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This guy in California's pimping an IBM Thinkpad 560X, No battery, no H.D,
boot errors

$25 shipping and handling for 2 POUNDS ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31554&item=3494359726&rd=1
Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?

-RP


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  1. Archived from groups: comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    "RP Jones" <revRP@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:GvtNc.10649$3k3.5150@trndny02...
    > This guy in California's pimping an IBM Thinkpad 560X, No battery, no H.D,
    > boot errors
    >
    > $25 shipping and handling for 2 POUNDS ?
    >
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31554&item=3494359726&rd=1
    > Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?
    >
    > -RP

    Actually, it says there is a 2.1 GB HD and I don't see mention of boot
    errors. Also, padding the S/H costs on Ebay is just a way to lower listing
    and selling fees. It's against Ebay rules but unless it's really egregious,
    there's not much that can be done. The seller can always argue the costs of
    handling: time, box, packing materials etc.
  2. Archived from groups: comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:19:18 GMT, "RP Jones" <revRP@NOSPAMverizon.net>
    wrote:

    >Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?

    Last time I checked - yes.
    Emanuel
  3. Archived from groups: comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Ian S wrote:
    > "RP Jones" <revRP@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > news:GvtNc.10649$3k3.5150@trndny02...
    >
    >>This guy in California's pimping an IBM Thinkpad 560X, No battery, no H.D,
    >>boot errors
    >>
    >>$25 shipping and handling for 2 POUNDS ?
    >>
    >
    > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31554&item=3494359726&rd=1

    Shipping weight isn't listed, as far as I can see. Two pounds seems
    awfully light, even if it is stripped down. *Decent* packaging should
    add at least a pound to the package weight.


    >
    >>Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?
    >>
    >>-RP
    >
    >
    > Actually, it says there is a 2.1 GB HD and I don't see mention of boot
    > errors. Also, padding the S/H costs on Ebay is just a way to lower listing
    > and selling fees. It's against Ebay rules but unless it's really egregious,
    > there's not much that can be done. The seller can always argue the costs of
    > handling: time, box, packing materials etc.

    I really doubt such a seller would "negotiate" S&H fees once the auction
    is over. After all, placing a bid assumes you fully understand and agree
    to *ALL* the seller's terms.

    Still, I've dealt with S&H "gougers" in the past, and have taken it up
    with a USPS rep near my area. For those sellers who charge outrageous
    S&H fees (USPS), I was advised to notify the USPS branch near the
    seller's area to file a report so they could investigate. But even then,
    the seller could argue that the "excess" goes to "handling,"
    "packaging," "processing," etc.

    In the end it's like you said, there's not much that can be done...
    except to browse for similar items from sellers who are FAR more
    reasonable with their S&H policies.


    >
    >
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    "EM" <1@1.1> wrote in message
    news:fnCNc.83697$Np3.4025596@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
    > Ian S wrote:
    > > "RP Jones" <revRP@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > > news:GvtNc.10649$3k3.5150@trndny02...
    > >
    > >>This guy in California's pimping an IBM Thinkpad 560X, No battery, no
    H.D,
    > >>boot errors
    > >>
    > >>$25 shipping and handling for 2 POUNDS ?
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31554&item=3494359726&rd=1
    >
    > Shipping weight isn't listed, as far as I can see. Two pounds seems
    > awfully light, even if it is stripped down. *Decent* packaging should
    > add at least a pound to the package weight.
    >
    >
    > >
    > >>Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?
    > >>
    > >>-RP
    > >
    > >
    > > Actually, it says there is a 2.1 GB HD and I don't see mention of boot
    > > errors. Also, padding the S/H costs on Ebay is just a way to lower
    listing
    > > and selling fees. It's against Ebay rules but unless it's really
    egregious,
    > > there's not much that can be done. The seller can always argue the costs
    of
    > > handling: time, box, packing materials etc.
    >
    > I really doubt such a seller would "negotiate" S&H fees once the auction
    > is over. After all, placing a bid assumes you fully understand and agree
    > to *ALL* the seller's terms.

    That's not what I meant. Postage is only one component of S/H and I meant to
    convey that the seller with a high S/H charge can argue that it is due to
    the cost of the box, padding and other shipping materials not to mention the
    time to actually do it. I'm not arguing that the seller is right to do so
    but if questioned he or she can make that argument. IMHO, $15-16 S/H for the
    item is more reasonable - I suspect the package will tip the scales at just
    over 4 lbs which USPS will treat as 5 lbs.
    >
    > Still, I've dealt with S&H "gougers" in the past, and have taken it up
    > with a USPS rep near my area. For those sellers who charge outrageous
    > S&H fees (USPS), I was advised to notify the USPS branch near the
    > seller's area to file a report so they could investigate. But even then,
    > the seller could argue that the "excess" goes to "handling,"
    > "packaging," "processing," etc.
    >
    > In the end it's like you said, there's not much that can be done...
    > except to browse for similar items from sellers who are FAR more
    > reasonable with their S&H policies.

    I think you'll find that most people take the S/H costs into consideration
    when they bid so the seller may get more S/H but lose some on final auction
    price.
    >
    >
    > >
    > >
  5. Archived from groups: comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Highly inflated S&H on E-Bay is not uncommon. In an extreme case, I've
    seen an item sold for $1 with a $100 shipping cost. Now why would
    anyone do this? Well, E-Bay gets a commission on the SELLING PRICE, but
    they get nothing from the shipping cost. There's an argument (I don't
    buy it, but there's an argument) that the breakdown of price vs.
    shipping cost is irrelevant, only the total amount matters. And there
    are people who also just don't read the "fine print" before bidding.

    Take a look in the Computers / Software / Operating System category at
    offers for OEM copies of Windows XP (Home or Pro). These can be shipped
    in an envelope for just over $1.00, they weigh 3 or 4 ounces (including
    a shipping envelope). MOST of the sellers are charging $10 to $20 for
    shipping.

    There are many other items as well that have highly inflated shipping
    costs. Any item under 2 lbs can be shipped Priority Mail (which is
    basically 2nd-day air service) anywhere in the US for $3.85. It is,
    however, unusual to find shipping costs of less than about $7, even for
    the smallest/lightest items.


    RP Jones wrote:
    > This guy in California's pimping an IBM Thinkpad 560X, No battery, no H.D,
    > boot errors
    >
    > $25 shipping and handling for 2 POUNDS ?
    > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31554&item=3494359726&rd=1
    > Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?
    >
    > -RP
    >
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    "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:4106FF41.70207@neo.rr.com...

    > There are many other items as well that have highly inflated shipping
    > costs. Any item under 2 lbs can be shipped Priority Mail (which is
    > basically 2nd-day air service) anywhere in the US for $3.85.

    Not true. It has to be 1 lb or less. One to two lbs costs $5.75.

    It is,
    > however, unusual to find shipping costs of less than about $7, even for
    > the smallest/lightest items.

    Well, just about anything requiring a box is going to weigh over a lb and so
    you're talking $5.75 to ship it USPS. Add a buck or so for the box and
    packing material and there you are.
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    > I suspect the package will tip the scales at just
    > over 4 lbs which USPS will treat as 5 lbs.

    I have a 560X Here, without a battery about 3.2 pounds, dimensions of 300
    sheets printer paper.


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    "Joe" <joe.amp@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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    > > I suspect the package will tip the scales at just
    > > over 4 lbs which USPS will treat as 5 lbs.
    >
    > I have a 560X Here, without a battery about 3.2 pounds, dimensions of 300
    > sheets printer paper.

    Well there's no way to get it packaged up under 4 lbs which means it will be
    treated as 5 lbs. If you err on the careful side and use a large box with
    plenty of peanuts, you could actually go over 5 lbs.
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    "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:4106FF41.70207@neo.rr.com...
    > Highly inflated S&H on E-Bay is not uncommon. In an extreme case, I've
    > seen an item sold for $1 with a $100 shipping cost. Now why would
    > anyone do this? Well, E-Bay gets a commission on the SELLING PRICE, but
    > they get nothing from the shipping cost. There's an argument (I don't
    > buy it, but there's an argument) that the breakdown of price vs.
    > shipping cost is irrelevant, only the total amount matters. And there
    > are people who also just don't read the "fine print" before bidding.
    >
    > Take a look in the Computers / Software / Operating System category at
    > offers for OEM copies of Windows XP (Home or Pro). These can be shipped
    > in an envelope for just over $1.00, they weigh 3 or 4 ounces (including
    > a shipping envelope). MOST of the sellers are charging $10 to $20 for
    > shipping.
    >
    > There are many other items as well that have highly inflated shipping
    > costs. Any item under 2 lbs can be shipped Priority Mail (which is
    > basically 2nd-day air service) anywhere in the US for $3.85. It is,
    > however, unusual to find shipping costs of less than about $7, even for
    > the smallest/lightest items.
    >
    >
    > RP Jones wrote:
    > > This guy in California's pimping an IBM Thinkpad 560X, No battery, no
    H.D,
    > > boot errors
    > >
    > > $25 shipping and handling for 2 POUNDS ?
    > >
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31554&item=3494359726
    &rd=1
    > > Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?
    > >
    > > -RP
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
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    Just don't bid on items with inflated s & h fees. I was recently looking at
    a IBM 600X TP and the guy wanted $50 S&H. I emailed him and pointed out that
    FedEx sells a box for laptops for $10 and even at say 15lbs shipping
    wouldn't be over $15 or so. He pretty much said bite me and that he padded
    S&H for his profit. I did not bid of course. Now that Kinkos is owned by
    FedEx using them will be easier.
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    E Brown <epbrown01@att.net> wrote in message news:<pircg0pipdc33qb5ded0qm429n8p7q8evg@4ax.com>...
    > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:19:18 GMT, "RP Jones" <revRP@NOSPAMverizon.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?
    >
    > Last time I checked - yes.
    > Emanuel

    FYI, auction closed at $43, add $25 shipping meaning someone bought
    this thing for $68.

    figure $20 for an AC adapter, $20-$30 for a used battery, and this
    person could be at $120 for a P200 laptop with 2.1GB HD.

    Last time I looked (about 5 months ago) there were scads of 560x
    laptops (P233, 4GB) with all the parts for about $100, S&H included.
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    Went for not a too bad price at the end. Theres lots of people out
    there who buy old laptops recondition them and then sell on. Even a
    second hand laptop can go for a few hundred in the shops.

    Sold my broken thinkpad (with no battery, HD, etc) last year for
    £70.00.

    Rich

    On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:19:18 GMT, "RP Jones"
    <revRP@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:

    >This guy in California's pimping an IBM Thinkpad 560X, No battery,
    >no H.D, boot errors
    >
    >$25 shipping and handling for 2 POUNDS ?
    >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31554&item=349
    >4359726&rd=1 Are that many stupid buyers on Ebay ?
    >
    >-RP
    >
    >
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    Sellers is a wiseguy
    Now he is selling a 600A **WITH** a battery + CD-ROM
    $20 shipping and handling ($5 less and its almost double the weight)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42203&item=3495453120
    Ebay should look into this racket


    > FYI, auction closed at $43, add $25 shipping meaning someone bought
    > this thing for $68.
    >
    > figure $20 for an AC adapter, $20-$30 for a used battery, and this
    > person could be at $120 for a P200 laptop with 2.1GB HD.
    >
    > Last time I looked (about 5 months ago) there were scads of 560x
    > laptops (P233, 4GB) with all the parts for about $100, S&H included.


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    "RP Jones" <revRP@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message news:<2JPNc.1780$Mr3.1587@trndny08>...
    > Sellers is a wiseguy
    > Now he is selling a 600A **WITH** a battery + CD-ROM
    > $20 shipping and handling ($5 less and its almost double the weight)
    > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42203&item=3495453120
    > Ebay should look into this racket

    Nah, seller is being open with his shipping costs as it is disclosed
    in the listing. Whether it is fair and reasonable amount is arguable.

    I didn't check to see how it is being shipped, but if it is like UPS
    he won't be able to ship for less than about $12. If he buys new
    boxes and packing materials, he might be getting close to $20 (tho'
    $15 is more reasonable, like someone else said).

    I think it's a racket when the seller does not disclose a price, then
    dumps a high S&H after the auction ends (unless the ad is specific,
    like "add $25 to the actual shipping costs to cover processing and
    packing materials" - that way, you'll have some idea that you're about
    to pay some hefty S&H)

    Maybe he's been following this thread and decided to drop his S&H a
    bit, eh?
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    YEP, Perhaps he's come to his senses and found he could get free boxes
    behind his local supermarket, junkstore
    Dumb Californians, You have to show them everything
    No wonder the place is all screwed up, complaining about the forest's and
    bankrupt !
    -RP

    "Anonymous Jack" <alordofchaos@yahoo.com> wrote in message > Maybe he's been
    following this thread and decided to drop his S&H a
    > bit, eh?


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    Agreed, people just give away obsolete junk before it worth nothing and make
    the money shipping.
    I been looking, it all over the web a swell as Ebay, just about ALL all the
    "discount" electronic camera stores.
    Here in NYC most all the mid eastern owned "discount Electronic" stores will
    only ship stuff (You cant pick up)

    http://www.photo.net/neighbor/view-one?neighbor_to_neighbor_id=90620
    These web stores deliberately ship defective camera's and laptops to keep
    the shipping charges, when a customer calls back and say "I never received
    my replacement" they say "that model is out of stock how about this....model
    its better " Then refund less the $50 shipping charge

    This guys is asking $9.95 shipping for a 14 oz ThinkPad 560 keyboard
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31568&item=3496928221&rd=1


    > > however, unusual to find shipping costs of less than about $7, even for
    > > the smallest/lightest items.
    > >


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