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Anonymous
December 3, 2004 5:58:59 PM

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I have been a Replay user for about 7 years and I really never had any
problems except for some freeze up problems with one unit. Well, we decided
to get rid of the one that was freezing (actually just put it in my kids
playroom) and get a new replay, but Best Buy had this great deal on a Hughes
Directv/Tivo combo STB for $100 that was too good to pass up (It always
annoyed me I had to use the Sat box for pay per view and Replay for
everything else). I'm still a bit new with it but I have to say, the
replaytv interface blows the doors off the Tivo one. Too many damn screens
to toggle through and no little red dots to tell you it is marked for
recording (But if you highlight the show, the little Tivo logo appears if it
has been marked). I was just wondering if I'm missing something. I haven't
had time to sit down and read the manual all the way through yet. Anyone
else here try Tivo? (And yes, I have posted questions in Tivo's forum as
well).

More about : replay tivo

Anonymous
December 4, 2004 1:23:04 AM

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"Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> shaped the electrons to say:
>everything else). I'm still a bit new with it but I have to say, the

Probably because you're still new with it and haven't tried the
shortcuts -
TiVo-TiVo = Now Playing
TiVo-1 = Season Pass Manager
TiVo-2 = To DO
etc.

There are ways to quickly jump to most of the main menus.

>replaytv interface blows the doors off the Tivo one. Too many damn screens
>to toggle through and no little red dots to tell you it is marked for

Most TiVo users don't seem to use the Guide for that, it isn't widely
missed. TiVo has a real To Do list, which ReplayTV didn't have, so
TiVo users use the To Do list to see all upcoming recordings in one
place instead of looking through the Guide.

They're different UI philisophies, and they both have features the
other doesn't have. Most people find the TiVo interface easier to use
for novice users, which is the point of their design - and why they've
won awards for usability. But not everyone is going to like it - no
one UI is ever liked by everyone.

Personally I *never* use the Guide. I pretty much never use LiveTV
for that matter, I think watching LiveTV is pointless if you own a
DVR.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Anonymous
December 4, 2004 3:41:43 AM

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Version 1 of the TIVO interface had all that....
They must have gone backwards in ease of use....

CW
"Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Sa%rd.1023141$Gx4.764885@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>I have been a Replay user for about 7 years and I really never had any
>problems except for some freeze up problems with one unit. Well, we decided
>to get rid of the one that was freezing (actually just put it in my kids
>playroom) and get a new replay, but Best Buy had this great deal on a
>Hughes Directv/Tivo combo STB for $100 that was too good to pass up (It
>always annoyed me I had to use the Sat box for pay per view and Replay for
>everything else). I'm still a bit new with it but I have to say, the
>replaytv interface blows the doors off the Tivo one. Too many damn screens
>to toggle through and no little red dots to tell you it is marked for
>recording (But if you highlight the show, the little Tivo logo appears if
>it has been marked). I was just wondering if I'm missing something. I
>haven't had time to sit down and read the manual all the way through yet.
>Anyone else here try Tivo? (And yes, I have posted questions in Tivo's
>forum as well).
>
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Anonymous
December 6, 2004 7:04:09 AM

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:58:59 GMT, Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> I have been a Replay user for about 7 years and I really never had any
> problems except for some freeze up problems with one unit. Well, we decided
> to get rid of the one that was freezing (actually just put it in my kids
> playroom) and get a new replay, but Best Buy had this great deal on a Hughes
> Directv/Tivo combo STB for $100 that was too good to pass up (It always
> annoyed me I had to use the Sat box for pay per view and Replay for
> everything else). I'm still a bit new with it but I have to say, the
> replaytv interface blows the doors off the Tivo one. Too many damn screens
> to toggle through and no little red dots to tell you it is marked for
> recording (But if you highlight the show, the little Tivo logo appears if it
> has been marked). I was just wondering if I'm missing something. I haven't
> had time to sit down and read the manual all the way through yet. Anyone
> else here try Tivo? (And yes, I have posted questions in Tivo's forum as
> well).

Have you noticed that TiVo provides a "To Do List", showing you at a
glance all the programs that are scheduled to be recorded?




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Anonymous
December 6, 2004 7:04:10 AM

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> Have you noticed that TiVo provides a "To Do List", showing you at a
> glance all the programs that are scheduled to be recorded?
>
>
Nice if you have a single recorder. Replayers tend to be a little more
sophisticated on average, have more than 1 unit, and use DVArchive which
is much more comprehensive than a simple To-Do list.
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 12:47:11 PM

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Tony D wrote:

>
>> Have you noticed that TiVo provides a "To Do List", showing you at a
>> glance all the programs that are scheduled to be recorded?
>>
>>
> Nice if you have a single recorder. Replayers tend to be a little more
> sophisticated on average, have more than 1 unit, and use DVArchive which
> is much more comprehensive than a simple To-Do list.

Don't have TIVO but DV-Archive does that with my Replay

Upcomming shows

Even color codes so I know when to use the ATI card or the VCR to grab a
show
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 12:51:36 PM

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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:37:54 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>> Have you noticed that TiVo provides a "To Do List", showing you at a
>> glance all the programs that are scheduled to be recorded?
>>
>>
>Nice if you have a single recorder. Replayers tend to be a little more
>sophisticated on average, have more than 1 unit, and use DVArchive which
>is much more comprehensive than a simple To-Do list.

DVArchive should work fine with only 1 Replay.

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paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 2:03:53 PM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:37:54 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Have you noticed that TiVo provides a "To Do List", showing you at a
>>>glance all the programs that are scheduled to be recorded?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Nice if you have a single recorder. Replayers tend to be a little more
>>sophisticated on average, have more than 1 unit, and use DVArchive which
>>is much more comprehensive than a simple To-Do list.
>
>
> DVArchive should work fine with only 1 Replay.
>
Yes but if you only have 1 unit it would be kludgy.
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 4:39:20 PM

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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:03:53 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:37:54 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Have you noticed that TiVo provides a "To Do List", showing you at a
>>>>glance all the programs that are scheduled to be recorded?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nice if you have a single recorder. Replayers tend to be a little more
>>>sophisticated on average, have more than 1 unit, and use DVArchive which
>>>is much more comprehensive than a simple To-Do list.
>>
>>
>> DVArchive should work fine with only 1 Replay.
>>
>Yes but if you only have 1 unit it would be kludgy.

In what way?

--
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has a Replay 5xxx
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 9:25:10 PM

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"Tony D" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Lloyd wrote:
> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:37:54 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>DVArchive which
> >>is much more comprehensive than a simple To-Do list.
> >
> >
> > DVArchive should work fine with only 1 Replay.
> >
> Yes but if you only have 1 unit it would be kludgy.

I'm not sure "kludgy" is the right word, here, unless you're emphasizing
that the DVA "Upcoming Shows" feature loses it's advantage over Tivo's "To
Do" list in a single Replay unit scenario -- since a Tivo user wouldn't have
to go to their PC to view upcoming recordings.

DVA's "Upcoming Shows" feature is a major bonus for Replay users (regardless
of number of devices) due to the absence of a built-in Tivo-like "To Do
List"; however, the DVA "Upcoming Shows" feature blows Tivo's "To Do List"
out of the water in a multi-RTV environment, providing a merged view of
shows to be recorded and their associated conflicts. The only remaining
drawback is that not all conflicts can be resolved remotely, a limitation of
the ReplayTV remote programming featureset.
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 9:25:11 PM

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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:25:10 GMT, "Karl Kaufman"
<krkweb@comNOcastSPAM.net> wrote:

>
>"Tony D" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:7uudnVzKquV3HyncRVn-3A@comcast.com...
>> Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:37:54 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>DVArchive which
>> >>is much more comprehensive than a simple To-Do list.
>> >
>> >
>> > DVArchive should work fine with only 1 Replay.
>> >
>> Yes but if you only have 1 unit it would be kludgy.
>
>I'm not sure "kludgy" is the right word, here, unless you're emphasizing
>that the DVA "Upcoming Shows" feature loses it's advantage over Tivo's "To
>Do" list in a single Replay unit scenario -- since a Tivo user wouldn't have
>to go to their PC to view upcoming recordings.
>
>DVA's "Upcoming Shows" feature is a major bonus for Replay users (regardless
>of number of devices) due to the absence of a built-in Tivo-like "To Do
>List"; however, the DVA "Upcoming Shows" feature blows Tivo's "To Do List"
>out of the water in a multi-RTV environment, providing a merged view of
>shows to be recorded and their associated conflicts. The only remaining
>drawback is that not all conflicts can be resolved remotely, a limitation of
>the ReplayTV remote programming featureset.
>

But DVA could still do better. There is a feature to search multiple
Replays to find ont which can record a show. That could be expanded to
search multiple showtimes (for the show being scheduled) as well.

--
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has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 9:40:22 PM

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"Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Sa%rd.1023141$Gx4.764885@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> ... Best Buy had this great deal on a Hughes
> Directv/Tivo combo STB for $100 that was too good to pass up ... Anyone
> else here try Tivo?

The main benefit, the killer feature really, of the DirecTV/Tivo combo DVR
is that you get 2 tuners.

I've used both DirecTivos and Replays (and have 3 of each installed at my
sister's DTV household), and feel each has their place. The 2-tuner
advantage of the DTivo is huge, but the Replays allow device-to-device
streaming, offloading/archival of video to PCs, and the ability to digitize
home movies. Unfortunately, the DirecTivos have not had the Tivo HMO
feature integrated/enabled, and so each DTivo is a standalone device
requiring duplicate programming between units if you want to be able to
watch a show in more than one location.*



* Unless you implement some alternate video distribution system.
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 11:25:54 PM

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"Karl Kaufman" <krkweb@comNOcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:qI1td.214101$R05.163424@attbi_s53...
>
> "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:Sa%rd.1023141$Gx4.764885@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> ... Best Buy had this great deal on a Hughes
>> Directv/Tivo combo STB for $100 that was too good to pass up ... Anyone
>> else here try Tivo?
>
> The main benefit, the killer feature really, of the DirecTV/Tivo combo DVR
> is that you get 2 tuners.
>
> I've used both DirecTivos and Replays (and have 3 of each installed at my
> sister's DTV household), and feel each has their place. The 2-tuner
> advantage of the DTivo is huge, but the Replays allow device-to-device
> streaming, offloading/archival of video to PCs, and the ability to
> digitize
> home movies. Unfortunately, the DirecTivos have not had the Tivo HMO
> feature integrated/enabled, and so each DTivo is a standalone device
> requiring duplicate programming between units if you want to be able to
> watch a show in more than one location.*
>
>
>
> * Unless you implement some alternate video distribution system.

My DTV has two USB input/output on it. I figured those were for networking.
Is that not correct?
>
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 11:25:55 PM

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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:25:54 GMT, "Glenn Greenstein"
<glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>"Karl Kaufman" <krkweb@comNOcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
>news:qI1td.214101$R05.163424@attbi_s53...
>>
>> "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:Sa%rd.1023141$Gx4.764885@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> ... Best Buy had this great deal on a Hughes
>>> Directv/Tivo combo STB for $100 that was too good to pass up ... Anyone
>>> else here try Tivo?
>>
>> The main benefit, the killer feature really, of the DirecTV/Tivo combo DVR
>> is that you get 2 tuners.
>>
>> I've used both DirecTivos and Replays (and have 3 of each installed at my
>> sister's DTV household), and feel each has their place. The 2-tuner
>> advantage of the DTivo is huge, but the Replays allow device-to-device
>> streaming, offloading/archival of video to PCs, and the ability to
>> digitize
>> home movies. Unfortunately, the DirecTivos have not had the Tivo HMO
>> feature integrated/enabled, and so each DTivo is a standalone device
>> requiring duplicate programming between units if you want to be able to
>> watch a show in more than one location.*
>>
>>
>>
>> * Unless you implement some alternate video distribution system.
>
>My DTV has two USB input/output on it. I figured those were for networking.
>Is that not correct?


That's one thing USB ports could be used for, if there wasn't already
an ethernet connection. What they would be useful for is a keyboard.
However the ports are nonfunctional. They don't even provide power.

--
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 1:22:21 AM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:


> DVArchive should work fine with only 1 Replay.

That is how I have it set up.. ONe Replay, 3 copies of DVA, (one
actually running as I type this. Haven't gotten the linux one to
install yet, haven't spent but about 10 minutes trying, don't know linux
well enough. No time to work on it)
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 3:09:33 AM

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"Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> shaped the electrons to say:
>My DTV has two USB input/output on it. I figured those were for networking.
>Is that not correct?

In theory - but DirecTV, in their infinite wisdom, has decided to NOT
enable the USB ports, and to therefore not allow things like
networking, multi-room viewing, music and photos, online scheduling,
and TiVoToGo. Thanks DTV, wouldn't want to confuse your users by
actually offering *features*.

The conspiracy theory is that Rupert doesn't want the TiVo units
getting all fancy because he wants to start deploying NDS DVRs next
year, and it wouldn't look good to have the TiVo units doing all kinds
of things NDS can't do.

Fortunately there are hacks to enable networking, along with video
extraction and a lot of other stuff.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Anonymous
December 7, 2004 1:29:10 PM

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MegaZone wrote:

> In theory - but DirecTV, in their infinite wisdom, has decided to NOT
> enable the USB ports, and to therefore not allow things like
> networking, multi-room viewing, music and photos, online scheduling,
> and TiVoToGo. Thanks DTV, wouldn't want to confuse your users by
> actually offering *features*.

My understanding is that Sonic Blue, when they first came out with the
Replay, was seriously threatened with/by legal action regarding the
ability of the replay to stream shows unit-unit.. This may be why my
5504 won't stream to the internet (Not that I can not work around that
little "Feature")

TiVo was not so threatened, or so they told me at the time.

Personally... That was about the day I decided on Replay over TiVo

(And why too)
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 1:38:08 PM

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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:29:10 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>MegaZone wrote:
>
>> In theory - but DirecTV, in their infinite wisdom, has decided to NOT
>> enable the USB ports, and to therefore not allow things like
>> networking, multi-room viewing, music and photos, online scheduling,
>> and TiVoToGo. Thanks DTV, wouldn't want to confuse your users by
>> actually offering *features*.
>
>My understanding is that Sonic Blue, when they first came out with the
>Replay,

That would be the Replay 4000 series. Older Replays were built before
Sonic Blue got involved.

> was seriously threatened with/by legal action regarding the
>ability of the replay to stream shows unit-unit.. This may be why my
>5504 won't stream to the internet (Not that I can not work around that
>little "Feature")
>

None of the units have internet STREAMING. They do stream locally, but
internet connections are too slow for that. The 4000 and pre-5500
units can COPY shows across the internet. These are different
operations.

>TiVo was not so threatened, or so they told me at the time.
>
>Personally... That was about the day I decided on Replay over TiVo
>(And why too)

And then there's the ability to copy shows to a computer (it's
streaming, but DVArchive turns it into a copy).

--
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paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 8, 2004 3:19:21 PM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:


>
> None of the units have internet STREAMING. They do stream locally, but
> internet connections are too slow for that. The 4000 and pre-5500
> units can COPY shows across the internet. These are different
> operations.
>

I should have said "Sharing" and you are mistaken about the speed of
internet connections. Some are fast enough though you need a server
grade connection on the source end... My dsl is fast enough to accept a
stream (With bandwidth left over) from a Replay, but not fast enough to
send one. (Not nearly fast enough) Cable,,, Might just do it on a good
day, Server grade connections (T-line) should not have a problem)

However, in any case, I really meant sharing, not streaming.

But that is how I first heard about Replay, When the anti-sharing
folks threatened legal action (or attempted, it's been long enough that
I forget)

These are the same folks (or type of folks) who are responsible for much
of the headaches I have when I am working with digital audio files,
They are responsible for the term "Digital Rights Management" and Stupid
Copy Mangling System, ur, Serial Copy Management System and they are NOT
friends of mine even if I do qualify for membership in at least one of
their originations (ASCAP, RIAA, Screen Actors Guild and the like)
Anonymous
December 8, 2004 3:19:22 PM

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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:19:21 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
>
>>
>> None of the units have internet STREAMING. They do stream locally, but
>> internet connections are too slow for that. The 4000 and pre-5500
>> units can COPY shows across the internet. These are different
>> operations.
>>
>
>I should have said "Sharing" and you are mistaken about the speed of
>internet connections.

Sorry for the unintentional error. In this case, truth was a victim of
simplification (as it often is). However, reasonably-priced internet
connections usually are too slow. Streaming would require the sender
have an UPLOAD speed of at least about 2Mbps.

> Some are fast enough though you need a server
>grade connection on the source end... My dsl is fast enough to accept a
>stream (With bandwidth left over) from a Replay, but not fast enough to
>send one.

Download speeds are usually higher except on very slow connections. On
my internet connection (cable), it's 8 times the upload speed.

BTW, I've heard about a new fiber-optic system that should be fast
enough (even upload), it that's ever available to you.

>(Not nearly fast enough) Cable,,, Might just do it on a good
>day, Server grade connections (T-line) should not have a problem)
>
>However, in any case, I really meant sharing, not streaming.
>
>But that is how I first heard about Replay, When the anti-sharing
>folks threatened legal action (or attempted, it's been long enough that
>I forget)
>

Replay has existed for several years before that, although the
machines didn't support internet show sharing. They required a
phoneline.

>These are the same folks (or type of folks) who are responsible for much
>of the headaches I have when I am working with digital audio files,
>They are responsible for the term "Digital Rights Management" and Stupid
>Copy Mangling System, ur, Serial Copy Management System and they are NOT
>friends of mine even if I do qualify for membership in at least one of
>their originations (ASCAP, RIAA, Screen Actors Guild and the like)
>

It is my opinion that machines should not be allowed to try to enforce
these laws. One reason I was opposed to DiVX (the pay-DVD system, not
the more recent CODEC).


--
17 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 8, 2004 3:49:01 PM

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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:03:05 -0600, Mark Lloyd
<mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:


[snip]

>Sorry for the unintentional error. In this case, truth was a victim of
>simplification (as it often is). However, reasonably-priced internet
>connections usually are too slow. Streaming would require the sender
>have an UPLOAD speed of at least about 2Mbps.
>

A strange coincidence, a little while after posting that I got an
email about higher speed available here. It increases my 1M/128
connection to 4M/512 for the same price. They reguire going to thier
website to upgrade. That would be fast enough to RECEIVE Replay
streams.

[snip]

--
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 9, 2004 1:08:58 AM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:


>
> It is my opinion that machines should not be allowed to try to enforce
> these laws. One reason I was opposed to DiVX (the pay-DVD system, not
> the more recent CODEC).

In this, We have full agreement

I once wrote a letter, which was packaged with a Computer disk and sent
back to the publisher.. This was in my Commodore 64 days and the program
was Shanghai by the way (A Majhong class program)

The letter basically asked whey they had put copy protection on the disk
when all copy protection did was

1: Make the program hard to load
2: Risk damage to the customer's hardware
3: Increase the risk of warranty replacement needs
(Which, after all, is what I was asking for)
4: Make Mike Henry (Fast Hack'em) Rich and Famous

Actually,,, I used Kracker Jax to copy that disk

Note, I never had any trouble loading the K.J. copy It had the copy
guard removed.

Fact is, attempting to make machines enforce non-copy rules, Simply
makes the hackers who break the security rich and famous
Anonymous
December 9, 2004 2:08:16 AM

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wa8yxm@do.not.spam.arrl.net shaped the electrons to say:
>Fact is, attempting to make machines enforce non-copy rules, Simply
>makes the hackers who break the security rich and famous

Unless they live in the US, now it can make them felons under the
DMCA.

If you can't stop it with HW - make it illegal.

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