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August 17, 2012 5:42:30 AM

Hey guys, I've heard you are the best there can be. I was wondering if you all could help me Make a good set up? I'd like the best parts. BUT NOT OVER 300$ here's the current config I would like to get. Any mods for it?
What about These parts?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...s_id=32580 -Reservoir, Pump, and Radiator

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...ts_id=1953 -Tubing

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...s_id=34785 -Clamps

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...s_id=22843 -Sleeve

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...s_id=23512 -Fittings

-liquid

Am I missing something? Are these parts compatible? This is the GPU block I wish to add
http://www.dangerden.com/store/dd-gtx590.html#tabs Please go over these and tell me if they are all compatable, I can't find the info for the fittings on the GPU block, and I have never done this before. Can anyone help me?

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August 17, 2012 5:59:12 AM

Also What type of Thermal Paste is good? I need it for my Asus GTX 590 and 2700k
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a c 150 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 6:01:36 AM

Do you have a home depot near you?
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August 17, 2012 6:03:13 AM

Yes I do
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a c 150 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 6:07:26 AM

I'd get the tubing from home depot, the stuff by Watts is a good choice.


You need around 480mm to cool the CPU+GPU's.


For the liquid, use distilled water and a silver kill coil.


IMO I would get a kit instead!

http://www.svc.com/rd5ex360.html
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August 17, 2012 6:39:25 AM

Don't like that kit, Might aswell go custom if I'm going to made a custom water loop. and I heard that that water Is not good. It's conductive and if spilled, well there goes your 3 thousand dollar Computer.
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August 17, 2012 7:58:39 AM

Thanks!
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August 17, 2012 8:04:02 AM

Your welcome!
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August 17, 2012 1:36:32 PM

you will be good with a quad 120mm radiator but if you want to oc i'd suggest 2x 360mm radiators...and most people use compression fittings...you should look for 3/8'' id,5/8'' od compression fittings as you have chosen that size of tubing.....compression fittings arent like barbed fittings..you need to buy the same id & od compression fittings as of the tubing...as many of the above have suggested,you should use distilled water as coolant+ptnuke/killcoils for best performance..if you want color just by colorred tubing...i'd highly recommend d5 pumps with bitspower top but because of your budget you can get a mcp355 pump...for the thermal paste,arctic cooling mx4

hope it helps...all the best with your rig...:) 

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a c 225 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 2:29:42 PM

pr3detor said:
Hey guys, I've heard you are the best there can be. I was wondering if you all could help me Make a good set up? I'd like the best parts. BUT NOT OVER 300$ here's the current config I would like to get. Any mods for it?
What about These parts?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...s_id=32580 -Reservoir, Pump, and Radiator

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...ts_id=1953 -Tubing

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...s_id=34785 -Clamps

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...s_id=22843 -Sleeve

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/i...s_id=23512 -Fittings

-liquid

Am I missing something? Are these parts compatible? This is the GPU block I wish to add
http://www.dangerden.com/store/dd-gtx590.html#tabs Please go over these and tell me if they are all compatable, I can't find the info for the fittings on the GPU block, and I have never done this before. Can anyone help me?


pr3detor said:
Also What type of Thermal Paste is good? I need it for my Asus GTX 590 and 2700k


Where's the CPU water block you're considering?

For cooling the GPU and CPU the radiator is not large enough.

Thermal Paste Suggestion> Timtronics Grey Ice 4200

Are your intentions to build within the case or mount the radiator externally?

You will need at least a quality 480 radiator, even if you're considering mild to moderate overclocking of your 2700K and GTX 590.

A $300.00 budget is kinda on the low side don't you think?

You need to be at least in the $450.00 range or you'll end up very disappointed with your end results, consider saving and add to your budget especially considering what your GPU block costs by itself.
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August 17, 2012 3:02:40 PM

^+1....
if you decide to oc with low budget,you will be kinda disappointed but if you do not oc you will be able to run your rig smoothly with a quad 120mm rad..
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August 17, 2012 3:26:21 PM

Well basically on OP budget the only thing to do is get a Raystorm RX360 kit w/ DDC or D5 pump upgrade, universal GPU block, some RAM sinks and just use barbs and tubing of choice.Anyways this is going to run them closer to $350-$450 when it's all said and done.So unless their to increase the budget it's best they don't do it imho.If you want full cover 590 block, easily be ready to spend $100.00 plus on it.






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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 3:34:14 PM

Low budget and great performing watercooling never reside in the same sentence except when it's 'If you have a low budget and expect great performing watercooling, you are mistaken.'

:) 

Seriously though, if you are considering spending the money on a setup and have the expectations you do, you should also become very familiar with the expectations on cost as well.

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For cooling the GPU and CPU the radiator is not large enough.

Depends. At stock speeds, it would be fine, but overclocking that i7 and the 590 would begin to push it and my recommendation falls in line with yours.

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If you want full cover 590 block, easily be ready to spend $100.00+ on it.

Agreed.
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August 17, 2012 4:43:15 PM

I am sure your not liking what your hearing but honestly you won't be happy with the result if you go ahead and just do what your thinking will be fine look into it a bit more do some research and you'll realize what we are telling you is in your best of interest you are going to need keep in mind i am roughly guessing around $550.00 to do what you want the right way anyway all the best take care.
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a b K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 5:10:35 PM

I agree 500-550 is about right for what you are doing if it was just a CPU you could do it for 300 but the GPU will add to the cost.

here have a look at what I just finished building, I have been doing this for a while and my kids have water cooled rigs too. Both of with are the same type of build as yours CPU + GPU and it cost at least 500 a piece for their rigs. So it might not be cheap to water cool the rewards for doing it right are great.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274855-29-experimenta...
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 5:23:48 PM

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Alright, Someone has suggested me this part, With the GPU block Which i will be buying separate from the Danger Den.
http://www.dazmode.com/store/produ [...] al_bay_d5/ -Kit

http://www.dangerden.com/store/dd-gtx590.html - GPU block


Those would work fine, yes.

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And as for the CPU, I already have a antex khuler H2o h60/70. Can't i just take off the radaitor for my cpu cooler, Rewire the cpu into the loop and cool all 3 processing units with ONE radiator possibly a 240mm one.


I'm not entirely sure I follow your idea, but here goes:

No and you wouldn't want to. The inlets for the radiator are very small (around 1/4"ID) and you are likely looking at 7/16"ID or 1/2"ID tubing. Plus, there are concerns that those radiators are not entirely copper or brass...some are likely aluminum which is a poor choice to mix metals in a watercooling loop.

A 240 rad is going the opposite direction of a 360 or more. Just because that's all that will fit in your case, doesn't mean that's all that you need in order to cool the components you want to cool in your loop. It doesn't work that way.

The sticky has a detailed section on how to determine what radiators you will need to cool the components you are wishing to cool. Please read the sticky a few times and as many links contained within, if possible.


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August 17, 2012 5:39:27 PM

Alright, Can someone just suggest me some high end stuff? Not kits, I need actual parts. and a newer cpu block since I can't use mine. Possible 3/8?
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 6:07:56 PM

Tell me what you've found so far and I'll help. Have you read through the sticky yet?
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August 17, 2012 6:54:35 PM

Toolmaker, Those items are good, But do I really need two radiators? and Why do I need RAM Sinks? I have a fan on my ram. WHy soo much tubing? I'm buying a different GPU block. It's the Danger Den gtx590. Since one 360mm radiator will be enough, I could use just 3 fans. And maybe a different Reservoir?

Also what website did you get those parts off?
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a b K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 7:09:03 PM

Well I have an issue with tubing I waste a lot some times
I have had a 2x240mm system for years stock it was fine but clocked it would get hot.
A 240mm and a 360mm would work but that is as low as I would go.
I chose uni's for the GPU for convenience but if you have a better full cover picked out go with that and you will not need the ram sinks
And of course you can use any res in fact a res is not needed at all for a loop to work they just make it nice and a little easier.

sidewinder computers is the site
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August 17, 2012 7:21:52 PM

And some kind of blood red NON ELECTRO CONDUCTIVE liquid and Some black sleeve for the tubing, Like a coiled wire so the red looks nicer in the black. Also how can I make it light up? so it looks nicer in my system?

And why can't I just go ONE 360mm radiator? with 3x120mm fans?
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August 17, 2012 7:22:42 PM

Can you just update the shopping cart for me? I want to just see a price. and Lets get minimum tubing. and what about Thermal Paste? and compression fittings, The stuff that go onto the tube.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 7:29:05 PM

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And some kind of blood red NON ELECTRO CONDUCTIVE liquid

Any liquid you use will become conductive within 5 minutes of use. Besides, regular distilled water cools the best and is also 'non-conductive' for those same 5 mins time, but isn't going to break down and wind up clogging your blocks.

You still haven't read the sticky yet, have you.
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a b K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 7:34:57 PM



you can, but if you find that it is not cool enough for you add another later.

I would not suggest any DYE for the system glow tubing, paint the tubing, colored tubing, colored coils, glow coils; all of them are good ideas.
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a c 150 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 7:38:52 PM

If you want the best performance, use DISTILLED water and colored tubing!
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August 17, 2012 7:51:50 PM

Is there a cheaper solution for the Compression fittings?
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August 17, 2012 7:52:32 PM

Maybe some better fans also? and I'd like a reservoir
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a b K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 8:00:38 PM

no that is the cheapest i have not seen them this cheap for a while.

how much are you willing to spend on fans?
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August 17, 2012 8:09:20 PM

well, I would like a good pair. Ones thaat will work nice and have a red led in em
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 8:15:45 PM

Ok, let's stop here for a second.

What have you found based on your knowledge and information so far? It appears you are just soliciting other people to do the work for you. It would be a good idea for you to understand what you are getting yourself into so you know what to do when you get it, how to set it up, how to maintain it and what to do if there are issues.

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August 17, 2012 8:18:13 PM

I'm somewhat good with Picking out hardware components for my computer but I'm a beginner with water cooling. btw, How good are the UV tubes? and Are they worth it? and lastly what else Will i need with it?
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August 17, 2012 8:18:17 PM

I mostly understand most of the parts you need, But I still don't have a knowledge in what is good. I just go by price atm. and I know thats not a good idea. I'll find out how to set it up when i buy my products. and If I will not be able to , I have a Canada Computers near me which actually does this stuff. But they dont have these parts They only have basic parts like a cpu cooler.
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a c 225 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 8:25:52 PM

pr3detor said:
well, I would like a good pair. Ones thaat will work nice and have a red led in em


I advise you to step back take some deep breaths do some serious sticky reading, and bring yourself up to speed on what this is really going to cost you, and if you are intending, on overclocking that 2700K it will be laughing at your original purchase suggestions.

Make sure you take your advice from those actually overclocking a Sandy Bridge K series CPU and know how hot they get, and if you have no overclocking intentions of the CPU or GPU, you don't need to water cool in the first place, you're just throwing money in the air, but it's your money.

Now's the time to get serious about learning what to expect, as an end result from the choices you make, regarding your water cooling loop and your overclocking possibilities, almost everyone that buys a 2700K will eventually overclock it because it's so easy to do, but the higher you clock the hotter it gets, and will your water cooling setup be great or disappointing.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 8:26:56 PM

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I mostly understand most of the parts you need, But I still don't have a knowledge in what is good. I just go by price atm. and I know thats not a good idea. I'll find out how to set it up when i buy my products. and If I will not be able to

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I'm somewhat good with Picking out hardware components for my computer but I'm a beginner with water cooling.

That's the entire point I'm trying to get across to you.

Please read this:

Tom's HW Watercooling Sticky v2

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August 17, 2012 8:31:02 PM

Ryan, What suggestions will you make, if I want to OC my GFX and CPU?
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August 17, 2012 8:47:51 PM

Holy ***, Ryan, You are a genius. How long did that article take for you to write up? and what if I oc my CPu to 4.2ghz? and gpu by like 1-2 hundred mhz for core clock and around the same for mem clock?
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August 17, 2012 9:00:22 PM

like, I know how to overclock, But I just need help with picking out a good CPU block, since ryan said that the one i choose, The OC will just laugh at it. I'm using a stock clocks atm, and I have antec h60/70 installed atm just for the CPU, and idle temp is 40, max temp is 70 when on full load in intel Burn Test, on maximum stress test. It passed in like 12 minutes.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 9:14:20 PM

Your CPU OC isn't dependent upon your CPU block- it's the radiator space you need to mostly account for. Most current CPU blocks are pretty close in performance with the biggest difference being restriction between them.
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August 17, 2012 9:38:29 PM

alright, I'll try to find a nice Radiator with a good amount of fins/" btw, How much compression fittings will I need? They cost soo damn much the ones I want. Enzotech Matte Black Compression Fitting for 1/4in. x 3/8in. Tubing. And also, What's the best tubing? like what diameter? I've read the sticky. 3/8 is what i'm going for atm, but the compressions cost like 6-7 dollars each for them.
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August 17, 2012 10:50:31 PM

Ryan, since you're the expert at this, I would love it if you can just help me with one thing. I've increased by budget to 600-700 Dollars and I was wondering if you can make a config for that amount of cash. It must be red, I love red. And maybe include a black coiled wire around the tubing. It should be able to cool my i7 2600k OC'D to 4.2GHZ and both my GPUs on the Asus gtx 590 gddr5. The Water block I will be buying for the 590 is the Danger Den gtx 590. Basically just make a list of what item i should buy. If possible can you make it all from one website so I don't have to pay like 4x shipping? I've got my friend helping me IRL and It doesn't seem like he knows anything aswell.
If you can do this, I will be grateful!

Maybe even add a fan controller so I can make them all maximum when it's super hot. Also I forgot to mention, My case is a HAF 932 Advanced. and I want this cooling system to be Internal. I've made like 3 different lists of Items I should buy, But after some research on your Sticky about water cooling, I found out that I have selected complete garbage.

And preferably not a kit.
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a c 225 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 10:59:21 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Your CPU OC isn't dependent upon your CPU block- it's the radiator space you need to mostly account for. Most current CPU blocks are pretty close in performance with the biggest difference being restriction between them.


Affirmative!

@Pr3DeToR, it's the radiator space you'll need for overclocking you have to be able to dissipate the heat generated as fast and as much as possible.

My discoveries overclocking the 2700K are; at a 4500mhz overclock with Hyper Threading Enabled the end result benchmark performance of the 2700K is approximately equal to overclocking the 2500K to 5000mhz, so what I'm saying is if you will be satisfied with a 4500mhz overclock of your 2700K, a dual pass quad 480 radiator should be sufficient for your GPU and CPU.

Here's my radiator suggestion > Black Ice GTX480

Here's why > Martins lab review

You'll need 4 120mm high static fans, and a fan controller to lower the noise level when you're not gaming, assuming you do game?

Pump Suggestion > Laing D5 Variable Speed

You can shop for better prices but I doubt you'll find the radiator any cheaper, the D-5 Varable speed pump you may find cheaper.

Now you should begin to understand why I said your budget was too low, I suggest saving money and adding to your purchasing budget, because you still have the CPU & GPU water blocks, reservoir, tubing, fittings, etc.

This should give you an idea of what you should be considering so you have this knowledge, this would be as far as I am concerned if it was mine, an outside the case mounting of the radiator.

These are suggestions that with what I have learned regarding overclocking the Sandy Bridge K series of CPUs you won't end up disappointed with the cooling end results, keeping in mind settling on a 4500mhz overclock of the 2700K. Ryan


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a c 150 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 11:06:59 PM

$40 on tubing!????


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August 17, 2012 11:07:39 PM

Alright, THanks Ryan, So I will buy That Radiator and Pump and the DD GTX590 GPU block, but what about the rest?, I don't know how much, and which I should buy. Would you mind helping me pick out a nice red UV cooling system?, my budget's 600-700 USD
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a c 225 K Overclocking
August 17, 2012 11:09:25 PM

pr3detor said:
Ryan, since you're the expert at this, I would love it if you can just help me with one thing. I've increased by budget to 600-700 Dollars and I was wondering if you can make a config for that amount of cash. It must be red, I love red. And maybe include a black coiled wire around the tubing. It should be able to cool my i7 2600k OC'D to 4.2GHZ and both my GPUs on the Asus gtx 590 gddr5. The Water block I will be buying for the 590 is the Danger Den gtx 590. Basically just make a list of what item i should buy. If possible can you make it all from one website so I don't have to pay like 4x shipping? I've got my friend helping me IRL and It doesn't seem like he knows anything aswell.
If you can do this, I will be grateful!

Maybe even add a fan controller so I can make them all maximum when it's super hot. Also I forgot to mention, My case is a HAF 932 Advanced. and I want this cooling system to be Internal. I've made like 3 different lists of Items I should buy, But after some research on your Sticky about water cooling, I found out that I have selected complete garbage.

And preferably not a kit.


I posted the above then saw this, why don't you just shoot me a PM to avoid all the, "my suggestion is better than your suggestion" arguments that always happens here and tends to confuse the poster, and I'll be glad to help you.

Look over the above and tell me what you think in a PM? Ryan
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