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January 13, 2010 5:36:03 AM

Hey all, I was upgrade my video card from a BFG 8800GTX to a new current Nvida Card... im looking to spend like 350 max. I was looking at the 275GTX Coop which is a 275GTX and a 250 GTS (used for cuda and physx processing or so i hear)... Anyways the card is worth 350 and i was wondering if it worth buying or if i should look at a different card?? Thanks for all the help.

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a b U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 6:02:33 AM

Any reason you want an Nvidia card because a shubham said the 5850 is much better performer and value
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a c 147 U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 4:46:52 PM

+2 for a 5850. especially if you are looking to drop $350. They are only $300 and perform beyond a GTX275.

The only exception would be Batman, which is heavy on the Physx (which in my thoughts is odd that a game would be that crippled on a game just because it doesn't support PhysX which is owned by Nvidia)
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 4:54:51 PM

Of course sinse he's upgrading from a 8800gtx, he could use it as a dedicated physX card with the work around. I don't know how well it works with Batman, but it does work well with Sacred 2 physX.
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a b U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 5:20:45 PM

Don't worry about physx.
Sell the 8800GTX.

With 2 cards your rig will consume more power and heat might be a problem(8800GTX is famous for heat related issues)
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 5:29:51 PM

He obviously wants physX as you can see by reading the post. Why are you determined to give him advise to avoid it?
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a c 229 U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 5:34:26 PM

bystander makes an excellent point. Decide for yaself if PhysX is in you future .....to see it in action in Batman and how it does w/ an 8800 check out these links:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/batman_arkham_asylu...
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/batman_arkham_asylu...

The 275 really doesn't have a spot in the marketplace right now.The 58xx should be considered the entry point for DX11 at 1920 x 1200. See the Dirt2 article on the THG Home page where the 5770 can't hit 30 fps w/ DX11 enabled.
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January 13, 2010 6:18:18 PM

5850 is a much better choice unless your specifically playing games that can take advantage of physX.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 7:12:22 PM

If you want to use PhysX you are better off using your current card as a dedicated PhysX card and a GTX 275 as your main card. There are too few games that take advantage of PhysX for the Co op card to be worth it.
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January 13, 2010 7:19:46 PM

Isn't some new API supposedly going to take the place of PhysX... one that is hardware agnostic? I like the idea of realistic physics in games... but I do NOT like the idea of one company having a monopoly on that technology.
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 13, 2010 7:22:13 PM

What I've done, and many are doing on guru3d forums, is to use a 5870/5850 as your main card, and your old 8800gtx as your dedicated physX card. Of course nvidia disabled their compatibility a while back on newer drivers. There is a work around for it, which I currently do.
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January 14, 2010 5:33:28 AM

Ok well for starters, i have a Core 2 Duo E6700 which im upgrading to a Core 2 Quad Q9400. So that give me a pretty solid boost there. Next I have a EVGA 650i Mobo designed for Nvidia Cards(not sure if that matters?). I see the 5850 is about a solid 15 frames better than the 275gtx (896mb) and Equal to the 275gtx (1792mb) And no Clue to what the 275GTX Coop would be. Next i would like to have a single card that can run a game @ 1920x1080. Also i would like something that has Physx in it, because im a Huge fps fan and im pretty sure FPS will see more of the Physx put to use in that genre of games. Ive hated ATI since i had the ATI Radeon 9600xt model with the free copy of HL2. Poor Driver support kept that card back as well as the 9800xt... anyways i sure ATI has come a long way, and i see in charts that Dx11 ATI card over power and beat Nvidias Cards which are DX10... No i also understand Nvidia has the 300GTX series coming out which is Physx DX11 and GDDR5 ram??? Still stuck on which to buy for 350 as a max. :(  more help please thanks everyone.
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 5:54:35 AM

vipboy28 said:
Ok well for starters, i have a Core 2 Duo E6700 which im upgrading to a Core 2 Quad Q9400. So that give me a pretty solid boost there. Next I have a EVGA 650i Mobo designed for Nvidia Cards(not sure if that matters?). I see the 5850 is about a solid 15 frames better than the 275gtx (896mb) and Equal to the 275gtx (1792mb) And no Clue to what the 275GTX Coop would be. Next i would like to have a single card that can run a game @ 1920x1080. Also i would like something that has Physx in it, because im a Huge fps fan and im pretty sure FPS will see more of the Physx put to use in that genre of games. Ive hated ATI since i had the ATI Radeon 9600xt model with the free copy of HL2. Poor Driver support kept that card back as well as the 9800xt... anyways i sure ATI has come a long way, and i see in charts that Dx11 ATI card over power and beat Nvidias Cards which are DX10... No i also understand Nvidia has the 300GTX series coming out which is Physx DX11 and GDDR5 ram??? Still stuck on which to buy for 350 as a max. :(  more help please thanks everyone.


A GTX275 with 1792mb of RAM is not equal to a 5850. A GTX275 with 1792mb of RAM is only marginally better than a standard GTX275 in the majority of situations since it's not powerful enough to use anywhere near that much RAM.

A 5850 is superior to a GTX285, which is superior to a GTX280, which is slightly better or equal to a GTX275

If you want something with physX in it, get an ATI 5x00 series as the main card and a cheaper 2ndary dedicated Nvidia card. (ie. a $65 9600GT)
There aren't that many games with physX support, and the ones that do runs fine without physX.

Nvidia's fermi is coming out in March, but nobody knows the price or performance of the card.

If you can wait, just wait for Fermi to come out. If you don't want to wait, get a 5850 for $290 and a 9600GT for $65 for physX, or get a 5870 for $400, which is roughly equivilent to two 4870s or two GTX260s.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 1:16:10 PM

There is a difference between Physics and PhysX. PhysX is used in a few games and only Nvidia cards can take advantage of them. Batman is one, if not the only game that the lacking of PhysX support REALLY takes a hit. Basically because them employ it EVERYWHERE in the game.

For raw gaming and GPU performance you will want a 5850. However, if you know for a fact that you will be using PhysX (not Physics), then a GTX 275 at a higher cost but lower overall performance might be the best option.
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 3:12:00 PM

vipboy28 said:
Ok well for starters, i have a Core 2 Duo E6700 which im upgrading to a Core 2 Quad Q9400. So that give me a pretty solid boost there. Next I have a EVGA 650i Mobo designed for Nvidia Cards(not sure if that matters?). I see the 5850 is about a solid 15 frames better than the 275gtx (896mb) and Equal to the 275gtx (1792mb) And no Clue to what the 275GTX Coop would be. Next i would like to have a single card that can run a game @ 1920x1080. Also i would like something that has Physx in it, because im a Huge fps fan and im pretty sure FPS will see more of the Physx put to use in that genre of games. Ive hated ATI since i had the ATI Radeon 9600xt model with the free copy of HL2. Poor Driver support kept that card back as well as the 9800xt... anyways i sure ATI has come a long way, and i see in charts that Dx11 ATI card over power and beat Nvidias Cards which are DX10... No i also understand Nvidia has the 300GTX series coming out which is Physx DX11 and GDDR5 ram??? Still stuck on which to buy for 350 as a max. :(  more help please thanks everyone.


For starters, which I'm not sure why everyone keeps ignoring this, you should use your current 8800gtx as your dedicated physX card unless your old card is damaged.

That will save yourself some money to spend towards your main card.

Now we have to choose your main rendering graphics card. I see a couple options here. The gtx 275 as you've considered, or if you don't mind working around Nvidia's restriction to not allow dedicated physX cards to work with ATI, you could use a 5850 and follow guide to make them work together. I do this now and it works great.

This also allows you to test drive your current card as a dedicated physX card to learn if it's enough. From the benchmarks of Batman, it looks like it should perform incredibly well. From personal experience, it works incredibly well.
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 3:19:31 PM

bystander said:
For starters, which I'm not sure why everyone keeps ignoring this, you should use your current 8800gtx as your dedicated physX card unless your old card is damaged.

That will save yourself some money to spend towards your main card.

Now we have to choose your main rendering graphics card. I see a couple options here. The gtx 275 as you've considered, or if you don't mind working around Nvidia's restriction to not allow dedicated physX cards to work with ATI, you could use a 5850 and follow guide to make them work together. I do this now and it works great.

This also allows you to test drive your current card as a dedicated physX card to learn if it's enough. From the benchmarks of Batman, it looks like it should perform incredibly well. From personal experience, it works incredibly well.


Do you have any screenshots or benches using an Ati card as primary and an Nvidia for PhysX? I have and it is not fun at all, specially when the OS detects a driver confict. I used the old Nvidia drivers that did allow this kind of setup and I came to the cunclusion that it is a waste of time.
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 3:35:38 PM

OvrClkr said:
Do you have any screenshots or benches using an Ati card as primary and an Nvidia for PhysX? I have and it is not fun at all, specially when the OS detects a driver confict. I used the old Nvidia drivers that did allow this kind of setup and I came to the cunclusion that it is a waste of time.


I've been doing this for a month, ever since I put together my new system. I have not had a single conflict or issue. I set it up and have ignored it.

I ran 3dmark Vantage for you: http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=0787135B7DEDEE554C998F57AA45C24D
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 3:44:24 PM

What drivers did you use?

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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 3:58:40 PM

I forgot that I had my card underclocked for some experimenting.

Here is a better score: http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=F8160EE626FF4D4ADBDD4EA1CB8F2A0C

I'm using Geforce 190.62 for winvista 64bit (works on win 7 just fine)
and cat 9.12 with PhysX-mod-x64-1.01-lite (GenL hack)
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 4:06:08 PM

Sweet, I will have to try that once I get my 5850 =)
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 6:10:09 PM

Since I had never benched this machine prior to installing the physX card, I decided to see how much of a difference it really makes.

With all the same settings, but with physX disabled on the Nvidia control panel, this is what I scored: http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=839981FF717F6258C079EC95C9B10709

I lost about 2k points. I could really see it on the last test. Before I was getting about 100 OPS and without the physX, it dropped to about 30 OPS.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 6:27:42 PM

So Bystander, have you noticed any improvements in other games? I know batman REALLY takes advantage of this as the game is just poluted with PhysX graphics. But other than Vantage, any other benefits? Just wondering. I have a 5870 and could maybe get an 8800GTX from my buddy.
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 6:28:51 PM

You have to copy the page and upload it on photobucket/imageshack or equivalent. If you want others to see your score =)
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a c 147 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 6:31:55 PM

Hmm why don't your futuremark links work for me?
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 6:32:06 PM

jay2tall said:
So Bystander, have you noticed any improvements in other games? I know batman REALLY takes advantage of this as the game is just poluted with PhysX graphics. But other than Vantage, any other benefits? Just wondering. I have a 5870 and could maybe get an 8800GTX from my buddy.


Just Sacred 2. It looks pretty cool with the leaves flying around when you cast some of the spells, or just in a breeze.

Scorewise. I scored 20962 with the physX card and 18950 without. I'll have to find a place to upload the pics.
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 6:33:52 PM

jay2tall said:
Hmm why don't your futuremark links work for me?


Cause he copy-pasted the link instead of "print screen" and upload ;) 
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January 14, 2010 6:40:21 PM

not to be harsh or insult any 275 owners but they didn't have a place in the market when they were released. no good price point, performance point, etc. a 260 216 made more sense at the time they were released price/performance wise if you were insistent on Nvidia cards.
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 6:49:21 PM

kk, I'm getting an upload server setup at the moment.
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 6:55:09 PM

First attempt:
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 7:01:02 PM

Ok, now I just need a comfirmation that this worked. Anyways, both scores are my system, the one on the right is with physX, the one on the left is without.
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a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 7:19:51 PM

Yes Sir =)... nice scores!!
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a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2010 8:59:56 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
38k CPU score is the one that has been artificially inflated by physX


I'd say so. The 2nd CPU test runs much better with PhysX enabled. Without it enabled, I'm getting about 30 Operations per second, but nearly 100 Operations per second with it on.
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