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January 7, 2010 12:59:56 PM

Approximate purchase date: within 1-2 weeks

Budget range: $2500 give or take.

System usage: gaming(watching HD videos on larger HDTV, I have High Def camcorder, would be cool to finally make some videos. Gaming, multiple applications not very intensive but run them all together. web, online college,

Parts not required: I'll need everything; except mouse

Preferred website for parts: New Egg I hear is very good.

Overclocking: Yes, in the future for/learning experience/fun

Crossfire: crossfire in the future if needed

Monitor resolution: 1920x1200

Additional comments: any comments especially on memory and PSU is very appreciated. would this build be cold enough for internal organs to be safe? SSD for operating system and applications to run very fast. 1TB of storage is plenty for me. Plan on buying extra monitors for dual/setup. replacing 6 year old desktop that my grandpa built, lol. Hope this build is future proof or can last for 4years or more. Here is what I picked out.

COOLER MASTER HAF932 Blue RC-932-KKN3-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail $150 after $20 instant rebate

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM $7.00

Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM $30.00

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ETA 1/12/2010 from new egg $85.00

ASUS EAH5870/2DIS/1GD5/A Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity - Retail $405 after $5 dollar rebate

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8TU-6GBPI - Retail $165.00

ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $299 after $10 rebate

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail $120 after $20 rebate

Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail $289

Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2M080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Retail $299.99

Saitek PK02 2-Tone 104 Normal Keys USB Standard Eclipse II Keyboard - Retail $53 after $7 rebate

SAMSUNG TOC T260HD Rose Black 25.5" 5ms HDMI Widescreen HDTV Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 10000:1(1000:1) Build in TV Tuner & Dolby Digital Surround Sound - Retail $330 after $40 rebate

LG Black 8X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-ROM SATA Internal Combo LG Blu-ray Reader & 16X LightScribe DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail $99.99

Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler - Retail $85

Logitech Z-2300 200 watts RMS 2.1 Speaker System - Retail $144.25 after $20 rebate.


Total around $2572.

Why I'm spending so much, probably because I won't be able to when I have kids here pretty soon. I want a sweet system that will rock for now. Oh will be doing windows 7 64 bit. Thanks again for you help.

jojo11

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January 7, 2010 1:10:34 PM

If I had this kind of coin, one thing I'd really want is a Blu-ray burner for backing up the 1000s and 1000s of pictures and videos you WILL be making after you make those babies. I have a Windows Home Server system and everything redundant and backed up but I'd feel even better if it were burned on a BD and stored somewhere safe.

Trust me on this. You will be taking 1000s and 1000s of pictures once you make that baby :-).

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January 7, 2010 1:14:37 PM

you can drop the dvd drive the bd rom can burn dvd's
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January 7, 2010 1:29:00 PM

Dougie Fresh said:
If I had this kind of coin, one thing I'd really want is a Blu-ray burner for backing up the 1000s and 1000s of pictures and videos you WILL be making after you make those babies. I have a Windows Home Server system and everything redundant and backed up but I'd feel even better if it were burned on a BD and stored somewhere safe.

Trust me on this. You will be taking 1000s and 1000s of pictures once you make that baby :-).




Hey thanks, what about this one Pioneer Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner Blu-ray Disc/DVD/CD Writer Model BDR-205BKS - OEM more like millions pics. lol wife goes crazy taking pictures of our pets, now just imagine a baby.
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January 7, 2010 1:49:01 PM

I think it's too early to get a Blu-ray burner, as they are far too expensive and not very fast at burning yet, I think you'd be better off just getting a Blu-ray drive that will burn normal dvds now and buy a Blu-ray burner when they are better and cheaper.
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January 7, 2010 2:32:07 PM

One thing you can consider doing is just making a P55 based build. You'll be able to fit in a 5970 into your budget as well as an i7-860. This would net a huge increase in gaming performance and a smaller increase in everything else (video encoding, rendering, etc)

With a 5970, you won't need to xfire as there is no game in the foreseeable future that will ever max it out at 1920 x 1200 since gaming companies are still programing for xbox 360/PS3 level of hardware which is 3 generations old now. This will be the case until the next gen consoles come out, which will be 2014 at the earliest.

In gaming, the i7-860 is better better than the i7-920 in terms of FPS, but has a much higher minimum FPS, making it a better gaming CPU than the i7-920.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=363...
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...

The ONLY weakness of the P55 platform, x8 PCIE lanes in xfire, is eliminated since with 1 5970 the ASUS has the same PCIE bandwidth as X-58.

The ONLY reason not to go with the P55 build is if for some crazy reason you want to Xfire 5970's.


CPU- i7-860 $279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HSF CM Hyper 212 Plus $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO Asus P7P55D-E Pro $189.99 (True USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 unlike the gigabyte UD4P's)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM G SKill DDR3 1600 7-8-7-24 $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - 5970 $649.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD's
SSD X25-M 80 gb $269.99 This is the OEm version so it's cheaper than the Newegg Retail one.
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch_v3.asp?scriteria=B...

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB $84.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case HAF 922 $99.98 $79.98 after MIR - Does everything the 932 does, cept it's cheaper. Fits a 5970 fine, the thing practically the same size as a 932.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You will however, need to get a 3.5" to 2.5" bay converter to fit an SSD.

3.5" to 2.5" bay converter for a SSD $7.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor Gateway 24" 1920 x 1200 $179.99 Same specs, but much cheaper. Built in TV tuner is more for a HTPC, and built in surround sound is pointless since you're getting a new speaker set.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU Corsair 850 TX $139.99 $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS Win 7 Premium $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Optical Drive LG Black 8X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-ROM SATA Internal Combo LG Blu-ray Reader & 16X LightScribe DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail $99.99 as others mentioned this burns DVD's fine.

Keyboard Saitek $52.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Speakers
Your choice is fine, but you may also consider Logitech X-540 70 watts 5.1 Speakers $88.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total Cost $2389.84 before $30 MIR and Shipping

$2475.1 if you buy the Newegg X25-M and you're choice of speakers. Before $30 MIR and Shipping

If you already have Win 7 then knock off $105 off that total.

With regards to future proofing for 2+ years, any Intel CPU socket you purchase now will no longer be used in ~2 years (following Intel's tick/tock roadmap). The 5970 is pretty safe a bet to max anything for the next 2-3 years. If you want to go a little over $2500 you can pick up a second monitor now, eyefinity looks great as long as you game supports it.
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January 7, 2010 2:43:53 PM

I looked at that Noctua HSF you wanted and while Frostytech hasn't reviewed it yet, it's performance doesn't appear to equal the CM Hyper 212 which is a fraction of its price.

Here you can see the CM Hyper 212 Plus vs the Noctua NH-U12P and the huge difference btwn the 2.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=241...

From here you can see that the difference btwn the Noctua NH-U12P and NH- D14 is a little less than the difference btwn the NH-U12P and Hyper 212 +.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/noctua_nhd14/4....

With the huge price difference and equal or inferior performance, I'd say go with the Hyper 212 +.

Edit: Take OCC HSF reviews lightly. Frostytech is considered the top and most respectable source in the world for HSF's, so you'd have to wait for their review to see the true abilities of the NH-U12P. I doubt that it's worth its price though.
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January 7, 2010 9:06:49 PM

banthracis said:
Wow newegg just deactivated that gateway monitor. Guess the deal was TOO good lol.

For $319 go for this Hanns G 28"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For $250 this Samsung 24"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or if you're ok with 1920 x 1080 This samsung 24" for $199
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Hey thanks for the replies. I have not looked at I7 860 cpu or the LGA 1156 MOBO. Will go and read reviews about these two. Was really eyeing the I7 920 but will read about the I7 860 to have and open mind. The 5970 is a beast but I don't know i will need that much power so just might stick with the 5870. I will go with the BD reader instead of burner as they are expensive. I will look more into the Hyper 212 + vs noctua. Noctua is way more expensive and really don't have experience to say this is better so your input is greatly appreciated. the haf 922 is it big enough for the 5870 and large heatsink fan? the reason i went with the 932 was it was full tower and reviews kept saying it had enough room to fit the huge video cards and large heat sink fans. I think the SSD that i picked comes with a converter. will have to double check that. what does OEM stand for. sorry, if that is a stupid question. The speakers I chose was because it only has three pieces but if the 5.1 sounds better and is cheaper than I am all for it. I really don't want to wait until next month for a 5970 but if it's a beast and will last me a long time with great results than I'm for it. Might have to find places in my build to cut cost down a little for the 5970. The LGA 1156 setup is cheaper and fast from the reviews on the site you gave me. can the I7 860 be overclocked with good results? I really want to try OC with the 920 because I hear it's pretty stable and easy to do and will get more bang out of it. Oh the power supply should that be a 850w instead of the corsair 750w if I choose the 5970. Thanks again. I know I still have more questions but can't think of them right now.
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January 7, 2010 9:40:37 PM

The 922 is not a mid tower, it's as big as most normal full towers and will easily fit the even a 5970 and the largest HSF available. The 932 is big enough to live in.

OEM just means it's doesn't come with manual, some extra wires and some other useless stuff. Manual you can DL online, extra wires don't need. Basically think of OEM as wholesale version, w/o the fancy packaging.

860 will potentially overclock higher than the 920, due to it's higher stock clock speed. Of course in reality every single CPU is different. A 920 i buy today might overclock to 4.3ghz, but one I buy tomorrow might only OC to 3.6 ghz.

It's just luck of the draw.

The 750TX will run a 5970 fine. However, if you wanna OC the 5970 and CPU then might as well have the extra headroom, no biggie though if you wanna save $30 w/ the 750TX.

SSD's don't come with a 3.5" to 2.5" bay converter. Some cases do, I'm not sure off the top of my head if the HAF 922 does.


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January 7, 2010 9:50:38 PM

ati reccomends 850 watts for crosfire 5970 and 650 for a single 5970
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January 8, 2010 2:02:36 AM

For starters... congrats on your decision to do a custom build. $2500 should get you a ridiculously nice gaming rig. Overall your build looks EXCELLENT and I'm only going to comment on the things that I feel strongly about...

Processor: i7-920 (or 930 if it's out at the same price) I have a socket 1156 system and I'm totally happy with it, but I had half the budget you have... $2500 should be on a 1366 platform. I know that this was your original choice, but I saw others recommending a 1156. Go with your gut on this one!

Cooler: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=248... It's not out just yet, but might be by the time you're ordering. I really don't think you'll do better than that... and besides... it looks AWESOME. Just give the review a read and you'll understand.

Speakers: I have the Logitech speakers you're looking at and they're good, but NOT great... and for the money I was honestly expecting more. Maybe it's the acoustics of my living space or maybe it's my onboard X-Fi sound... no matter... I've been underwhelmed by them and wish I could have a do-over on that decision.
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January 8, 2010 3:11:00 AM

It's out $62.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

I just didn't think an extra 2.5-2.8C was worth paying over double the price of the Hyper 212 Plus. But if you're into pushing the CPU to it's OC limit, then sure, go for it.


He could go 1366, but the question is why should he? If he gets a 5970 on P55 he gets a full x16 PCIE with 1 GPU. There's no point xfiring the 5970 as by the time anything comes out that'll require that, there will be much better GPU's.

Also the i7-860 beats the i7-920 on every single benchmark.

I guess to some people the i7-920 has some sort of mystic quality about it :D  but I mean, when you get down to the nitty gritty, the build would be $160 more and perform worse.
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January 8, 2010 4:59:07 AM

banthracis said:
It's out $62.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

I just didn't think an extra 2.5-2.8C was worth paying over double the price of the Hyper 212 Plus. But if you're into pushing the CPU to it's OC limit, then sure, go for it.


He could go 1366, but the question is why should he? If he gets a 5970 on P55 he gets a full x16 PCIE with 1 GPU. There's no point xfiring the 5970 as by the time anything comes out that'll require that, there will be much better GPU's.

Also the i7-860 beats the i7-920 on every single benchmark.

I guess to some people the i7-920 has some sort of mystic quality about it :D  but I mean, when you get down to the nitty gritty, the build would be $160 more and perform worse.



Well when I finally got the hint that the higher number didn't actually mean it was faster... I caved for the 860. LOL
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January 8, 2010 11:50:27 AM

Well, if you're going to Crossfire cards in the future, Toms said you should stick with the 1366 platform...

"Perhaps the biggest question answered here is whether we should have forgone the P55 solution in our most recent $2,500 PC build and the answer, of course, is yes."

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p55-pci-express-sca...
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January 8, 2010 12:00:30 PM

But we've already established he won't be xfiring in the future because he's getting a 5970, and by the time a games comes out that a 5970's can't max out, there's gonna be a much better GPU out.

So yea, no need for a 1366 :D 
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January 8, 2010 12:08:50 PM

way2game89 said:
Well when I finally got the hint that the higher number didn't actually mean it was faster... I caved for the 860. LOL



Lol Intel's naming schemes are completely arbitrary and nonsensical! I mean common, they made dual core CPU's and decided call the line Core 2, but then made quad cores, and decided to still call them core 2. Now they've made p55 and x58 i7's, an i5 quad core, and now a line of i5 dual cores!

Then there's the Xeon's, where every chip all ~ 120 of em, aimed at servers for the last decade has been called a Xeon of various numbers, despite completely different architecture, manufacture process and sockets...
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January 9, 2010 6:29:38 AM

banthracis said:
It's out $62.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

I just didn't think an extra 2.5-2.8C was worth paying over double the price of the Hyper 212 Plus. But if you're into pushing the CPU to it's OC limit, then sure, go for it.


He could go 1366, but the question is why should he? If he gets a 5970 on P55 he gets a full x16 PCIE with 1 GPU. There's no point xfiring the 5970 as by the time anything comes out that'll require that, there will be much better GPU's.

Also the i7-860 beats the i7-920 on every single benchmark.

I guess to some people the i7-920 has some sort of mystic quality about it :D  but I mean, when you get down to the nitty gritty, the build would be $160 more and perform worse.



I have been reading up on the p55 build and seems that it should be a great buy since I would only be adding great GPU and probably not crossfire, but on the other hand doing a x58 build I can see myself wanting to upgrade the cpu to an I9. would better high end cpu's be built for the 1156? I just kinda of feel that on the x58 build it could be more upgradeable than the 1156 in a year or 2. what do you think. thinks again for all of your info. I just can't decide since this is my first build. I decided that I will be doing SSD in raid 0. One of my friends did it this way and it is wicked fast!!!!
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January 9, 2010 1:57:21 PM

Well, in less than 2 years Sandy Bridge CPU's and 22nm sockets will be out so anything you buy now will be obsolete anyway...

Besides, I pretty sure they'll release a line of 1156 Sandy Bridge's. It would be unlike Intel to not milk as much money outta consumers while they can before switching to 22nm.

PC tech advances very fast, no point trying to make a PC upgradeable for over 2 years, cuz it's not gonna happen, (unless you go AMD socket 3, which they say they'll use for a few years).

What matters when building a PC is how it performs now.

If you always want a great PC, build a bang for the buck $1,500 build every year, sell last years one for ~$1,200 and you'll always be able to have a latest and greatest. Do it this way instead of building a new PC every 3-4 years for $1,500. You end up spending the same or less money and always have a great PC.

The only inconvenience is having to do a build every year. I personally do 4-5 builds a year btwn myself, friends and family so I don't care.
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