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January 3, 2010 8:16:00 PM

I'm going to build a new gaming system and I considered Quad-SLi GTX 295 + a dedicated PhysX card (GTS 250 512MB), but the new ATI Radeon HD 5970 seems more attractive. Is it worth dropping the PhysX card and the two GTX 295s for the HD 5970 and CrossFireX it later if need be? Is EyeFinity better than PhysX? I never had ATI before and I heard it was unstable in the past.

Other system specs:
• Case: SilverStone Raven RV01B-W Full Tower Case
• Power Supply: Tagan 1300W TG1300-U33 SuperRock
• CPU: Intel Core i7 920 @ 2.66GHz 8 MB cache
• Motherboard: Asus P6T Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel
• Memory: 6GB (3x2GB) PC16000 DDR3/2000mhz Triple Channel Memory
• Hard Drive: 2TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 32M Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive

I'm going to play games like Crysis, Mirror's Edge, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2...

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a b U Graphics card
January 3, 2010 8:37:58 PM

A 5970 is equal to two underclocked GTX295s in QuadSLi.
An overclocked 5970 is equal to two GTX295s in QuadSLi.

A GTX295 is equal to a 5870.


DX11 and eyefinity trumps PhysX. If you really want PhysX, just get a cheap 8x00 or higher series card as a 2nd PhysX card.
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January 3, 2010 8:44:55 PM

I'm going to play games at 1920 x 1080 resolution, but I don't want to upgrade my system again for at least 4 years.
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a b U Graphics card
January 3, 2010 8:50:23 PM

5970 or 5870 will both outlast the GTX295 by a few years.

1. DX11 support
2. Eyefinity
3. 5870 is single GPU solution equal to the GTX295 which is dual-GPU
4. The 5970 is dual-GPU but more powerful than the GTX295 which is also dual-GPU
5. 5870 uses less energy/runs cooler than a GTX925

The only problem with the 5970 is you need at least a good 750watt PSU, and the card is 13inches long, so you'll need a full-tower case.
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January 3, 2010 8:54:41 PM

Either wait (indefinitely) for Fermi, or jump on the AMD/ATI bandwagon. DX11 trumps PhysX... one day EVERYTHING will use DX11... PhysX? Meh... signs point to "no" on that one.

I just can't picture anyone buying a GTX295 at this point. If you have that kind of money to be throwing around, you deserve the best.
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January 3, 2010 9:05:55 PM

You've waited this long to buy a graphics subsystem. Fermi is just around the corner (nVidia's next gen of graphics cards). Why spend extra $$$ on power hungry, heat producing quad-sli solution, when you may potentially have the same capability in one or two Fermi cards (plus more bells chimes and whistles).

I say wait.... be patient. nVidia is just itching to blow AMD/ATI's 5970 out of the water, just like it did with previous generations.
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a c 228 U Graphics card
January 3, 2010 9:11:16 PM

First i gotta ask what resolution cause if it's 1920 x 1200 or below, it's overkill except for Crysis. Other than Crysis, either card alone can handle everything out there.

I'm also thinking you're may have trouble plugging in twin double thickness 295's / 5970's and a PhysX card into a MoBo / case.

Here's some comparisons, you will find that some games are skewed toward one platform or another so how things average out or which ones you play will be the primary consideration:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-310-5970,24...

"GeForce GTX 295 offers very notable gains over a single Radeon HD 5870 in the great majority of game titles"

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=885&...

Crysis Warhead (max / avg / Min fps)

5970 - 60/47/27

295 - 52/34/14

5870 - 44/34/18

Borderlands (max / avg / Min fps)

5970 - 146/99/62

295 - 146/108/50

5870 - 164/87/52

Eyefinity and PhysX are unrelated.....Eyefinity is basically multiple monitors, PhysX is taking the Physics load off the CPU and adding putting it on the GPU. If you wanna see what PhysX does look at this:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/batman_arkham_asylu...

You might consider twin 5870's and a dedicated PhysX card ....tho probably best performance obtainable at this point w/ PhysX would be tri SLI w/ 285's and a 4th card for PhysX in this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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I'm going to play games at 1920 x 1080 resolution, but I don't want to upgrade my system again for at least 4 years.


At your resolution those big cards and / Crossfire setups seems far more trouble than it's worth.....at your resolution, there's simply nothing to gain.

To Mix ATI and Nvidia BTW gonna need this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ATI-physx-patch...

I'd recommend a single 295 if PhysX is important except for the fact that prices are going up and not down as we should expect. A 5970 and dedicated PhysX card is an option for your budget, as is twin 5870's and a GTX 260 for PhysX which would kill at 2560 x 1600 ......but again, way overkill for no observable gain at 1920 x 1080

as for 4 years between upgrades....not gonna happen. I'd put the money away and upgrade the CPU and GFX right after XMas 2011. DX11 won't be very important at least until then and given the performance hit we see on games like Dirt 2, I don't think current generation cards will do very well with it the big games of that holiday season.

BTW, Power Supply is oversized (850 should be plenty), doubt you'll benefit from DDR 2000 w/ LN cooling and consider an SD with the money saved from not buying quad GFX. The Antec 1200 / CP-850 is hard to beat at $300

Finally I'd look at a MoBo with either SAS or 6 GB/s SATA and USb 3
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a b U Graphics card
January 3, 2010 9:22:47 PM

physx is pretty pointelss, a single 5870 will out-perform a a gtx 295 eventually through driver updates (it already does in many games, and others it comes very close)

a 5970 is by far the better option. no point going for an old architecture, when you can get dx11.
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January 3, 2010 9:36:23 PM

OK, if I were to build this system right now¬ how long would it last until I would have to upgrade again?
GRAPHICS: ATI Radeon HD 5970 (possible CrossFireX later)
• Case: SilverStone Raven RV01B-W Full Tower Case
• Power Supply: Tagan 1300W TG1300-U33 SuperRock
• CPU: Intel Core i7 920 @ 2.66GHz 8 MB cache
• Motherboard: Asus P6T Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel
• Memory: 6GB (3x2GB) PC16000 DDR3/2000mhz Triple Channel Memory
• Hard Drive: 2TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 32M Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive

My target is to build a system that will last, dose this mean I have to wait for newer components?
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a b U Graphics card
January 3, 2010 9:42:26 PM

I would get the 5970 & try to step up to a 30in or get 2 extra 24 inchers & setup Eyefinity.
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a c 260 U Graphics card
January 3, 2010 9:58:21 PM

battousaik said:
OK, if I were to build this system right now¬ how long would it last until I would have to upgrade again?
GRAPHICS: ATI Radeon HD 5970 (possible CrossFireX later)
• Case: SilverStone Raven RV01B-W Full Tower Case
• Power Supply: Tagan 1300W TG1300-U33 SuperRock
• CPU: Intel Core i7 920 @ 2.66GHz 8 MB cache
• Motherboard: Asus P6T Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel
• Memory: 6GB (3x2GB) PC16000 DDR3/2000mhz Triple Channel Memory
• Hard Drive: 2TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 32M Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive

My target is to build a system that will last, dose this mean I have to wait for newer components?


The system will run as well in 4 years as today, but your needs/desires might change. The best cards from 4 years ago are puny by today's standards.
If you will forever game at 1920 x 1200, then the system above will likely do. If you are such an avid gamer, then look at a 2560 x 1600 30" monitor. It is appropriate to go with the rest of the system. In time, you can either upgrade to a second 5970 or, sell the current one and get the next best thing.

Also, a 1300w psu is a waste. AMD requires a 850w psu with two 6-pin and two 8-pin power connectors for dual 5970's.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...
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a c 228 U Graphics card
January 3, 2010 10:06:56 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-310-5970,24...
Looking at the THG December roundup, we see that 13 price category wins go to DX10 cards and only 2 to Dx11 cards. I think that's a pretty strong indication of just how important Dx11 is today.

DX11's impact on Game Experience:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dirt-2-performance-...
Having said that, should you wait for a DirectX 11 card to play DiRT 2? Decidedly, no. The DirectX 9 code path is so slick and beautiful that it's almost impossible to notice the DirectX 11 enhancements while playing.

PhysX Impact on Game Experience:
However, when PhysX is enabled, it adds superlative nuances and really creates some “wow” moments. The chunky explosions, cloth effects, paper, fog, and environmental detail enhancements are very cool.....that the eye candy is a lot of fun to watch. Once you've turned it on, it's not something you'll turn off if your hardware can handle it.

No doubt, as game devs get to incorporate DX11 features into games, we will see much more from DX11....but we are not there yet. It took over two years to make Batman and most "impact" games hover on the 3 year development cycle. As we move on down the road, I expect DX11 will start to wow us between late summer and XMas 2011 but today's early Dx11 cards just won't have the power to deliver what these games offer. If you buy a DX11 card today, yes it will be able to play XMas 2011's big games ...albeit at reduced resolutions and features turned off. Even in a game like Dirt 2, where the DX11 enhancements are described as a "subtle increase in visual fidelity" the performance hit is describes as "colossal".

If as the OP originally posted, he isn't going to touch the box for 4 years....DX11 cards w/ a dedicated PhysX card for $65 is the way to go. But if, as most of here do, you are going to upgrade again between late summer and XMas 2011, the THG best picks from the December roundup are right on.
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January 3, 2010 10:18:00 PM

Hey, thanks for all the replies! If I were to wait for 2011’s components then what’s stopping me for waiting one more year after that. I’ve already waited two years to upgrade as the computer I have now is a budget system even by 2008 standards.
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a b U Graphics card
January 3, 2010 10:21:47 PM

Buy a 5970, anybody who advises you to get a 295 needs a hard punch in the face for being so f%^£$ stupid.
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January 4, 2010 3:35:40 AM

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Buy a 5970, anybody who advises you to get a 295 needs a hard punch in the face for being so f%^£$ stupid.

very true, 295's are over priced for their age and technology

the 5970 has a better longevity
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a c 216 U Graphics card
January 4, 2010 3:55:48 AM

What graphics card do you have now?

If you have something like an 8800gt, you could get the 5970 and use your old card for a dedicated physX card using a work around for the stop that Nvidia applied to it's drivers. http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/633137-... is one such workaround.
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January 4, 2010 10:03:57 AM

bystander said:
What graphics card do you have now?

If you have something like an 8800gt, you could get the 5970 and use your old card for a dedicated physX card using a work around for the stop that Nvidia applied to it's drivers. http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/633137-... is one such workaround.


How would I step up a dedicated PhysX card considering my main graphics adpater is ATI? Could I use the GTS 250?
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a c 216 U Graphics card
January 4, 2010 2:40:52 PM

Yes, just click on the link I gave you. If you have a 2nd monitor to extend your desktop, you can skip step 2 and just plug your 2nd monitor in it.

I'm currently have it setup, and it's working well.

Here, follow this guide: http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/633137-...
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January 4, 2010 5:03:40 PM

I've heard Fermi mentioned. Will it be the next gen GeForce series because is seems more of a professional solution, like Quadro FX, from what I read from Nvidia's site. Can someone give me clearer information on this?
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January 4, 2010 5:44:33 PM

battousaik said:
I've heard Fermi mentioned. Will it be the next gen GeForce series because is seems more of a professional solution, like Quadro FX, from what I read from Nvidia's site. Can someone give me clearer information on this?


No one knows for sure what all it will be released for, but the last I read, they were planning on having Fermi be the top of the line cards in the 300 series, and use their old technology for the mainstream graphics cards.

Top of the line could mean Quadro, but it could also mean the high end gaming cards too.
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January 10, 2010 1:12:31 AM

I've finally stepped away from the retail PC's and finally built my own rig. Main componets are as follows: Corsair Obsidian 800D case, Evga X58 760 SLI mobo, Intel 920 cpu, Thermalright ultra eXtreme 120 cooler, Corsair HX1000W psu, Intel 80G ssd, 2 1.5TB WD hd's, 2 LG Blu-ray burners, 12G of Patriot 1600MHz G series ram. I currently have an old Ati Radeon HD4850 1GB video card, which brings me to this forum. I've been trying to decide on a good choice. From what i've read it seems like the 5970 is overkill and a waste of money. I'm trying to decide between this card (5970) and the Evga Gtx 295. I've located one (Gtx 295) for about $300 that was used a short time for benchmark purposes. I am fairly new to this and have recently started gaming. Regarding the screen resolutions that have been mention I don't think the 5970 would be of any use as my single monitors max resolution is only 1920x1080(Samsung P2570). Any suggestions on either card, or things I should look out for if I decide to purchase this used card would be greatly appreciated.
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a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2010 1:36:24 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-310-5970,24...
Looking at the THG December roundup, we see that 13 price category wins go to DX10 cards and only 2 to Dx11 cards. I think that's a pretty strong indication of just how important Dx11 is today.

DX11's impact on Game Experience:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dirt-2-performance-...
Having said that, should you wait for a DirectX 11 card to play DiRT 2? Decidedly, no. The DirectX 9 code path is so slick and beautiful that it's almost impossible to notice the DirectX 11 enhancements while playing.

PhysX Impact on Game Experience:
However, when PhysX is enabled, it adds superlative nuances and really creates some “wow” moments. The chunky explosions, cloth effects, paper, fog, and environmental detail enhancements are very cool.....that the eye candy is a lot of fun to watch. Once you've turned it on, it's not something you'll turn off if your hardware can handle it.

No doubt, as game devs get to incorporate DX11 features into games, we will see much more from DX11....but we are not there yet. It took over two years to make Batman and most "impact" games hover on the 3 year development cycle. As we move on down the road, I expect DX11 will start to wow us between late summer and XMas 2011 but today's early Dx11 cards just won't have the power to deliver what these games offer. If you buy a DX11 card today, yes it will be able to play XMas 2011's big games ...albeit at reduced resolutions and features turned off. Even in a game like Dirt 2, where the DX11 enhancements are described as a "subtle increase in visual fidelity" the performance hit is describes as "colossal".

If as the OP originally posted, he isn't going to touch the box for 4 years....DX11 cards w/ a dedicated PhysX card for $65 is the way to go. But if, as most of here do, you are going to upgrade again between late summer and XMas 2011, the THG best picks from the December roundup are right on.


This is extremely misleading Jack and you know it.

1. DiRT2's min problem is that DX11 was patched in so the performance hit is colossal while the visual improvements are nil.
2. PhysX is dead, you forgot to mention that. There may be ONE more game that benefits tangibly from PhysX, but that might even be pushing it. Did you mention that Crysis still has the best in game physics of all time. and it was patched to incorporates PhysX, and only does so minimally.
3. Yes in a little over a year we should start seeing some nice DX11 games, which is why you buy a DX11 card now. Most people don't upgrade their GPUs more than every 2 years or so.
4. Why should he waste ANY money, even $65, on dead technology?
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a b U Graphics card
January 10, 2010 1:57:42 AM

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Why should he waste ANY money, even $65, on dead technology?


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a c 228 U Graphics card
January 10, 2010 6:02:40 PM

AMW1011 said:
This is extremely misleading Jack and you know it.

1. DiRT2's min problem is that DX11 was patched in so the performance hit is colossal while the visual improvements are nil.
2. PhysX is dead, you forgot to mention that. There may be ONE more game that benefits tangibly from PhysX, but that might even be pushing it. Did you mention that Crysis still has the best in game physics of all time. and it was patched to incorporates PhysX, and only does so minimally.
3. Yes in a little over a year we should start seeing some nice DX11 games, which is why you buy a DX11 card now. Most people don't upgrade their GPUs more than every 2 years or so.
4. Why should he waste ANY money, even $65, on dead technology?


Buying a 57xx DX11 card now for games of 2011 gets you one thing....it gets you a card that says DX11 on it but simply can't play DX11 games at 1920 x 1200 or above. The 5770 is wholly incapable of playing Dirt2 even w/ it's minimal incorporation of DX11.....today's hi end cards, once DX11 games of XMas 2011 hit will be in the same boat.

Just because someone pops on a forum and says PhysX is dead, I don't see the industry following suit. Ya may have noticed Asus's recent introduction of special PhysX MoBos and EVGA's recent introduction of matched GPU's w/o on board PhysX .... given the millions of dollars in investment I see hardware companies making in the technology versus your forum posting, I gotta go w/ the industry big wigs .....they get those the 6-7 figure salaries cause they get paid to know what they are doing. Asus and EVGA didn't get where they were today by continuously making bad decisions.

The success if both technologies will depend upon just what game developers do with it. If game devs incorporate PhysX like they did in Mirror's Edge, PhysX won't have much of a future....if done like Batman, people will be impressed and look for the technology. If DX11 continues with Dirt2 and Battleforge type of implementations, DX11 will be another dud like DX10. I for one will be looking for both to succeed .... though I am not much of a gamer. But if $65 gets people what I saw in Batman, I'd lay out out in heartbeat. Apparently there's enough ATI fans playing w/ PhysX to drive this thread past the 1,000 post mark in a few days.

http://www.ngohq.com/graphic-cards/16223-nvidia-disable...

If $65 is a big deal to you, then by all means opt out. That's less half the cost of a ticket to a pro sports game and certainly provides more hours of entertainment.
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a c 216 U Graphics card
January 10, 2010 6:11:31 PM

Just because someone says a 57xx can't handle DX11, doesn't mean it is so, either. What you really mean to say is the 57xx cards probably cannot handle tessellation in any forseeable games.

DX11 <> tessellation

DX11 does make tessellation availible, but there are many performance enhancing aspects of DX11 as well. The question is, how many will develope code for DX11 that include it's performance enhancements?

Here is one example of what I'm talking about: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/articles.php?articleid=14...
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January 10, 2010 6:24:59 PM

Aaagh i hate you guys, I feel stupid for getting a GTX 295 now :cry: 
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February 1, 2010 10:07:49 PM

yannifb said:
Aaagh i hate you guys, I feel stupid for getting a GTX 295 now :cry: 


Well, don't feel stupid, that card still rocks.

As for the poster, get a 5970 of course. It's much newer and faster.
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March 2, 2010 11:01:53 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
A 5970 is equal to two underclocked GTX295s in QuadSLi.
An overclocked 5970 is equal to two GTX295s in QuadSLi.

A GTX295 is equal to a 5870.


DX11 and eyefinity trumps PhysX. If you really want PhysX, just get a cheap 8x00 or higher series card as a 2nd PhysX card.



uhh,a 5970 is most definitely no where near 2(two) 295 gtx cards,its actually just a "little" faster than one
and if the 295 gtx(old tech)had gddr5 memory it would flatten a 5970,so that being "FACT"imagine
the Fermi architecture cards(at least 1.5 to 3x faster than gtx 200 architecture)with gddr5 memory
would crush,flatten,destroy or just plain embarass a 5870,5970 system easily and i know they're not
going to cost $750 when they come out due to the competitive nature of nvidia vs ati(good for us)
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March 2, 2010 11:09:22 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
A 5970 is equal to two underclocked GTX295s in QuadSLi.
An overclocked 5970 is equal to two GTX295s in QuadSLi.

A GTX295 is equal to a 5870."bull$hit?perhaps?


DX11 and eyefinity trumps PhysX. If you really want PhysX, just get a cheap 8x00 or higher series card as a 2nd PhysX card.



wow,are you ever misinformed,there's even less dx11 games then there are physics games first of all so that's one for physics
a 295 gtx is damn near as fast as a 5970 card ,NOT one 5870 card?were are you getting your incorrect information FROM?
this is toms hardware and according to them a 295 gtx is 3rd,first being 2 5870's in crossfire,second being a 5970 and third
being a 295 gtx.one 5870 is nowere near a 295gtx(laughs)you really wish im afraid,but nope not today,sorry bud???

this of course varies from benchmark to benchmark but its pretty common knowledge unless your referring to
gaming on a pair or trio of 30" lcd's which isnt very common but in that case the 5870/5970 does certainly have an advantage.
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a b U Graphics card
March 2, 2010 11:27:18 PM

crossfire kid. do some research, you are an idiot. and quite blatantly an nvidia fanboy spreading incorrect information.



and plenty more where that came from if you do some goddamn research.

an overclocked 5970 is equal to to GTX295s in the majority of tests.
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a b U Graphics card
March 2, 2010 11:42:32 PM

One 5970(dual gpu card) is faster than the old King the gtx295(dual gpu card). Its wrong to assert that a 5970 is faster than the GTX295 in crossfire, in some/MANY games they (dual gpu cards) just won't scale any more.
Look at the graph you just posted, the 5970 scores only 3fps faster with a 300mhz o/c and a voltage mod ? Can we say fps limitation ?
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a b U Graphics card
March 2, 2010 11:52:46 PM

of course, but thats not what we were discussing.

the fact is, and overclocked 5970 IS equivalent to SLId 295's. weather or not there is a limitation, both cards would be limited equally anyway.

saying that : 'uhh,a 5970 is most definitely no where near 2(two) 295 gtx cards,its actually just a "little" faster than one
and if the 295 gtx(old tech)had gddr5 memory it would flatten a 5970

is beyond stupidity, its incredibly moronic. and this guy ranting about DX11 and Physx only makes him look worse.

im not saying that either setup is worth while at standard resolutions, but tyhe point is a 5970 is vastly superior to the gtx295, in just about every game or situation imaginable.
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March 3, 2010 11:56:33 AM

welshmousepk said:
crossfire kid. do some research, you are an idiot. and quite blatantly an nvidia fanboy spreading incorrect information.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/welshmouse/ocradeonHD597002.gif

and plenty more where that came from if you do some goddamn research.

an overclocked 5970 is equal to to GTX295s in the majority of tests.


theRE IS 7 fps difference dumbass,read YOUR GRAPH? you will not ever notice this difference ,i would consider these damn near equal wouldnt you?
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March 3, 2010 12:06:00 PM

welshmousepk said:
of course, but thats not what we were discussing.

the fact is, and overclocked 5970 IS equivalent to SLId 295's. weather or not there is a limitation, both cards would be limited equally anyway.

saying that : 'uhh,a 5970 is most definitely no where near 2(two) 295 gtx cards,its actually just a "little" faster than one
and if the 295 gtx(old tech)had gddr5 memory it would flatten a 5970

is beyond stupidity, its incredibly moronic. and this guy ranting about DX11 and Physx only makes him look worse.

im not saying that either setup is worth while at standard resolutions, but tyhe point is a 5970 is vastly superior to the gtx295, in just about every game or situation imaginable.



and also 5 to 10 fps is VASTLY SUPERIOR? are you an ati salesman?or just an idiot yourself?
i own ati and nvidia cards,every statement ive made has merit,think if a 295 gtx currently
had gddr5,it would kill a 5970 wouldnt it?if theres 10 /12 fps difference now would gddr5
memory not close that gap immediately?YES,THIS IS HYPATHETICAL but my point is nvidia,s
LAST GENERATION TECH is already running at 3 or 5 % behind the speed of current NEW
ati hardware.its not enough,sorry ITS TOO LITTLE,FOR TOO MUCH MONEY,am i right?

whats going to happen with fermi?ATI DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH OF A LEAD,YES THE 5970 IS THE BEST CARD,TODAY!!
but TOMMOROW,im sorry but its reign is very short lived as usual,im just making a statement,im not saying your an
idiot with ati blinders on am i?ive had all the best hardware from ati and nvidia,but think about what i said,ok?
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March 3, 2010 12:10:51 PM

welshmousepk said:
crossfire kid. do some research, you are an idiot. and quite blatantly an nvidia fanboy spreading incorrect information.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/welshmouse/ocradeonHD597002.gif

and plenty more where that came from if you do some goddamn research.

an overclocked 5970 is equal to to GTX295s in the majority of tests.


The problem I see with your chart here, is that you show 1 Game, and that game is at 1680x1050, far lower than the OP is going to play at (not to mention it's more CPU dependant, so of course 2 GPUs will show better performance than 4. Do you have more links that show 1920*1080?? Different games??

Not saying that you're not right, just that the chart doesn't show us anything.
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March 3, 2010 12:17:43 PM

welshmousepk said:
crossfire kid. do some research, you are an idiot. and quite blatantly an nvidia fanboy spreading incorrect information.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/welshmouse/ocradeonHD597002.gif

and plenty more where that came from if you do some goddamn research.

an overclocked 5970 is equal to to GTX295s in the majority of tests.



hey bud

no need to throw stones,is there?sorry my rig is faster than yours too,ha ha
but seriously,i love ati but they seem to just do"just enough"never too much
and really bud,a 295 gtx is faster than your 5870,its common sense,yes you have
eyefinity but theres issues with that,yes you have dx11 but there's issues with
that too.theres no vast superiority here that i can see anywere,is there?

ati relys too heavily on using faster memory as a stop gap measure,dont you think?
nvidia is also kind of arrogant,stupid in many cases,recycles gpu's far too often and
is overpriced as well.theyre not perfect either,but without each other they would
both suck and development and innovation would stagnate,prices would skyrocket.

so,give up the name calling and dont be blinded by 10 fps,ok bud
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2010 4:18:28 PM

welshmousepk said:
crossfire kid. do some research, you are an idiot. and quite blatantly an nvidia fanboy spreading incorrect information.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/welshmouse/ocradeonHD597002.gif
and plenty more where that came from if you do some goddamn research.
an overclocked 5970 is equal to to GTX295s in the majority of tests.


I think you mean to say an overclocked 5870 is equal to the GTX295 in the majority of the tests.

A non-overclocked/stock 5970 beats the GTX295 with ease. An overclocked 5970 will pummel the GTX295 with a spiked club.
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March 3, 2010 4:38:21 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
I think you mean to say an overclocked 5870 is equal to the GTX295 in the majority of the tests.

A non-overclocked/stock 5970 beats the GTX295 with ease. An overclocked 5970 will pummel the GTX295 with a spiked club.

I gues this is a case of wishful thinking , Heres a review published here

The very reason ATI made the 5970 was because the 5870 just plain couldn't measure up to the GTX295 as shown here.
Again and Again and Again.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433...



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March 3, 2010 5:00:53 PM

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I think you mean to say an overclocked 5870 is equal to the GTX295 in the majority of the tests.

your all right,i retract my previous statements
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March 3, 2010 5:11:36 PM

How long do you think until crossfirekid is banned from the site?
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March 3, 2010 5:28:31 PM





THANK YOU for pointing this out to people,ive been offered to trade my 295 gtx for a 5870 card,i flat out refused
BECAUSE ITS SLOWER....dx11 is just a word of the day,game developers are just starting to get dx10 into games
and utilizing it properly,imagine how long it will take before a proper dx11 optimized game will be seen by the
general public.

im honestly not impressed by ati's attempt this time around,they seem to always just do enough to surpass nvidia
instead of blowing them out of the ******* water.HEY,I USE AMD,i always cheer for the underdog,i ve used ati cards forever

heres a little list of A.T.I cards ive had ,just the closer to top of the line ones:

ati rage,ragepro,aiw from rage aiw to 9800gt aiw
ati x700pro agp
atix800 agp
ati x800xl
ati x850xt platinum edition -pci-e(THIS WAS $40 USED,I LOVED IT)
ati x1650 pro
ati x1800 xt(prototype card using a laptop gpu/still have and use it)
ati x1900gt (two of them in crossfire,i beat prey with these,lol)
ati x1950pro agp
ati x1950 pro(STILL HAVE BOTH OF THESE BABIES)
ATI HD 2900 PRO
ATI HD 2900 XT(paid $30,sold next day for $120)
ATI/HIS 3870
ATI/HIS 3870X2(LOVED THIS CARD)
ATI/ASUS 3870X2(JUST BOUGHT AND SOLD THIS ONE)
ATI 4870(BOUGHT IT ,USED FOR A WEEK AND SOLD IT)

and now nvidia :
nvidia geforce 100 agp(first video card i ever bought 1998)
nvidia 6200 agp(terrible,sold after 2 days)
nvidia 6600gt(ive had at least 10 of these easily)
nvidia 6800 ULTRA(BOUGHT AND SOLD)
nvidia /asus 7900gtx kingkong-(still have and use this one)
nvidia /galaxy 9600 gt oc(still have it,used for physics or graphics)
nvidia/bfg 8800 gt oc(had 2 in sli,loved them)
nvidia /asus 9800gtx+(had 2 of these in sli,TRADED FOR MY 295 GTX -I STILL USE IT NOW)
nvidia BFG 295 GTX -I ABSOLTELY LOVE THIS CARD,I STILL USE IT DAILY
NVIDIA XFX 9800GTX+(IM USING IT NOW FOR PHYSICS)

so im actually more of an ATI FANBOy than NVIDIA
AND USUALLY BUY WHATEVER HAS THE MOST CARD FOR THE LEAST MONEY AVAILABLE
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March 3, 2010 9:12:55 PM

Ugh to the "genius" who thinks the gtx 295 is faster than the 5970, you're completely wrong... Don't say im a fanboy- look at my sig i have a 295...

Oh and you said the difference between the 5970 and 295 was only 7 fps- actually read and you will see that ONE 5970, OCD was 7 fps faster than 2 295'S IN QUAD SLI...
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March 3, 2010 10:22:50 PM

bystander said:
How long do you think until crossfirekid is banned from the site?



why would that happen,someone else on ati's payroll?

for the record,I NEVER SAID A 295 GTX IS FASTER THAN A ATI 5970,thats pretty stupid

reread what i did say,A 295 GTX BEATS A 5870 TRUE?OR FALSE?true i guess from my readings?

my point is the ati cards should be faster than they are,why make a card thats only just a few percent better than the last gen,nvidia cards?

yes,they have new wonderful technology,great but really for a $750 card,the 5970 should be frigging AMAZING,SHOULDNT IT?



ALSO ,GUESS WHAT?
the nvidia GTX 470 and the GTX 480 are in production and ready to be viewed and used very soon,ladies and gents.

so,oh oh,sorry guys n gals and early dx11 ati adopters,fermi is just about here so damn,its gonna RAIN RED BLOOD
FROM THE BRINGER OF GREEN DEATH-NVIDIA WAHAHAHA,just being silly but honestly these look like some very nice cards
and a complete remake,NOT ANOTHER G92 REBADGING,I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT ANYWAY,i would like to see a 295 gtx
with gddr5 memory though,its a stupid hypothetical dream but i WANNA SEE IT,please do it somebody,frankenvidia a card!!!
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March 3, 2010 10:41:36 PM

Crossfirekid, why did you gravedig?

Seriously, STFU on your retard rants.

Look at the jump from the 8000 series to 9000 series, OMG!
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March 3, 2010 10:43:49 PM

The problem with the fermi cards, as much as i want a double GPU one, is that they are too hot and large to have dual gpu cards. There is even a special case to use the Fermi cards in sli.
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March 3, 2010 10:49:18 PM

I just wish for Crossfirekid to use grammar, and FFS put a space [ ] after a comma.
You:
OMG,Fermi's here,ATI will die
Correct:
Hello, I am an idiot
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March 4, 2010 12:15:37 AM

I believe your post style in the post to proove why you shouldn't banned is exactly what leads me to believe you won't last long here.
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March 4, 2010 12:49:10 AM

i don't need to say much more it seems, everyone else has it covered.

a couple things though: dx11 is a word of the day? a truly idiotic statement.

the GTX480? you mean the 700 dollar card that still isn't out? the one thats considerably slower than ATI's 100 dollar cheaper 5970? yeah, you are right to brag about it...

im no fanboy, i simply observe the facts and make my purchases accordingly. yes, the gtx295 is faster than a 5870, marginally. i never disputed that. you had originally claimed that a 5970 was barely faster than a 295. when in fact, it is almost twice as powerful (considering how, overclocked, it beats out QUADFIRED 295s)

the person calling out the benchmark i linked. it doesnt matter how close the results are, it was comparing a 5970 to SLId 295s, so it still proves the superiority of the card. id used a lower resolution benchmark becuase the troll has actually said that 'the 5870 is only useful at huge resolutions no one uses'.

there are dozens more benchmarks on the net, of newer games at higher resolutions, that show a much bigger gap between the 295 and the 5970. its not hard work to find them, so don't expect me to do it for you.

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March 4, 2010 4:13:50 AM

welshmousepk said:
i don't need to say much more it seems, everyone else has it covered.

a couple things though: dx11 is a word of the day? a truly idiotic statement.

the GTX480? you mean the 700 dollar card that still isn't out? the one thats considerably slower than ATI's 100 dollar cheaper 5970? yeah, you are right to brag about it...

im no fanboy, i simply observe the facts and make my purchases accordingly. yes, the gtx295 is faster than a 5870, marginally. i never disputed that. you had originally claimed that a 5970 was barely faster than a 295. when in fact, it is almost twice as powerful (considering how, overclocked, it beats out QUADFIRED 295s)

the person calling out the benchmark i linked. it doesnt matter how close the results are, it was comparing a 5970 to SLId 295s, so it still proves the superiority of the card. id used a lower resolution benchmark becuase the troll has actually said that 'the 5870 is only useful at huge resolutions no one uses'.

there are dozens more benchmarks on the net, of newer games at higher resolutions, that show a much bigger gap between the 295 and the 5970. its not hard work to find them, so don't expect me to do it for you.


then this guy says " the 5970 beats the 295 gtx by a huge margin "gives me a benchmark chart with 12 fps difference?
from 145 to 157fps,what in the hell is going to be the difference,TELL ME PLEASE"SWEET F ALL, piss poor argument
and a fail on your part.my point all along was there isnt enough of a gap between the two cards for me to be impressed
the single gpu 5870 is almost as much as the 295 gtx and it fails,the 5970 isnt really as fast as it should be either.


you guys get so upset about the fact your early adopters of hardware( thats already showing the usual ati driver issues),
or dreamers(the one poor fellow has an ati, what 4670 or something,thats somewhat pathetic,you should have a
basic starting level of hardware before you can even post on here)why would he even discuss hardware he couldn't
possibly understand or ever own?its kind of like he owns a moped but is a critic of superbike racing?its ridiculous actually
a sad joke,sad sad joke,sorry guys."wait i have a electric scooter,can i race with you guys,he asks excitedly"

the next item is any new development is awesome but it never seems to get utilized,so its smoke and mirrors again,dx11 is great
but how many years are we going to have to wait to see a real difference in dx9 to dx10 to dx11 games,effects,graphics that really matter?
how is dx11 the end all to be all,or the most amazing thing since sliced bread,explain it to me because the difference looks nice but
maybe its just that the ati cards cant compute the dx11 effects that efficiently"or the drivers still dont work"lol,nice discussion guys
but really dont get so upset,ok?and "ohhh,i hate your grammar,wtf is that?grow up a little bit,ok girls,oh and boys too, <--see it,its a space

"oh im so angry, sheeesh" theres no space or comma,oh my god god.get over it fool?
what would you so if you saw a teenagers text message,you might go into traction or
have a little temper tantrum/seizure and have to see your therapist AGAIN TODAY,lol

anyway ive had enough,go play a game or something ok guys
dont waste money on awesome hardware(like the 4670,lol)
and just whine on forums,man up and game a little bit.
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