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January 14, 2010 4:22:20 AM

Okay i am building my first Budget gaming rig on a AMD Phenom II X4 now what i want to know is would this be a good gaming rig for $618.39 with Shipping and without a Power Supply and a case because i couldn't find one that would fit and handle 2 powercooler Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit on newegg.com maybe y'all could help me find one

specs are
western digital 650GB 7200 RPM i may go up to 1TB or 2TB not sure yet
ASRock A785GXH Motherboard
2 powercooler Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit
G.SKILL 4GB
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz


i do have some questions about some items that i listed

1. is the ASRock A785GXH Motherboard any good as in stability and Performance and whatnot

2. is the 2 powercooler Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit any good as in stability and Performance in games

3. is the AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz any good as in stability Performance in games and multitasking etc

anyways you get what im getting at but yeah tell me if i made a good choice picking this setup for gaming and other stuff

thanks Chris

P.S don't tell me to go and buy a HD 4870 or hd 5970 i don't have that kind of money to just go spend on 1 video card i am on a Budget between 700-800 "i will be getting a job soon so i be saving up the money to buy this setup"
January 14, 2010 5:04:41 AM

Almost any midtower cas can handle the two 4850s, they really aren't that big by today's standards. You might also consider the 4850x2 card, as it will give you about the same performance on one card for about the same price. If you decide to stick to the crossfire configuration you might want to find a MB that will have at least x8 on the second slot. The Asrock you linked only has x4 on the second slot, which could affect performance somewhat. You could go with a 770 chipset rather than the 785 since you don't need the onboard video. Overall good choices for a budget gamer, though.
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January 14, 2010 9:49:49 AM

belial2k said:
Almost any midtower cas can handle the two 4850s, they really aren't that big by today's standards. You might also consider the 4850x2 card, as it will give you about the same performance on one card for about the same price. If you decide to stick to the crossfire configuration you might want to find a MB that will have at least x8 on the second slot. The Asrock you linked only has x4 on the second slot, which could affect performance somewhat. You could go with a 770 chipset rather than the 785 since you don't need the onboard video. Overall good choices for a budget gamer, though.


alright thanks for the info okay this is what i went for

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135228

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102809

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148040

and Grand Total is $829.40 just hope its worth it you know
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January 14, 2010 2:47:38 PM

You will want to go with a different motherboard, ECS isnt that great of a brand. If you want stability and longevity, stick to Gigabyte or Asus.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

with this board you will need to switch to DDR3 memory, but you can get this for the same price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You need to be careful with the graphics card/case you chose. The GPU is really long and your case isnt that large, so you might have space issues. It might just be better to go with the two 4850's in crossfire. Just something to keep in mind

The power supply is overkill, but should last for a few years. Going with an Antec or OCZ power supply would probably be a better investment however.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 14, 2010 3:06:19 PM

Quick couple of notes. Newegg has a combo with the HAF 922 and OCZ StealthXStream 700W for $110 after rebates. It's a steal.

Neither of those sets of RAM is very good. Get some G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 for $110.

Here's a great board for a little less (due to combos): Asus M4A79XTD EVO. By itself, it's $110 after rebates, and it has a Newegg combo with just about every AM3 CPU. It's in a combo with the X4 955 (better than the 940) for $256 after rebate.

The WD HDD is behind the times. I highly recommend switching for a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB ($90).

Total for all of that is $616 before rebates, $566 after.

I would recommend getting an HD 5770 ($160ish) instead of the 4850, as it's better for future proofing (DirectX 11 and excellent Crossfire capabilities). Here's some benchmarks between the 4850 and 5770 in single card and Crossfire.
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January 14, 2010 6:10:00 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Quick couple of notes. Newegg has a combo with the HAF 922 and OCZ StealthXStream 700W for $110 after rebates. It's a steal.

Neither of those sets of RAM is very good. Get some G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 for $110.

Here's a great board for a little less (due to combos): Asus M4A79XTD EVO. By itself, it's $110 after rebates, and it has a Newegg combo with just about every AM3 CPU. It's in a combo with the X4 955 (better than the 940) for $256 after rebate.

The WD HDD is behind the times. I highly recommend switching for a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB ($90).

Total for all of that is $616 before rebates, $566 after.

I would recommend getting an HD 5770 ($160ish) instead of the 4850, as it's better for future proofing (DirectX 11 and excellent Crossfire capabilities). Here's some benchmarks between the 4850 and 5770 in single card and Crossfire.

Good recs except I disagree with the 5770 choice. 4850 x2 or crossfire only cost about $200 and blows away the performance of a single 5770. (in fact in the comparison it was fairly close to the 5770 in crossfire, which would cost at least $125 more) At this level you really can't consider Dx11 being an advantage since it devastates frame rates, and by most accounts, doesn't really make a large noticeable improvement in visuals. He will get a much better price/performance ratio from the 4850s.
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January 14, 2010 6:42:53 PM

belial2k said:
Good recs except I disagree with the 5770 choice. 4850 x2 or crossfire only cost about $200 and blows away the performance of a single 5770. (in fact in the comparison it was fairly close to the 5770 in crossfire, which would cost at least $125 more) At this level you really can't consider Dx11 being an advantage since it devastates frame rates, and by most accounts, doesn't really make a large noticeable improvement in visuals. He will get a much better price/performance ratio from the 4850s.


I disagree with the 5770 also i will go with the HD4850x2 instead, also whats the difference between DDR3 and DDR2 in performance etc and also is the ASUS M4A79XTD EVO Motherboard any good

sorry im just new about building computers i know everything else besides picking the hardware etc

just a note guys i don't want to go over $800, i just want to get my money worth
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January 14, 2010 7:38:39 PM

I like ASRock, but get this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... as it can do x8,x8 Crossfire, and is AM3/DDR3.
Apevia makes fecal PSUs. Every test of one at jonnyguru has been no better than a sore disappointment. Most of them have burned or melted. Choose a PSU that has full range active PFC (no little voltage switch) and is 80+ certified. Antec, Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, and Enermax are among the better brands. OCZ is hit or miss; I wouldn't buy one unless it was 80+ and I'd seen a favorable competent technical review of it. In your place, wanting future Crossfire, I'd probably get a 650W-750W Antec Truepower New or Earthwatts. The latter is inexpensive but still very good, the former is even more efficient (80+ bronze).
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January 14, 2010 11:55:01 PM

Onus said:
I like ASRock, but get this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... as it can do x8,x8 Crossfire, and is AM3/DDR3.
Apevia makes fecal PSUs. Every test of one at jonnyguru has been no better than a sore disappointment. Most of them have burned or melted. Choose a PSU that has full range active PFC (no little voltage switch) and is 80+ certified. Antec, Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, and Enermax are among the better brands. OCZ is hit or miss; I wouldn't buy one unless it was 80+ and I'd seen a favorable competent technical review of it. In your place, wanting future Crossfire, I'd probably get a 650W-750W Antec Truepower New or Earthwatts. The latter is inexpensive but still very good, the former is even more efficient (80+ bronze).


wow im getting so confused one telling me to get this other one is telling me to get this so on and so on , so im getting really confused about what motherboard and psu and case i should get


okay should i get the ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard for $119

or ASRock M3A785GXH/128M AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard for $94

or ASRock A780GXE/128M AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G ATX AMD Motherboard for $64

and for the psu and case should i get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.314199

basically im looking for high-quality, stability and Performance Motherboard psu and cases for cheap you know
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January 15, 2010 1:04:11 AM

sorry for the confusion this has caused, but the answer is they are all viable options. If you want to make the most of your budget, the cheap Asrock will save you a little money, but cost you DDR3 support and a true AM3 board.
If it were me, I would go with one of the AM3 boards and DDR3 memory...which one would depend on the combo deals you can get that appeals most to you. The one with the Asus that was pointed out earlier is a good deal
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
so I might go in that direction if it were me....in fact MadAdmiral's build is good overall with the exception of the video card. It also assumes you don't mind doing the legwork for the rebates. Even with the two 4850s it should come to about $600 after rebates. Don't forget you'll need an optical drive, also.
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January 15, 2010 8:54:36 AM

I agree about picking an AM3 mobo with DDR3.
I would not get that OCZ PSU if only because it is not 80+ certified. While I have no basis to assert it is simply a bad PSU, I do have reasons to say that Antec or Corsair are excellent PSUs. If you are interested in reading some competent technical reviews of PSUs, go to www.jonnyguru.com, www.hardocp.com, or www.hardwaresecrets.com. The last of those has some excellent tutorial articles as well.
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January 16, 2010 10:43:56 AM

Onus said:
I agree about picking an AM3 mobo with DDR3.
I would not get that OCZ PSU if only because it is not 80+ certified. While I have no basis to assert it is simply a bad PSU, I do have reasons to say that Antec or Corsair are excellent PSUs. If you are interested in reading some competent technical reviews of PSUs, go to www.jonnyguru.com, www.hardocp.com, or www.hardwaresecrets.com. The last of those has some excellent tutorial articles as well.


Okay guys thanks for the info i made up my confusing mind lol and this is what i'm going for

XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Case

Rosewill BRONZE series RBR750-M 750W 80Plus Bronze Certified,Modular Cable Design,Active PFC

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Quad-Core

SAPPHIRE 100270SR Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB 512-bit

ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) ddr3

HITACHI Desksta 1TB Hard Drive

for $915 :(  little bit over my Budget but yeah just hope i can max out on crysis mw2 hf2 with no lag and get decent fps etc hopefully the 750 will handle all of this

P.S should i just get the AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Callisto 3.1GHz instead or just keep the one for $175 but i can also unlock all 4 cores on the II X2 550 basically you are getting Quad-Core for $99 lol anyways i may just go with the II X2 550 anyways it will be $838.56 if i go with II X2 550 so yeah just tell me if i'm making a good decision,


Edit- what about this psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182070 it says its Support Up to Dual Geforce 8800GTX i dont know tho
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January 16, 2010 11:34:24 AM

Okay, one last thing to throw out to confuse you. With your cost creeping up to over your budget, this might be better.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...
Add a F3 as a boot drive if you want faster boot times
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and your 4850x2
If you want to overclock, and with cpu you really should, I would get this cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
total should be about $850
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January 16, 2010 12:48:27 PM

belial2k said:
Okay, one last thing to throw out to confuse you. With your cost creeping up to over your budget, this might be better.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...
Add a F3 as a boot drive if you want faster boot times
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and your 4850x2
If you want to overclock, and with cpu you really should, I would get this cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
total should be about $850


okay umm will the 4850x2 fit in the case and is that setup better then what i was going for? as in being better in games and whatnot if 4850x2 will fit i will so buy it
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January 16, 2010 3:39:57 PM

Yes, this will give you a much better cpu. Tom's has called the i5 750 the best gaming cpu. For single card solutions it is as good as the i7 series cpus, and saves you quite a bit on up front cost. The 4850x2 will fit in that case without problem...it will fit in almost any mid tower. The smaller towers are where you'll have problems with that card. I personally like the looks of the case in the combo deal, and it has lots of fans for good cooling. I think for a budget under
$1000 that build is about as good as you can get. You may not need the F3 drive if you are not overly concerned about boot times and transfer speeds...so without that it can get you under $800.
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January 17, 2010 12:31:50 AM

belial2k said:
Here is the cpu recommendation chart...if you want more details on why they are ranked this way feel free to read the entire article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu,249...


okay thanks, the only thing that i dislike about the setup is the motherboard one of the pci slots is running at x4, although the motherboard is fine just wish the last pci slot was at x8 or x16 it will give me more Performance in games if i go with crossfre but for now i will go with the one card
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