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January 13, 2010 10:51:22 PM

I have a question to why my GTX 260 is getting pooped on by a 9800 gts a friend of mine has, our systems are nearly the same. Given that I have more ram then he, and he has a 1200watt PSU over my 530 watt PSU. The stats are the same, different hardware of course. Useing Resident Evil 6 Benchmark he recives about 45-50 fps, with the same settings (Full Everything) I am getting only 25-30fps. Any sugesions?

System:
EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 / CORSAIR XMS2 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 / AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core / ASUS M3A78-EM AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard / RAIDMAX HYBRID 530W 12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready PSU

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January 13, 2010 11:09:19 PM

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2

I think we found the botlteneck
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January 13, 2010 11:13:03 PM

The CPU runs at about 60-70%, like I said my friend has the same CPU. His isnt bottlenecking. Now like in wow I get like 14fps in one of the citys because my CPU is at 98-100. Thats bottlenecking.
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January 13, 2010 11:15:35 PM

He's not talking about bottle necks. He wants to know why he is getting slower performance than his friend who has similar system settings.

Anyways, I also have a GTX 260 216shader. I'm running a E5200 dual core 2.5gig 4gigs of ram. In resident evil 5 1680x1050 max settings I reach 40-50 FPS on the tests. There must be something wrong with your system. I don't know what though.


Is that AMD of yours a dual core? If it is, then you should get better performance than me because I'm only 2.5gig dual core.
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January 13, 2010 11:17:13 PM

it says up there on my system Dual - Core =P =)
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January 14, 2010 12:03:41 AM

tuesday0180 said:
Is that AMD of yours a dual core? If it is, then you should get better performance than me because I'm only 2.5gig dual core.

The two chips you are comparing have an entirely different architecture and cannot meaningfully be compared by clock speed. Your 2.5 ghz processor is actually better than his 3 ghz.
BTW you should overclock that E5200. It overclocks very well and should easily get up to 3.3-3.5ghz just on the stock cooler. Close to 4 ghz with a good fan/heatsink.
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January 14, 2010 12:51:04 AM

jyjjy said:
The two chips you are comparing have an entirely different architecture and cannot meaningfully be compared by clock speed. Your 2.5 ghz processor is actually better than his 3 ghz.
BTW you should overclock that E5200. It overclocks very well and should easily get up to 3.3-3.5ghz just on the stock cooler. Close to 4 ghz with a good fan/heatsink.


Aww i see. I would love to overclock, but my elite group motherboard doesn't allow it.

Anyways I still think he should get better frames in his resident evil game. My FPS jumped significantly when I went from a 9500gt to a 260gtx 216shader. I think the game is very graphic card intensive.
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January 14, 2010 1:34:17 AM

an x2 6000+ would be a pain to overclock, although i see no reason how a 3.0ghz am2 would bottleneck a gtx260.

i would assume you failed to install (this happens all the time) "AMD DUAL CORE OPTIMIZER", which is pretty much essential to having an old athlon x2.

check your heat levels as well as the old x2 6000+ was still based on a 90nm process (if i remember correctly).



Aww i see. I would love to overclock, but my elite group motherboard doesn't allow it. said:
Aww i see. I would love to overclock, but my elite group motherboard doesn't allow it.


you shouldve went with a similarly priced msi. 3.5ghz in a snap.
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January 14, 2010 1:37:31 AM

From Tomshardware's Building a Balanced PC part 1, it showed that Nvidia cards are more CPU dependent than ATI cards, and that even a P2D E6300 @ 2.8GHz bottlenecked a GTX260 in some games.

A PentiumDualCore E6300 is far superior to a E5300,
A stock P2D E5300 equals a X2 7850,
and a x2 7850 @ 2.8GHz is much better than a x2 6000 @ 3.0GHz

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=28&p2=90


But overall, your bottleneck shouldn't be that bad. So there must be something else involved...

Did you have an ATI card before? Driver conflicts?
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January 14, 2010 1:50:26 AM

What PSU is it?
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January 14, 2010 1:53:50 AM

A PentiumDualCore E6300 is far superior to a E5300,
A stock P2D E5300 equals a X2 7850,
and a x2 7850 @ 2.8GHz is much better than a x2 6000 @ 3.0GHz

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/def [... said:
p=28&p2=90
]A PentiumDualCore E6300 is far superior to a E5300,
A stock P2D E5300 equals a X2 7850,
and a x2 7850 @ 2.8GHz is much better than a x2 6000 @ 3.0GHz

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/def [...] p=28&p2=90


if you're talking end-to-end numbers, from the link you posted, with regards to gaming, i cant seem to figure out how an x2 7850 is much better than the old x2 6000+.
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January 14, 2010 2:32:38 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
From Tomshardware's Building a Balanced PC part 1, it showed that Nvidia cards are more CPU dependent than ATI cards, and that even a P2D E6300 @ 2.8GHz bottlenecked a GTX260 in some games.

A PentiumDualCore E6300 is far superior to a E5300,
A stock P2D E5300 equals a X2 7850,
and a x2 7850 @ 2.8GHz is much better than a x2 6000 @ 3.0GHz

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=28&p2=90


But overall, your bottleneck shouldn't be that bad. So there must be something else involved...

Did you have an ATI card before? Driver conflicts?




No I did not.
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January 14, 2010 5:46:49 AM

wh3resmycar said:
if you're talking end-to-end numbers, from the link you posted, with regards to gaming, i cant seem to figure out how an x2 7850 is much better than the old x2 6000+.

It isn't. The two processors are about equal. In fact all of the processors he mentioned are pretty close together in terms of gaming performance.
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January 14, 2010 5:56:06 AM

jyjjy said:
It isn't. The two processors are about equal. In fact all of the processors he mentioned are pretty close together in terms of gaming performance.


wh3resmycar said:
if you're talking end-to-end numbers, from the link you posted, with regards to gaming, i cant seem to figure out how an x2 7850 is much better than the old x2 6000+.


That was bad wording on my part. I was saying the E6300 is better than either of the AMD cpus, and even the E6300 is somewhat bottlenecking the GTX260.
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January 14, 2010 5:37:36 PM

No one has mentioned this one:

The motherboard has onboard graphics. Have they been disabled? You could be having conflicts between the 260 and the onboard.
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January 15, 2010 12:48:12 AM

well as people said before:
Make sure onboard graphics are disabled and install AMD's dual core optimizer
If nothing changes, try switching Graphics Cards with your friend, maybe its a faulty card afterall

Btw there is no 9800GTS its either a GT or a GTX, or maybe even a GTX+ (aka GTS 250) :pt1cable: 
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January 15, 2010 12:26:52 PM

I have not yet turned off the on board graphics. Im not sure how to for that matter. I will also have to install AMD's Dual-core optimizer. I will get back when I have done so.

"Btw there is no 9800GTS its either a GT or a GTX, or maybe even a GTX+ (aka GTS 250)" In his nvida, and system information ,and along with the program Sandra adress his card as a 9800 gts. Maybe there is a glitch or something?, but three different resources wouldent be wrong I would assume.

There is a 8800gts, but his resources still rep a 9800gts.
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January 15, 2010 12:51:33 PM

Ehh, your right. In any matter im going to try and DL AMD's Dual-core optimizer, along with disableing the on board graphics first before buying a new processor. Thanks for all the help!
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January 15, 2010 1:04:43 PM

Vertical Sync is off.
I do have Windows 7 installed.

I have three GB of ram because back when I wasent very computer savy I bought a 2GB stick from best buy to boost my old computers performance. Then about a year later I bought 2x2GB sticks from newegg.com and put those in the dual channel and then threw the old one in there aswell.
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January 15, 2010 1:10:23 PM

The extra 2 GB of ram may be putting my system in single channel. I just thought of that, but im not sure. The speeds are the exact same.
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January 15, 2010 2:19:49 PM

I just put in a AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor and ran a benchmark in RE5 and got 24.8 FPS(C). Two different processors with low, but average together benchmarks in a single game. Currently DLing
http://www.futuremark.com/benchmar [...] /download/
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January 15, 2010 2:48:33 PM

3DMark Score - 8782 3DMarks

SM 2.0 Score - 3203

SM 3.0 Score - 4202

CPU Score - 2723
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January 15, 2010 4:24:26 PM

any clues?
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January 15, 2010 7:30:05 PM

kylelively said:
any clues?


Instead of testing with other CPUs, you should try another GPU (your friends 9800GT) to eliminate the possibility of your GTX260 being faulty

Also, ok this might seem stupid, but i assume your Pci-e is set to X16 right ?
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January 16, 2010 4:11:23 AM




DISREGARD THIS IMAGE, READ THE POST BELOW
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January 16, 2010 4:15:49 AM

Core is 754MHz
Shaders is 1625MHz
Memory is 1324MHz
Congruent with a new version of evga precision.

I did not have the right pref level set when I took that screen shot.
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January 16, 2010 4:56:16 AM

I just uninstalled evga precision, and the nvidia drivers and reinstalled the nvidia drivers and my fps in a quick benchmark dint change.
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January 16, 2010 4:11:54 PM

No I did not, a teacher of mine lent it to me.
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January 18, 2010 3:09:23 AM

Reformat?
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January 18, 2010 3:21:38 AM

If you mean reinstall the OS then give it a go.
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January 19, 2010 6:16:37 PM

1. CHECK UR PCI EXPRESS FIRST IS IT 16X OR 8X OR 4X...

2. CHECK UR CARD ON UR FRIND SYSTEM IF IT WORK GOOD THERE THEN THE PROBLEM IS UR PSU MOST PROBABLY ...change PSU
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January 19, 2010 9:05:18 PM

coldplayy said:
1. CHECK UR PCI EXPRESS FIRST IS IT 16X OR 8X OR 4X...

2. CHECK UR CARD ON UR FRIND SYSTEM IF IT WORK GOOD THERE THEN THE PROBLEM IS UR PSU MOST PROBABLY ...change PSU


We already know the mobo, making 1. pointless.
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January 19, 2010 9:20:27 PM

Quote:
What?

SPQR will know what I'm talking about. ;) 
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January 20, 2010 3:43:51 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
SPQR will know what I'm talking about. ;) 


not really :p 
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January 20, 2010 6:09:10 AM

SPQR said:
not really :p 


SPQR = Senatus Populusque Romanus ?
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January 20, 2010 7:32:49 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
SPQR = Senatus Populusque Romanus ?


heh, my bad now i get it
to my defense, english is not my native language :ange: 
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January 20, 2010 4:46:54 PM

SPQR said:
heh, my bad now i get it
to my defense, english is not my native language :ange: 


:lol:  :D 
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February 1, 2010 10:31:48 PM

Its not underclocked, if you look at the post directly under the picture you will read that I said . . . .

Core is 754MHz
Shaders is 1625MHz
Memory is 1324MHz
Congruent with a new version of evga precision.


I did not have the right pref level set when I took that screen shot.


I have put the the Graphics card in another computer with a 650 PSU and the performance did not change.

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February 1, 2010 11:34:35 PM

Now put your friends 9800GT in yours ...
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February 3, 2010 7:53:39 PM

I did. The overall performance when down.
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February 5, 2010 4:06:34 PM













An EVGA tech asked me to run tests using OCCT program, but on their ticket system you cannot upload .pgn images. So, I decided to post them here as a double reference to tomshardware community and the EVGA tech. If you have any comments or suggestions to these graphs please comment!
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