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Can it be Built for less than $800 Phenom II x4 965 BE

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January 23, 2010 3:10:00 AM

Hello All,

I want to build a PC using the AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition processor due to my perceived Bang for Bucks. Thinking of a GIGABYTE GA-790FXTA-UD5 motherboard to use for this processor. I want to be able to run dual video cards at PCI-e 2.0 16x on both slots in crossfire mode. It is my first build, let me know what you think.


I will list parts and links to what I have looked at so far below.

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Middle of February(Tax Refund).

BUDGET RANGE: $800.00? Before Rebates.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Video/Photo Editing, DVD Ripping/Burning, Movies, Music, Publishing, and more.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Wireless Logitech 310x Keyboard & Laser Mouse Combo, Altec Lansing Speakers(for now), Dell E152FP(for now), HDD wd2500jb-57gvc0 250GB Western Digital?, DVDrw IDE 16x ATA.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg.com, TierDirrect.com, or any other recommended site.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: U.S.A.

PARTS PREFERENCES: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition, Crossfire w/ Two PCI-e 2.0 16x slots.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, I want to have the option to O.C.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes must have crossfire.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: currently 1024x768 on Dell E152FP, but was considering the AOC F22 1920x1080 30000:1 LCD(can buy one for $150.)

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Motherboards & CPU's

$189.99 AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W

$189.99 ASUS M4A79T Deluxe Motherboard - AMD 790FX, Socket AM3, ATX, Audio, CrossFireX, PCI Express 2.0, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0, SATA, RAID

$184.99 GIGABYTE GA-790FXTA-UD5 AM3 AMD 790FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD

RAM

$99.99 OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)

2 Video Cards

$97.99 SAPPHIRE 100245HDMI Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

PSU

$139.99 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

HDD's

N/A

Cases

$89.98 Thermaltake V9 Black Edition Blk Mid-Tower Case VJ400G1N2Z - ATX, mATX

Display's

$144.88 AOC 22 inch LCD 1920X1080 30000:1 F22 DVI Piano Black DCR HDCP


So far : $1045.92 , I would really like to lower this price if possible.


Any ideas appreciated!

And thanks for the ones given.

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January 23, 2010 3:54:58 AM

Swap the 965 and the M4A79T out for the 955 and the M4A79XT, it will save you a quite a bit and i doubt you will miss any of the additional functionality of the 790FX board, it really doesnt seem to be that much extra(i have that board, its nice but more than is really needed)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Its 261 instead of 380, you can use the extra to spring for a better PSU for crossfire down the line, you cannot SLI on an AMD board so you can rule that out.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

There is a fairly significant difference going from 2GB to 4GB of ram so its definitely worth moving a bit more of the budget to memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I also second the suggestion of a 4850 over a 5670, the 4850 will actually do quite well at 1920x1080, you can max stuff out but you can still play on quite high settings so its a good balance.
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January 23, 2010 7:17:43 AM

shubham1401 said:
Ditch Diablotek for this Corsair:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

Ditch 5670 for this 4850:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get a bit cheaper X4 955 instead of 965...They are basically the same processors.You can save some bucks.

Get at least 4GB RAM.




Thank You for your help shubham1401.

You say go for the AMD 955 instead of the 965? hmmm.......

Will that PSU handle my project? It is listed as a 400w PSU and i was under the impression that you needed a 650-700w to run dual video cards and 550-650w for a single video card?

Would like the Video Card to handle Directx 11 and be 128bit to 256bits if possible, have read that makes a big difference.

And yes I will be getting 4GB of RAM.

Thanks Again.
January 23, 2010 7:28:24 AM

There is very less performance difference between both 955 and 965.
There is $20 difference in price.
You can OC a 955 to 965 level even with the stock cooler.

The Diablotek that you've mentioned is a low quality unit while Corsair PSUs are known for the quality.That 400w unit I've mentioned is better than 650w Diablotek.

HD5670 isn't powerful enough to handle DX11 games.Thats why buying 4850 is a better option(Even the ppl who reviewed 5670 said it is better to invest in HD4850/GTS250 )

If you want a DX11 card that will be good enough then consider these ones:
HD 5750(Equal to HD4850 in performance)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or HD5770(It is same as HD 4870 which is better than HD4850)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



January 23, 2010 7:29:06 AM

And Yea...Corsair 400CX can handle all those cards mentioned without breaking a sweat
January 23, 2010 7:42:18 AM

hunter315 said:
Swap the 965 and the M4A79T out for the 955 and the M4A79XT, it will save you a quite a bit and i doubt you will miss any of the additional functionality of the 790FX board, it really doesnt seem to be that much extra(i have that board, its nice but more than is really needed)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Its 261 instead of 380, you can use the extra to spring for a better PSU for crossfire down the line, you cannot SLI on an AMD board so you can rule that out.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

There is a fairly significant difference going from 2GB to 4GB of ram so its definitely worth moving a bit more of the budget to memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I also second the suggestion of a 4850 over a 5670, the 4850 will actually do quite well at 1920x1080, you can max stuff out but you can still play on quite high settings so its a good balance.




First off - Thank You hunter315.

I really like the price on the combo you linked with the 955 and the mobo. Question though, what type of performance loss will I notice in running dual video cards in PCI-E 2.0 8x vs 16x? or do I even need dual video cards at all? I want to be able to play newer games coming out that use Directx 11 and the newest engines.

I don't understand why the PSU is so expensive, is there another unit that would be less expensive that would fit my build?

Really like the platinum RAM you picked out!! very nice....

Are you suggesting running a single video card for now too, and cutting the cost of a second video card and spending more on a PSU now?

Thanks Again for the help.
January 23, 2010 8:24:21 AM

shubham1401 said:
There is very little performance difference between both 955 and 965.
There is $20 difference in price.
You can OC a 955 to 965 level even with the stock cooler.

The Diablotek that you've mentioned is a low quality unit while Corsair PSUs are known for the quality.That 400w unit I've mentioned is better than 650w Diablotek.

HD5670 isn't powerful enough to handle DX11 games.Thats why buying 4850 is a better option(Even the ppl who reviewed 5670 said it is better to invest in HD4850/GTS250 )

If you want a DX11 card that will be good enough then consider these ones:
HD 5750(Equal to HD4850 in performance)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or HD5770(It is same as HD 4870 which is better than HD4850)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...





Thank You, I'm sold on the PSU, you have lost me on the video cards.

I don't know enough to see the difference in them. I would like to have Directx 11 capability for future games so I don't have to upgrade later. And would like to know what it is like to play my favorite games maxed out.

Are two video cards better than one? The motherboard has 8x PCI-E when using dual video cards, what will I notice there? And does 128bit vs 256bit matter? I would rather spend an extra bit of cash now while I have it, to not have to upgrade later when I might not have the cash to spend.

Thanks for the help.
January 23, 2010 8:35:15 AM

shubham1401 said:
Which PSU do you think is expensive? 750TX?
OR 400CX?

I've told because they are best quality PSU.They are covered with a very good warranty.

IS this cheap?
OCZ 600W Modxstream:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



The 750TX seemed expensive, I just didn't realize the importance of the PSU till now.

I do like the 400CX, due to it being a quality PSU, and good warranty is always nice.

And the OCZ 600w seems really nice too, which one would you pick? the 400CX or the OCZ 600w? and would they be for single or a dual video card set up?
January 23, 2010 10:13:52 AM

Just get a single HD 4850 for now.
DX11 Games can be played on DX10 card.
They'll run in DX10 mode.

You don't need 750TX for any of those cards mentioned so far.
Even a 400W Corsair will suffice.

Corsair PSU are more reliable than OCZ.(I'm using 1 in my rig too :)  )
But OCZ PSU are also good.



January 23, 2010 10:15:00 AM

I would pick Corsair 400CX or i should say I have already picked Corsair 400CX ;)  .

January 23, 2010 3:03:17 PM

If you want to run only a single card then the 400cx would work, but if you are intending to go for dual cards in the future the 750TX would be the better choice as it will handle two power hungry cards and you will never need to upgrade it for several years. Think of a good PSU as an investment into a part that wont go out of date for many years.

As for the difference between 8x/8x and 16x/16x crossfire, you are talking about at most a 5% difference with the 5850 which requires far more bandwidth than the 4850 so you wont get a noticeable difference.
January 24, 2010 5:48:50 PM

shubham1401 said:
I would pick Corsair 400CX or i should say I have already picked Corsair 400CX ;)  .



Great so I am going to get that PSU and two HD 4850's, any advice on the MB?
January 24, 2010 5:50:37 PM

hunter315 said:
If you want to run only a single card then the 400cx would work, but if you are intending to go for dual cards in the future the 750TX would be the better choice as it will handle two power hungry cards and you will never need to upgrade it for several years. Think of a good PSU as an investment into a part that wont go out of date for many years.

As for the difference between 8x/8x and 16x/16x crossfire, you are talking about at most a 5% difference with the 5850 which requires far more bandwidth than the 4850 so you wont get a noticeable difference.



Great so I am going to get that PSU and two HD 4850's, any advice on the MB?
January 24, 2010 7:06:06 PM

The 790X that i linked above is high quality and will serve you well, especially with the savings from the combo. The review about it not accepting the new C3 processors likely no longer applies as they ship the boards with the latest bios release but sometimes newegg has a buildup but the older board with the older bios's should have been shipped out by now.
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