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September 5, 2012 2:59:19 AM

Dear Users,

This is my FIRST build. I'm wondering what fan and heat sink setup to use to get the maximum 24/7 OC out of an i7 3770k. I'm going to use a Corsair 650D as my case, the Asus P8Z77 Pro/Thunderbolt motherboard, and a Corsair Hx 850W/70A Professional power supply. Originally I had planned to use the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo, but after I started looking I found that you can't get a very good OC using it. My shortlist for heat sinks is:

Coolermaster TPC 812- I like the size of this one. A lot lighter than the Noctua, but I don't know about the cooling capacity.
Noctua DH-14- Good cooler, unfortunately its rather HUGE and loud.
Havik 140- I've heard good things about this one, but again, it is rather large, but not as big as the Noctua.
Phantex PH14- Similar to the Noctua, nice colour scheme though :) 
Corsair H100- I realize that this is water cooling, and its a bit expensive, but if it'll let me hit a way higher OC than the air coolers, it'd be worth it. At the same time, is it easy enough to set up that a first timer can do it?

So that's my story, and I hope you'll all be kind enough to impart some knowledge to this noob.

Thanks,

John

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a b K Overclocking
September 5, 2012 3:25:37 PM

what's your budget?
but looking at your list, the NH-D14 is my recommendation, it's large yes, but one of the best performers listed, and not really that noisy?
a b K Overclocking
September 5, 2012 10:28:03 PM

Check it out mate ;
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

My short list of heatsinks, :p  ::::>>>>
1-Corsair Hydro H100 (two fans)
2-Spire Thermax Eclipse II(two fans)
3-Evercool HPJ-12025(two fans)
4-Thermaltake Frio (two fans)
5-Noctua NH-DH14

do consider these options:) 

Cheers!
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September 6, 2012 1:36:39 AM

Quote:
what's your budget?
but looking at your list, the NH-D14 is my recommendation, it's large yes, but one of the best performers listed, and not really that noisy?- nna2


I suppose I forgot to mention a few things in my original post. My budget for a cooler goes up to about the Noctua DH-14 range. If the Noctua will let me hit a 4.6GHz-ish 24/7 OC vs 4.0 GHz on a 212 evo or something like that, I'd definitely go with the Noctua.

I guess it comes down to what 24/7 OC I can achieve with each cooler.
Noctua NH-DH14
Spire Thermax Eclipse II
Coolermaster TPC 812
Coolermaster V6
Havik 140

What 24/7 OC/temperatures do you guys think I could hit on these heat sinks?


muhammadbii- Thanks for that list! I like the Spire Thermax more and more :p 
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 2:14:54 AM

the noctua is pretty much the top of the line air cooler, so that is my suggestion
September 6, 2012 2:40:13 AM

nna2 Thanks. The Noctua is definitely one of my top picks just because it really is the best of the best. (Within a few degrees anyways)
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 6:58:27 AM

Any custom watercooling loop will outperform the NH-D14 (and most of the air coolers)..

Noctua NH-DH14 is available for $90 while the CORSAIR H100 costs $95 (after rebate)..
So it'll be a wise decision to go for the H100, as with this you'll get a better "cost per degree" performance... Just add a few dollars in your budget and let the H100 do the work under High Overclocking:) 

Plus, the H100 will free up lots of space inside ur case and help with airflow around the case.

cheers! :) 
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 8:31:22 AM

Don't buy H-100 not worth it's price also has a high risk of failure here just a couple sources to get my point across:
Source 1 -- http://www.guru3d.com/news/corsair-has-bad-batch-of-h10...

Source 2 -- http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99472

Source 3 -- http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99361 at Idle temperatures, the NH-D14 and H100 preform almost the same, except that the NH-D14 is much more quiet.The H-100 has to have it's loud stock fans on high to barley beat the NH-D14 by 4c that's not worth $30.00 more for they are terrible cooling/value, it's sad that consumers see "Water-cooling" (IMO this is "fake" water cooling in that it's all in a closed loop) and they think it'll cool the best. However the temps speak for itself, a $75.00 air cooler can practically cool within a margin of error , if not beat, a $110 closed-loop WC solution with the dBA being similar. Sad. Anyway i would suggest (the Ncotua NH-D14 or Thermalright Silver Arrow)
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 12:10:05 PM

Go with corsair. For every one vocal complaint about the pumps going or being loud, etc, there are thousands of happy users... :) 

See it for yourself:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1278520/noctua-nh-d14-vs-cor...

PEOPLE WILL NEED TO GET THEIR FACTS RIGHT AND LEARN THAT WATER COOLING TRANSFERS HEAT FASTER THAN AIR! :p  :D 

And noctua ain't no cost friendly :( 
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

I see the H100 as a bridge product between Corsair’s lower end all in one water cooling units and custom designed loops and in this respect it succeeds very well. It is still less expensive and certainly less complicated than many other high performance cooling setups. But for those aware of the H100’s limitations, there is currently no better option out there for closed loop high performance liquid cooling.

kindly refer to these too:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsair-h100-review/10

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2012/01/09/cor...

Cheers!
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 12:24:10 PM

im pretty sure Bigcyco1 is aware that water transfers heat better than air

and that dosen't appear to cover all the issues with the H100
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 12:55:31 PM

Can't find any "Issues" in H100 personally...
Works like a charm :) 
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 2:48:40 PM

Compared to the coolers i compared it against?

Look, I get it. You got an H100 and you like it. You're mad that i don't also like it. But the fact remains, the H100 is inferior to top of the line air coolers while costing more. Nobody said it isn't a decent cooler, i simply said there are better coolers that cost less, like the Silver Arrow and NH-D14.

Quote :

Here's you a review with sound pressure, push/pull configs and ACTUAL READINGS in the graphs


And "here's you a review" with noise levels and cooling performance compared to the Silver Arrow, one of the coolers i recommended.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5054/corsair-hydro-series...

Notice how the H100 only beats the Silver Arrow by 1.2 degrees when on max, and 1 degree when on medium, which is basically just bumping into limitations of any cooling system that's not sub-ambient. Looking at the overclocked results when such a limitation isn't present, the H100's lead expands to 1.3 degrees on max, only ties it on medium.

Now look at this noise chart.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5054/corsair-hydro-series...

Notice how the Silver Arrow is significantly quieter than the H100 unless you set the H100 to its lowest setting. The Silver Arrow is a whopping 4.6c cooler than the H100 on low, and the H100's lead in noise is only 1.3 dB. On medium it's 5 dB louder (which only tied the Silver Arrow in cooling), and remember dB is a logarithmic scale, 5 dB is not a small difference. On max, the only setting that beat the Silver Arrow in cooling, it's an astounding 9.3 dB louder. That's nearly ten times as loud.

I stand by my statement. The H100 is louder and more expensive than top of the line air coolers and can only outperform them when it's producing much more noise. Nearly ten times as much noise, to be precise. If you are strictly considering budget and performance, the Corsair units are far and away a pointless investment compared to air cooling solutions that perform on-par for less money.


This is the main point i been trying to make.It's misguided misconceptions like these as to why so many people don't understand watercooling in the first place. A Rasa 240 RS kit starts at about $20 more than your H100 and will beat it hands down any day of the week. I'm not sure where you are shopping but H-100 retail @ $109.99.Bottom line... Phanteks
Thermalright Silver Arrow
Noc DH-14
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/super-...
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe...
http://www.kitguru.net/components/henry-butt/phanteks-p...
The Phanteks has a 5 year warranty, and some feel it looks better than most ..... color section on fans on other two some find horrible.

XSPC Rasa 240 for $129 You either choose a good air cooler that will provide the same cooling ability based on logic, you buy a LCS Corsair/Antec unit to say you 'watercool' but don't get any better results than air cooling, or you step up into actual watercooling.
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 3:12:36 PM

No mate, not mad at all :) 

Just a matter of opinion :) 
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 3:31:01 PM

muhammadbinmehroze said:
No mate, not mad at all :) 

Just a matter of opinion :) 
fair enough and i am glad your not mad :) 
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 3:57:32 PM

JohnGalt1, here are the stats...









Clearly shows, H100 is the Best one u can opt!
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 4:05:48 PM
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 4:31:57 PM
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 4:56:13 PM

bigcyco1 said:
o.k. i see your going to keep this non sense up here my suggestion OP start a new thread with a vote poll which ever get's most voted for get that ;) 


if he listed the sources i might beleve it, but looking at the links all i recognize is legitreviews, and 1 is from photobucket... cmon :pfff: 
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 5:07:15 PM

nna2 said:
if he listed the sources i might beleve it, but looking at the links all i recognize is legitreviews, and 1 is from photobucket... cmon :pfff: 
:heink:  Yeah oh well i am sure he means well but if price is of importance to op H-100 is a bad buy imo
a b K Overclocking
September 6, 2012 6:16:40 PM

Obviously and clearly, i haven't fabricated them...

Some one on this planet earth spent their time in comparing the coolers and hence came up with these stats.

And as u inquired about their sources, they are already given in their respective links :) 
September 6, 2012 11:53:49 PM

Thanks a lot guys. I have no idea why I haven't been able to find most of the charts or forums that you guys have linked here. I've narrowed it down the the DH14, or the H100. Probably going to go with the H100 mostly because I don't like the size(weight) of the DH14. You guys have been great.

Cheers.
a b K Overclocking
September 7, 2012 12:17:19 AM

JohnGalt1 said:
Thanks a lot guys. I have no idea why I haven't been able to find most of the charts or forums that you guys have linked here. I've narrowed it down the the DH14, or the H100. Probably going to go with the H100 mostly because I don't like the size(weight) of the DH14. You guys have been great.

Cheers.

Good choice mate!

Cheers!
a b K Overclocking
September 7, 2012 12:55:32 AM

Your welcome if you don't mind paying $30 extra bucks for 2c to 4c performance gain then once you notice the fans sound very loud and replace those at whatever extra cost you'll realize a rasa kit would of been your best bet but i am not trying to convince you if you think the H100 is worth all that then i think who am i to judge to each their own good luck!
September 8, 2012 8:47:04 PM

How about a H100 loaded with Noctua NF-P12's? :p 

OT: They're both great in my opinion.
September 9, 2012 2:33:29 AM

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How about a H100 loaded with Noctua NF-P12's? :p 

OT: They're both great in my opinion.- The Halo Don

(Don't know if this quote thing will work, wanted to try putting in the
Quote:
stuff manually rather than clicking the button :p )

I kinda feel the same way. If I knew that I were going to be leaving my desktop in one spot for the next two years, I would probably go for the Noctua. They're both top tier coolers, but I like the size and weight of the H100 more than the Noctua. I'll give her a try on the next build :D 

Plus it looks SIIICK in a 650D if you put orange fans on it.
a b K Overclocking
September 9, 2012 3:51:15 AM

Check this thread out before you decide then if you still think it's worth it so be it my conscious is clear and i will feel i made you fully aware of all the extra money your going to end up spending on something that will preform way less than a rasa kit and within a 2C to 4C at most better than a $80.00 heatsink http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/277130-11-read-firs...
a b K Overclocking
September 9, 2012 3:53:35 AM

nna2 said:
if he listed the sources i might beleve it, but looking at the links all i recognize is legitreviews, and 1 is from photobucket... cmon :pfff: 
Yeah,he just might not know the proper way to do it is include the source links i don't think those are rigged but didn't do it proper i understand another thing is you don't see the silverarrow in none those benchmarks :whistle: 
a b K Overclocking
September 9, 2012 9:45:02 AM

The Halo Don said:
How about a H100 loaded with Noctua NF-P12's? :p 

OT: They're both great in my opinion.

EXACTLY^^
a b K Overclocking
September 9, 2012 9:46:35 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Yeah,he just might not know the proper way to do it is include the source links i don't think those are rigged but didn't do it proper i understand another thing is you don't see the silverarrow in none those benchmarks :whistle: 

And.. Oh Yeah! :hello: 
Am a noob :pfff: 

Cheers!
a b K Overclocking
September 9, 2012 9:55:44 AM

muhammadbinmehroze said:
And.. Oh Yeah! :hello: 
Am a noob :pfff: 

Cheers!
Never said you were a noob i was suggesting it's possible you didn't know how to properly post benchmarks if you did then i don't understand why you didn't post links with your benchmarks images for proof of the sources of them it's common practice on TH and other forums.Otherwise there not creditable
!