:34:31 AM

andy5174 said:
However, he is a darn lucky American who can get an i7 for merely $200.

It depends on what you define as "budget." $200 is more midrange to me.
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March 13, 2010 1:40:23 AM

randomizer said:
It depends on what you define as "budget." $200 is more midrange to me.

It is budget to me as it costs about $53NZD less than my i5-750. :( 
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March 13, 2010 1:41:52 AM

I was also thinking something along these lines, since they are only doing photo editing and basic computer use, the graphics card will probably not need to be upgraded for a good amount of time, and while the i3 wouldn't need to be upgraded for a while either, as programs evolve and improve, the support for threading will increase, and the i5 being a quad-core will last a lot longer, and offer more performance in the future, and the only need to upgrade will be the graphics card, which will be not for a great amount of time, since i don't expect operating systems and photoshop (bar incredibly heavy photoshop) to increase in graphical difficulty too quickly.

I do like the sound of that phenom ii x2(4) 555 though
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March 13, 2010 1:50:20 AM

A Phenom II 955/965 or i5 750 are sufficient IMO. An i3 or X2 would be fine if they did not get any better threaded software in the future. But we don't know if they will or not, or even what they're using now. Also, we don't know what kind of photography editing we're talking about here. Is this heavy usage of photoshop filters on massive images, or light touch-ups with a paint brush? I doubt an i7 is going to make a paint brush alot faster than an i3 would do it :p 
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March 13, 2010 1:53:56 AM

randomizer said:
A Phenom II 955/965 or i5 750 are sufficient IMO. An i3 or X2 would be fine if they did not get any better threaded software in the future. But we don't know if they will or not, or even what they're using now. Also, we don't know what kind of photography editing we're talking about here. Is this heavy usage of photoshop filters on massive images, or light touch-ups with a paint brush? I doubt an i7 is going to make a paint brush alot faster than an i3 would do it :p 

Yeah, I agree.

Since both i3 and i7 are extremely overkill for his parents' need, his parents won't be able to tell the difference between i3 and i7.
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March 13, 2010 1:59:11 AM

randomizer said:
A Phenom II 955/965 or i5 750 are sufficient IMO. An i3 or X2 would be fine if they did not get any better threaded software in the future. But we don't know if they will or not, or even what they're using now. Also, we don't know what kind of photography editing we're talking about here. Is this heavy usage of photoshop filters on massive images, or light touch-ups with a paint brush? I doubt an i7 is going to make a paint brush alot faster than an i3 would do it :p 


and that is a good point. OP needs to inform us of this i think.
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March 13, 2010 2:01:48 AM

I guess i just assumed that since it was an 8 year old dell, that it was minor photo editing.... :p  it would make sense. but we still need to know
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March 13, 2010 5:54:31 AM

Sorry, for the absence--finals week.

@Requiem: You definitely hit the nail on the head with that first build AND with the state of mind of my parents (the 'get the best now so it will last us into the future' mentality-- that's exactly what I needed. Ya I definitely don't want to drop down to i3. And I am thinking the 1156 socket would be best, if not just b/c I can buy RAM in sets of 2 rather than 3 (a la the triple channel 1336 setup), for its versatility. So, in the instance that I go for the i5 build, would you recommend the Gigabyte chipset over the Asus mobo? Also, due to the unlikelihood that they will be using two graffix cards or any heavy upgrading, do you think it might be worth the drop in $20 to go for a micro board?

@AMD people: Ya my rig is an AMD Phenom II x3 (unlocked 4th core)...and the chip runs great, stable, and reliable. My parents want mainstream though...meaning, what they hear/see on the tele-- which is obviously Intel. So Intel it is.

@Gaming Peeps: Haha forget giving my parents 5770, I want that for myself! My 4870 is awesome, but the step up would be superb. But ya, this is for my parents...and I don't think my mom is gonna be hittin up Empire: Total War anytime soon.

@Overclocking Peeps: The rig I'm trying to put together is supposed to last awhile...so I'll just be using the stock heatsink and no OC. (I have my X3 OC'd to 3.8 GHZ on air...pretty crisp...but I won't be doing the same for this build for longevity's sake).

@kdibaba: I do have a microcenter near home! That's where I got my last processor, and I was definitely planning on getting my processor and/or case there too. They always have the lowest deals on processors. Love that.

@Randomizer: Dude, anything can be a 'budget build'. Some of us don't make a decent income, so we can't just let the credit card fly. But I want the top for my parents, because 5 years from now, the "enthusiast" hardware will hopefully still hold its own as a solid platform...whereas the i3 will just be beaten into the dust. And when I mean 'budget', I mean trying to get the top equipment for the lowest dollar on a solid set-up. No my parents will most likely not utilize this power that they are asking for (I dont think they need hyper-threading for organizing photos), but my dad wants something "future-proof" b/c they will not be upgrading anytime soon, unless its RAM.


Thanks again everyone for the input. And sorry for the non-reply! Writing 15 pages has worn out my hands and typing some more was the last thing I wanted to be doing!
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March 13, 2010 10:40:20 AM

It might be worth it for the micro board, however i would have to take a look, i have to go to work soon.... maybe i can spare a little bit of time to look.

if not ill post back when i get to work and get settled.
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March 13, 2010 10:51:19 AM

thescarecrow said:
And sorry for the non-reply! Writing 15 pages has worn out my hands and typing some more was the last thing I wanted to be doing!


sorry for having to make you write more ;) 
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March 13, 2010 2:37:06 PM

i5-750 Quad Core $199.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 and CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 combo $204.98 free shipping
HD 5670 $94.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermaltake V9 Black Edition $65 after rebate and promotion code free shipping (this case is amazing for its price)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W and Seagate 7200.12 750 GB Combo $110 after rebates free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Sony Optiarc Black DVD drive $24 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
total $699 after rebates and promotional codes

NO SHIPPING COSTS!!! :)  $699 after rebates and promotional codes

i found the video card for cheaper, and..... it stayed cheap.

the ram is slightly worse for timings but for $30 cheaper with the combo deal it was too good to pass up.

found some good combo's
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March 13, 2010 10:56:03 PM

lol, i feel kinda bad now... im not accually all i do is take care of networks at my job.
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March 14, 2010 12:17:06 AM

Wow, you've helped me a lot mate. Thanks.

Ya unfortunately, I won't be buying parts for another few weeks (don't have the money in hand yet)-- but I would otherwise grab that graffx card. And 1333 RAM definitely helps. Not that 1066 is bad, but anything to make running more crisp is always a plus.

As for the mATX chipsets, I wasn't sure of the quality to price point...I mean, I found this Foxxcon board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for $75 with rebate...it's laugh out loud limited, but an 1156 for that price is attractive-- but that also definitely has me worried in terms of its reliability and whatnot. I'm sure I'll stick with the ATX boards, but I am really trying to consider all my options.
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March 14, 2010 12:28:23 AM

if you cannot buy for a week ill see what i can do to keep the price down and look for better deals as they come out. :) 
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