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January 7, 2010 4:27:24 AM

Okay, posted a second time in a topic about this to try and save time not making a second topic, but it was not replied to so I assume I !failed with that one. It was a bad idea.

Okay so basically... my 1,380 dollar build ain't happening. I'm not moving to full time for a while, got car repairs to make.. bleh. A lot less money than I thought I would have.

This is a second try at a build. I want to keep it i5, because at SOME point I am going to upgrade my computer to the full build, but for now, this is the best I could do.

Recommendations welcome. Please use newegg and tear the build apart, I just want it to still run games as well as possible.

Lowering of price is appreciated. Just keep it i5

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

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January 7, 2010 5:23:53 AM

^ You would need a better PSU...You can skimp on most of the things but not on the PSU...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

here are some options to reduce cost...
RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CASE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics card -
HD 4850 - It will be as powerful as that 9800GTX+ and for less...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - You wouldnt need USB 3.0 and SATA 6GB/s now...later on you can use add-on cards for those...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 7, 2010 1:40:49 PM

The PSY is 680 watts. Why would I go down to 500?

Secondly, does the full ATX board you linked me to have SATA? What kind of connectors does it have? I don't see any...

Lastly, the RAM is 1600, and neither of the boards you linked to run 1600.

Also, the DVD / CD reader I chose is cheaper. Please explain the choices you make. Sorry to ask that, but I really don't know why you chose it.
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January 7, 2010 11:48:33 PM

Bump. Still looking for advice.
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January 8, 2010 2:44:07 AM

1) The power is not the issue here but the quality...
That 500W PSU that I have linked will be more reliable than the 680W PSU that you have linked...
Reasons -
1. Active PFC(Power correction factor) - This will help in regulating the power being pulled from the wall socket...So what amount of power is required is only pulled from the wall socket...And the PSU that you linked doesnt have that so it will be very inefficient, all time pulling 680W from the wall socket...
2. 80+ certified - Higher the efficiency the better...

So the wattage doesnt matter much...first comes quality...'
Just check this...Same company, same wattage, but a huge price difference
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
Reason - better efficiency and Active PFC...but still the one that I had linked would be better as that is 80+ certified compared to these which have less efficiency...

2) The Full ATX board has all the standard connections required - SATA 3GB/s - 8 ports, 1 PATA, ...
Check the specs...

3) RAM - That mobo does support 1600MHz RAM...check that it has specified - DDR3 2200 - Which means upto that speeds, so DDR3 1600MHz will work on that board...

4) The DVD that you choose is an IDE drive - Thick cable, whereas the 1 that I had chosen is a SATA drive - Thinner cable...So less clutter inside the case...

So now it would be clear why I had chosen those components...but if you still have any doubts feel free to ask...
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January 8, 2010 2:56:43 AM

Wow I SUCK at reading specs. I could have sworn that there was nothing on Sata listed on any of the mobos. *headdesk* over and over and over again....

As far as the PSU, uh, yeah, you're right, me wrong, big time. My apologies, heh. What I get for being tired and posting.

The RAM, now THAT confuses me. I always see 1066/1333/2200... etc. I thought it meant only those certain ones would work. (th ones listed.) If not, would you mind explaining how that works to me? Thanks a lot in advance.

DVD? Wrong again, that's 3 strikes me for sheer tired braincells and stupidity.
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January 8, 2010 3:10:51 AM

Agreed with most of gkay09's suggestions.

Caviar green is fine for its low energy, but I'm assuming that with the parts you've chosen that you're looking for performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Pick your MX-2 up locally, $6 shipping? No thx! Though I guess you could pick up as5 for $4 less.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ freeze for $2 less :D 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But that's just extreme nitpicking.

You'll definitely save on the xms3s gkay recommended (taking shipping into consideration).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Though I prefer these ripjaws with its has tighter timings. $1 less than your g.skills (also taking free shipping into account)

As a case modder, I <3 the NZXT BETA EVO Classic. My one gripe with it is that it has no exhaust fan. Personally, I'd pick up a cheap $5 fan and stick it on the rear exhaust. Still, picking up this case (free shipping again) with a cheap fan is way more affordable than a 300 illusion at full price.

EDIT: Don't worry about it Justin. There are few boards that list higher ram speeds without listing the former, so its something that can get easily overlooked. But gkay is correct, you should be able to run a native 1600. However, cl and timings are also an important aspect to look at. Generally, 1333/1600 would suffice for the average consumer. Lower timings (for example, the g.skills you listed are 8-8-8-21 and the ones I have listed are 7-7-7-21) are applicably better; though the difference is marginal and hardly noticeable.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-870-1156,24...
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January 8, 2010 4:26:22 AM

@Justinm91 - As for the RAM, it doesnt mean that if the specified speed is not on the support list, then it is not supported...
The RAM support is like this -
If the mobo is compatible with RAM speeds say upto 2200MHz, then you can install any RAM with any speed LESS THAN or EQUAL TO 2200MHz...
It is not a fixed parameter but a parameter with a range of 800MHZ to 2200MHz...So you can choose any of the values that fall within those parameters...

As for suggestions made by vznoobie12, they are good...
Except for AS5...yes AS5 was a good one but has its negatives - Needs some curring time, Electrically conductive...
As for the RAM, like he said it wont matter much...so go with any of those...
CASE - +1 for a 120MM rear fan...
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January 8, 2010 2:08:52 PM

Also, as a note, I made some changes to more cost effective or performance effective parts and need a general idea of if these are worthwhile parts and how they stand up to the others. The parts are:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - 69.95 - Chose this for the cooling preformance mainly. It would be beneficial when I do ginally bust this thing into the fully blown computer I want it to be.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Power supply by gkay - I do wonder if 500 is enough though.

GPU - gkay's card.

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January 8, 2010 2:21:16 PM

IF you think you need more than the 500 get the 700W ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ) @ 79.99 it's $15 more but saves you $10 with the free shipping so actual cost before rebate is $5 more but has a $30 MIR vs $20 so net cost is $5 cheaper and you get the extra 200Watts !!

And if you're not firmly planted on the case then get this combo - ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... ) with the coolermaster HAF 922 case and OCZ 700W PSU for $149 - before $50 MIR's which makes the net cost $99 so you get the PSU pretty much for free with the case !! - It's a very good deal right now and the HAF 922 has some great airflow with the 120mm rear fan and 2 200mm fans (1 front and 1 top) !!
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January 8, 2010 8:18:30 PM

Well, the second issue is this won't be for another month or two, so I gotta wait and really see what deals and such they have then.
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