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Terrible 3570K temps, w/ WC

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May 11, 2012 12:30:22 PM

So i just set up my new system today with a 3570K. The first thing i noticed was how how tiny the damn thing is! I'm used to AMD systems, so this is new to me. With this tiny size and the die shrink to 22nm i understand it can be hard to soak up heat. I was expecting better though :(  I do not have a dedicated gpu just yet. The temps were just cpu stressing only. Gaming isn't too bad with temps @40-50C in SCII

I was hoping since people in newegg reviews were able to hit 4.5GHz on the stock cooler, my WC loop should fair very well.
Info on the loop to understand how it's underperforming.

Koolance CPU-370
Swiftech MCP-655
3x120mm Black Ice Stealth w/ 3 120mm (pull) sycthe fans (110CFM+)

I'd give some screen shots, but since i'm restoring a backup...not exactly the best time. Maybe tomorrow.

At stock clocks it was able to hit 60C with that liquid cooling loop!!
It idles decently at 25-30C since it throttles way down to 1.6GHz and low voltage

I bumped the clocks up to 4GHz with a meager .05 voltage bump.
The temps shot up quite a bit to a bit over 70C
Idling around 32-36C

This is the kind of performance i would expect from a cheap air cooler. Is Ivy Bridge so tiny that it really can't dissipate heat?
I'm starting to wish i had bought a 2500K :( 

I'll get pics up tomorrow.

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a b K Overclocking
May 11, 2012 4:06:05 PM

yeah 70c load at 4ghz seems high, for comparison my 2550k at 4ghz loads at 60c and at 4.8ghz it loads at 70c (corsair h100)
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May 11, 2012 4:15:39 PM

ivy bridge has and is well know for VERY high temps under load. this doesnt suplrise me.

i got the 3930K sandy bridge E at 4.8Ghz running with a H80 corsair cooler and mine never goes above 50c even when benchmarking or anything else for that matter.

its just the chips they aint all there cracked up to be
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a b K Overclocking
May 11, 2012 7:22:11 PM

I have heard under load with overclocking Ivy bridge can run 20C hotter than Sandy Bridge. This does not surprise me. People say that the small die conducts heat more than the bigger because the fit more into less. This should make sense. If you planned on overclocking, you should have gotten a 2500k.
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a c 150 K Overclocking
May 11, 2012 7:26:23 PM

Is the water/coolant old?
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a c 150 K Overclocking
May 11, 2012 7:26:44 PM

Is the block correctly installed?
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a b K Overclocking
May 11, 2012 7:42:11 PM

With the Corsair H100 and running my Intel® Core™ i5-3570K at 4.6GHz I was hitting high 80c but this is with the voltage over 1.20v. So check to make sure the cooler is seated well and also check the voltage at stock it shouldn't more than 1.050v.


Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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May 12, 2012 12:34:47 AM

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Is the water/coolant old?


Brand new

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Is the block correctly installed?


Yes. Though i always have wondered how much pressure to put on the screws since the instructions were very specific. They gave an amount of pressure as a measurement...now how am i supposed to confirm that?

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With the Corsair H100 and running my Intel® Core™ i5-3570K at 4.6GHz I was hitting high 80c but this is with the voltage over 1.20v. So check to make sure the cooler is seated well and also check the voltage at stock it shouldn't more than 1.050v.


Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team


I bumped the voltage up by 0.05V. If anything i guess i could try to reseat the cpu block and try again....

Another thing i noticed that my old AMD cpus never did. When 100% load hits, the temps shoot up extremely quick. I took a video of it and will upload later.
So the quicker the jump the less heat dissipation? If it could transfer heat efficiently then it would take a few seconds to heat up the block a little bit?

Idle



fans @ 100%, pump @ 50%



fans @ 1%? (lowest speed), pump @ 50%










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May 12, 2012 2:31:47 AM

Pictures of the setup



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a c 150 K Overclocking
May 12, 2012 2:42:11 AM

post in overclocking forum.
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May 12, 2012 2:45:43 AM

Thats a very nice setup!

Them temps are way too high!

I had a athlon II x4 435 Unlocked into a Phenom II x4 35B with only 40c maxed with stock AMD cooler you should be getting 30-60 max
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May 12, 2012 2:52:09 AM

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post in overclocking forum.


true true, not sure why i didn't start there... :non: 

MODS DESTROY THIS!
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May 12, 2012 2:56:43 AM

One thing, the temps you get with Prime95, OCCT or IBT are maximum 100% load all the time temps. For gaming and normal use, you wont get that high at all. My 2500K @ 4.5GHz maxes at 55-60c with a Zalman 9900Max and in stress testing it will push 65-70c in Prime 95, 75c in IBT.

I would see what your average temps are overall when just using it.

Also, get Hardware Monitor as its better than CoreTemp from what I have seen.
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a b K Overclocking
May 12, 2012 3:02:14 AM

This might sound dumb but have you checked to make sure the pump is working right?
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May 12, 2012 4:12:27 AM

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This might sound dumb but have you checked to make sure the pump is working right?


Haha, it is working well. I appreciate the input, sometimes the answer really can be so simple



I am aware of this. However i've read in many reviews that the 3570K is capable of a lot more than this.

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One thing, the temps you get with Prime95, OCCT or IBT are maximum 100% load all the time temps. For gaming and normal use, you wont get that high at all. My 2500K @ 4.5GHz maxes at 55-60c with a Zalman 9900Max and in stress testing it will push 65-70c in Prime 95, 75c in IBT.

I would see what your average temps are overall when just using it.

Also, get Hardware Monitor as its better than CoreTemp from what I have seen.


I know. Just for stress testing i use Prime95. While running Starcraft II it hangs around 45C
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May 12, 2012 8:18:15 AM

Intel have shafted us with cheap TIM on the chip. I believe they've done this to help after market cooler mfrs. This is disgraceful and I won't likely be buying Intel again.
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a c 150 K Overclocking
May 12, 2012 6:03:58 PM

Still outperforms everything on AMD's side.
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a b K Overclocking
May 12, 2012 8:07:19 PM

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Haha, it is working well. I appreciate the input, sometimes the answer really can be so simple


Ok. Like I said it sounds dumb but I've seen it many times before bother here and on Overclockers.net. A person buys one of those all in one kits and hook it up only to have worse temps. They don't realize that their whole loop is running dry because of a broken pump causing the CPU to overheat. Finally someone brings up the pump and sure enough that was the problem. It seems to be overlooked alot of forums until one person brings it up.
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August 12, 2012 5:12:05 AM

I think i found the problem! LOL
though this is strange since it couldn't be mounted any tighter to contact the CPU. I currently have the stock cooler on it with some Arctic Silver compound. OCd to 4GHz hitting 80C easy! :sarcastic: 


IMG_8795.jpg by Volks1470, on Flickr

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a b K Overclocking
August 12, 2012 9:58:11 AM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Overclocking by Mousemonkey
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a c 190 K Overclocking
August 12, 2012 11:02:14 AM

Hmm, mounting kit all good?
you may need to use a copper shim to bridge the gap, remember to paste each side obv.
Moto
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a b K Overclocking
August 12, 2012 4:03:17 PM

Good luck :s
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August 12, 2012 6:07:32 PM

Is the pump output going in the reservoir or out? output=the part that pushes water.
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a b K Overclocking
August 12, 2012 6:47:13 PM

I have used artic silver for 15 years and you can see the temps I am getting on mine. With artic silver you need to use a plentiful amount of it per componite I use masking tape make an outline of the chip on the block and fill the whole space use a credit card to make it flat remove the tape and apply the block. The pulse with artic silver is that after running your computer under a load for a total of around 200 hours you’ll notice that your temps have improved even more around 10 f at idol and up to 15 f at load and that puts you right where you should be.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-274855_29_450.ht...

water temps device temps it is all in here.
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