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Nvidia GTX 380 put Nvidia back on top?

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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 2:10:20 AM

Right now, it's anyone's guess.
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 2:13:22 AM

Methinks this is gonna be NV30 / Geforce FX series all over again. That's how it's gone so far and IMO it's probably gonna stay that way.
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January 5, 2010 2:22:39 AM

There is no question that the 380 will be faster than the 5870 or that the dual GPU version will be faster than the 5970. The question is, how much is it going to cost, and will it be much faster in DX11 games when AMD got this big of a head start with developers?
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January 5, 2010 2:47:04 AM

megamanx00 said:
There is no question that the 380 will be faster than the 5870 or that the dual GPU version will be faster than the 5970. The question is, how much is it going to cost, and will it be much faster in DX11 games when AMD got this big of a head start with developers?

No question? That hasn't been established yet, IMHO, especially with regards to the dual-gpu part (which will probably be power constrained).
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January 5, 2010 2:59:22 AM

The G300 seems like its going to be one massive chip, so im not sure they're going to be able to do a dual card at all. I would imagine that the GTX 380 would be a pretty fast card though.
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 3:23:54 AM

It's still two-three months away.... >_<
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January 5, 2010 3:47:15 AM

megamanx00 said:
There is no question that the 380 will be faster than the 5870 or that the dual GPU version will be faster than the 5970.


Actually there's ALOT of questions about that gaming performance which is a huge mystery with no baseline to compare to; and ALSO whether they can even make a dual GPU card prior to a process change (will it even fit within PCI-SIG spec of 300W).

Plus, we don't have any idea how the back end will work in a dual card configuration either, the shader/compute part should scale very well, which goes along with it's CGPU intended us; but like we saw with the HD2900, large shader/math advantage can be wasted if it's not put to good use by the back-end.

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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 3:51:38 AM

From the huge die size I'm guessing that it will have great performance, but a exact replay of the GT200; hot, pricey, low-yielding, power-hungry.

They might make a X2 of the card by exceeding the 300W limit & using: 8-pin, 8-pin, PCI-E slot. Thus giving them 150W + 150W + 75W = 375W.

The 5970's Vapor cooling solution is designed to cool 400W, so using 2 8-pins & a tweaked version of the 5970's cooler they can probably make it, but it'll be at least a $800 card.


Just my 2 theories.
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January 5, 2010 4:08:14 AM

sabot00 said:

They might make a X2 of the card by exceeding the 300W limit & using: 8-pin, 8-pin, PCI-E slot. Thus giving them 150W + 150W + 75W = 375W.


I didn't mean that the 300W limit was a physical one, it's a compliance one (can't sell as a certified rig with a single slot device pulling over 300W at stock). I think the physical limitation will be more about managing clean power on the card, and then complexity of the PCB. Whether it makes any sense whatsoever producing such a card with a chip that's already having clock & yield troubles.

The 5970's Vapor cooling solution is designed to cool 400W, so using 2 8-pins & a tweaked version of the 5970's cooler they can probably make it, but it'll be at least a $800 card.
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The 5970's Vapor cooling solution is designed to cool 400W, so using 2 8-pins & a tweaked version of the 5970's cooler they can probably make it, but it'll be at least a $800 card.


I think they'd really need to tweak that cooler to account for residual heat and also for non-20c ambient, and for all that I think your price is a little low unless they launch it well after the summer once yields and memory prices improve.

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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 4:09:30 AM

I was originally going to say $1000 but I was being nice to nVidia.
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 3:05:47 PM

Nvidia would be wise to open at a low price, otherwise, it's going to be a rough year, regardless of if they take the performance crown back or not. It's a dirty game right now and ATI is playing it well...
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January 5, 2010 3:21:28 PM

jonpaul37 said:
Nvidia would be wise to open at a low price, otherwise, it's going to be a rough year, regardless of if they take the performance crown back or not. It's a dirty game right now and ATI is playing it well...

Keep dreaming, Nvidia, wise, and low price don't belong in the same sentence.

I have no doubts that the 380 will pwn, but when will it come out and how much will it cost? In order to release a card in march they had to lower the chip size, wich means the initial release won't be the 380 or whatever they decide to call thier flagship card. Price will be insane, but hardcore Nvidiots will buy it anyway.
8800 ultra repeat is my prediction
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January 5, 2010 4:31:12 PM

MasterYster said:
Will the Gtx 380 put nvidia back on top or will the 5000 series hold its on?


It'll put them back on top of the most expensive videocards list and also worst valued-GPU for your cash list. For example, an overclocked GTX 260 performs nearly as well as a GTX 275 which when overclocked performs as well as a GTX 285.

When the GTX 380 finally hits the retail shelves, the hard core Nvidia fanboys will go in debt and max out their credit cards just to have Nvidia's latest and greatest. Then, 6 months later, the same card will drop in price about 25%.
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 6:06:16 PM

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Nvidia have ALWAYS been on the top. Peaple are just too DUMB to see it. WOW HD 5970 beats GTX 295 WOOOW "IMPRESIVE!" lmao.. ITs 1 year newer and back in the day when GTX 295 was the king, which it still is in my opinion the best ATI card was the s****y HD 4870x2. When the new nvidia DX 11 cards arrive to the market ATI and all the ATI fanboys will cry...


Yes, yes we will cry at the price tag, the power consumption, and the heat.
We will cry about the performance of software tessellation.

We don't know Fermi's specs, we don't know the performance or consumption or heat.

However let's take a look at the past couple of years:
First to use 55nm -
First to use 40nm -
First to use GDDR4 -
First to use GDDR5 -
First to support DX10.1 -
First to support DX11 -
So you can't say nVidia has been leading technology, as we are looking at recent things

Look at performance:
8800GTX - nVidia wins
3870X2 - ATI wins
9800GX2 - nVidia wins
GTX 280 - nVidia wins
4870X2 - ATI wins
GTX 295 - nVidia wins
5970 - ATI wins

Yes nVidia has won the performance crown a lot, but they have not ALWAYS been on top. For the last 4 gens, it's been a battle of pushing out the next gen, pushing the X2 of the current gen to get the crown.

I know the list of innovation is biased, however since the 3800/8800 series I don't know of nVidia innovations other than PhysX/CUDA (properiatery), feel free to add them.
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 6:17:46 PM

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HD 5970>>GTX 295? Nope dude. GTX 295 aint even a GPU from the same generation. Lets see how Nvidia is going to kick the balls of ATI with the GTX 360. Im sure even the GTX 360 will be like 20% more powerfull than the HD 5970 and it will probably be a single GPU. ATI came out with the 5 series to early. And eyefinity is a BIG fail. The ATI cards atm arent even powerfull enough to run demanding games properly on high settings when you use 3 22" screens...


That's the game, the consumer doesn't care nVidia is battling next-gen cards with their current-gen, they like the DX11 card.
The GTX 280 vs 3870X2, that wasn't the same gen, in fact, due to nVidia's numbering, one can say the 9800GX2 vs 3870X2 wasn't the same gen as the 3800 was competing with the 8800.

Bottom line, no one cares if it is the same gen or not; they want the best card, with the most features, the least power consumption, the least heat-output, & the cheapest price - finding a balance between those aspects is what the different cards do.
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January 5, 2010 6:31:08 PM

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HD 5970>>GTX 295? Nope dude. GTX 295 aint even a GPU from the same generation. Lets see how Nvidia is going to kick the balls of ATI with the GTX 360. Im sure even the GTX 360 will be like 20% more powerfull than the HD 5970 and it will probably be a single GPU. ATI came out with the 5 series to early. And eyefinity is a BIG fail. The ATI cards atm arent even powerfull enough to run demanding games properly on high settings when you use 3 22" screens...


You're wrong.

1. It is logical to compare the 295 to the 5870 (or the 5970) considering they are the best cards either company can produce, even if they're in between generations.
2. You're sure the GTX 360 will be better than ATI's top single card? Yeah, I think you're wrong. You've got no proof, and nor do I. Great argument, huh?
3. Eyefinity is not a failure, and its pretty spectacular. One 5870 can play pretty much every game save for Crysis playably on even the highest resolutions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhAqTecVXbE

You smell of fanboy.
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January 5, 2010 6:38:29 PM

Nvidia's not going to have anything out until mid to late second quarter so by then ati should have some fresh products on the market or preparing too.
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January 5, 2010 6:45:45 PM

frozenlead said:
You smell of fanboy.

Ya think? :lol: 
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January 5, 2010 6:48:28 PM

its logical to think that nVidia's DX11 cards should be faster than ATi's 58xx series considering there 6 months late, If there not faster or alot cheaper that ATi's cards, nVidia are in trouble. (IMO)
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January 5, 2010 7:06:38 PM

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HD 5970>>GTX 295? Nope dude. GTX 295 aint even a GPU from the same generation. Lets see how Nvidia is going to kick the balls of ATI with the GTX 360. Im sure even the GTX 360 will be like 20% more powerfull than the HD 5970 and it will probably be a single GPU. ATI came out with the 5 series to early. And eyefinity is a BIG fail. The ATI cards atm arent even powerfull enough to run demanding games properly on high settings when you use 3 22" screens...


It is ALWAYS last gen. vs first gen. Fine, let us consider the 5870 vs GTX 295 debate, the 5870 is on average 5-10% slower than the GTX 295, but the 5870 is a single GPU and the GTX 295 is a dual GPU with high clocked GTX 260s. So the 5870 is twice as fast as the GTX 260, that is a nice leap in generation. That is BASICALLY THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME. For a next gen. card to perform twice as well as its flagship is phenomenal, the 5870 did that. Let us say that FERMI pulls that off (2x GTX 280/285), then we are seeing performance about 10% lower than the 5970. If it is priced lower (at least $50) it will be a major win, a single card always plays better than a dual because dual cards get higher maximum FPS and suffer poor minimum FPS, so just like in the case of the 5870 vs GTX 295, FERMI should be a win and make up that 10% in gameplay. Taking that a step farther the GTX 360 (or whatever it is) should be pretty similar and trade blows with the 5870.

Just going by specifications, Fermi should be 10-20% faster than the 5870, close to 2x the performance of a GTX 285, but specs tend to lie so the difference will likely be lower. Also factor in how much nVidia will need to spend and an intelligent person can easily see how expensive the card will have to be.

Will Fermi fail? I think so, yes. Do I want it to? Hell no.

Why do I think Fermi will fail? Well, best case scenerio it will be a repeat of the G200 vs 4xxx series without the possibility of a "GTX 395". Now this is not so bad when you consider that ATI could not pull a true 5970 out, but more of a 5950 since it performs like 2 5850s, which should make the GTX 380 very appealing if priced well. The problem? It is too late. In 3 months Fermi will, hopefully, hit, but when wil the 6xxx series hit? That is right ATI will have had the 6 months to prepare the 6xxx series so it should come out soon after Fermi.

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ppl get so easily fooled by ATIs fake GDDR 5.... Nvidia won the last battle with GDDR3 VS GDDR5 easily. GTx 295 is like 40% more powerfull than the weak HD 4870x2


You already called the 4870 X2 s***y. Now you lie about the performance.

Fine, if you want to be fanatical I will set the record straight.

The 4870 X2 is less than 10% slower than the GTX 295 and destroyed the GTX 295 in price to performance ratio. As a matter of fact it was basically common knowledge that there were almost no instances where the GTX 295 was worth the extra money. Back when they did battle the 4870 X2 was atleast $100 cheaper for almost the same performance and gaming experience, at a point the difference went over $200!

The 4870 X2 was a great card, the GTX 295 was the card that was s***y.
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January 5, 2010 7:20:44 PM

megamanx00 said:
There is no question that the 380 will be faster than the 5870 or that the dual GPU version will be faster than the 5970. The question is, how much is it going to cost, and will it be much faster in DX11 games when AMD got this big of a head start with developers?


If I had to say which would turn out quicker, Fermi 380 or the 5870, right now, my money would be on the 5870.


Fermi is down on clocks and down on SPs. I see absolutely no reason why it will not be hideously down on performance.
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 7:32:42 PM

From what we know the clocks are a bit low, but it is nearly double the SP or "CUDA cores" so it should still be pretty close, maybe a little bit off, from twice as fast I'm guessing 80% faster which will net it a little faster than the 5870.
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January 5, 2010 7:40:52 PM

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Nvidia have ALWAYS been on the top. Peaple are just too DUMB to see it. WOW HD 5970 beats GTX 295 WOOOW "IMPRESIVE!" lmao.. ITs 1 year newer and back in the day when GTX 295 was the king, which it still is in my opinion the best ATI card was the s****y HD 4870x2. When the new nvidia DX 11 cards arrive to the market ATI and all the ATI fanboys will cry...


Okay. Thanks for your erudite opinion. Don't know what "ALWAYS" on top means and when you wrote that did you yell the word "ALWAYS" in your mind, hence the CAPS? LoL...
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January 5, 2010 7:43:00 PM

Amiga500 said:
If I had to say which would turn out quicker, Fermi 380 or the 5870, right now, my money would be on the 5870.


Fermi is down on clocks and down on SPs. I see absolutely no reason why it will not be hideously down on performance.


Its not even a matter you can think of it like that. They HAVE TO beat the 5xxx performance wise in all sectors for it to be worth anything.
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 7:47:19 PM

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ppl get so easily fooled by ATIs fake GDDR 5.... Nvidia won the last battle with GDDR3 VS GDDR5 easily. GTx 295 is like 40% more powerfull than the weak HD 4870x2


Please explain to me why you think the ATI's GDDR 5 is fake. How so? As in mislabeled or counterfeit or any way you see it?
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 7:52:17 PM

im gonna put down and say gtx 380 will be 5-10% faster then the 5870 and cost as much as the 5970
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2010 8:17:20 PM

3 more months of delay sorting out bugs....When Nvidia has actually have a working die. Then it’s worth the discussion.

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January 5, 2010 8:27:02 PM

As the wii has proven, the casual people bring in the money. Nvidia AND Ati at the end of the day only want your money, so thus casual people do matter.
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January 5, 2010 8:36:59 PM

frozenlead said:
You smell of fanboy.


I seriously hope he's just trolling because idealising yourself with a company to such a degree is quite worrisome.

AMW1011: 5870 5-10% slower than 295? You better recheck some benchmarks ;) 
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January 5, 2010 8:42:38 PM

I was going to give him a bit more time to respond before I locked this thread but now seems as good a time as any.
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