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September 14, 2012 12:06:34 AM

Hey everyone,

Been reading here a lot lately, and I think I learned much, but I'm not entirely sure on some aspects. I priced out some components and I was hoping I could get some recommendations/comments on them.

For the core gaming machine I'm thinking the following:
Case: Thermaltake Level 10 GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133188

CPU: i7-3770K Ivy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501

MB: ASUS Sabertooth Z77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821

Video: Dual HD 7950's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150616

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaw X Series 32gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231562

Boot HD: 256gb Samsung 830 SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147164

Storage HD: 3xWD Caviar Black 2TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136792


My focus isn't the end all be all, more-so a high performance rig for the price. For example, I took 7950's over 7970's because I'm not sure the price increase is proportional to the performance increase.

As far Water cooling, so far I've picked out the following parts: (Now this part I'm completely new to)
RAD1: XSPC RX240 (Mounted on the top)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8522/ex-rad-145/XSPC_RX240_Dual_120mm_Radiator.html

RAD2: XSPC RX120 (Mounted on the rear)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8521/ex-rad-144/XSPC_RX120_120mm_Radiator.html

Pump/Res: XSPC Dual 5.25" Reservoir w/ D5 Variant Pump
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13884/ex-res-300/XSPC_Dual_525_Bay_Clear_Reservoir_-_w_D5_Variant_Pump_Installed.html

CPU: Heatkiller Rev3 Sockets 1366/2011 Nickel/Black
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14239/ex-blc-978/Heatkiller_Rev_30_Sockets_13662011_CPU_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_Nickel_Black_14016.html

GPU: 2xHeatkiller GPU-X3 79X0
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15068/ex-blc-1064/Heatkiller_GPU-X_79X0_Radeon_HD_7950_7970_Reference_Design_Full_Coverage_Water_Block_15020.html

Rad Fans: 3xGentle Typhoon 1850RPM
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10323/fan-674/Scythe_Gentle_Typhoon_120mm_x_25mm_Fan_-_1850_RPM_D1225C12B5AP-15_Hot_Item_.html

Once again, any feedback would be really appreciated. I've been building machines for years, but this will be my first foray into water cooling. What I really want out of this is a high performance machine, that's almost silent. One thing I haven't decided is if I want to get the Snow Edition case, with white tubing, or the black case with black tubing. :) 

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a c 324 K Overclocking
September 14, 2012 12:56:46 AM

The watercooling sticky should help you with some of the questions you might have. If you've read through that and understood everything, what questions are you most concerned with?
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September 14, 2012 1:33:03 AM

I read that sticky thoroughly and it's very informative, though I struggle a bit with the TDP portion.

Mostly I'm just having a hard time getting accurate info on whether or not what I've chosen is good enough for what I want to do. Also whether or not there are simply better solutions out there. i.e. Get a kit, then extend it.

I think the graphics cards run ~190w max and the processor runs around ~77w. I'm just not sure if the 240+120 is enough radiator for that. Also, not sure if the pump is good enough.

In addition, I'm not scared of cost, but if this setup is under performing, it seems costly. (~700$ without tubing/fittings)

And lastly, I was hoping to hear if anyone's setup any loops in the case I've chosen, and if they'd even recommend me continuing with that case.


Thanks again!
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a c 324 K Overclocking
September 14, 2012 2:34:37 AM

No, you have your TDP right on and your radiators to accommodate it- just remember that overclocking raises TDP.

Those components should perform well, but you might find them cheaper, or cheaper alternatives on other sites. CPU blocks will typically perform within 2-3C of one another regardless of a price difference of $30-$40 but some are a bit more free-flowing and some more restrictive than others.

Watercooling is good for CPU's especially at sustained loads or overclocking. GPU's can see temperature drops of 20-40C at 100% load when watercooled.
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September 14, 2012 2:35:43 AM

Sindaine said:
Hey everyone,

Been reading here a lot lately, and I think I learned much, but I'm not entirely sure on some aspects. I priced out some components and I was hoping I could get some recommendations/comments on them.

For the core gaming machine I'm thinking the following:
Case: Thermaltake Level 10 GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133188

CPU: i7-3770K Ivy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501

MB: ASUS Sabertooth Z77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821

Video: Dual HD 7950's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150616

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaw X Series 32gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231562

Boot HD: 256gb Samsung 830 SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147164

Storage HD: 3xWD Caviar Black 2TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136792


My focus isn't the end all be all, more-so a high performance rig for the price. For example, I took 7950's over 7970's because I'm not sure the price increase is proportional to the performance increase.

As far Water cooling, so far I've picked out the following parts: (Now this part I'm completely new to)
RAD1: XSPC RX240 (Mounted on the top)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8522/ex-rad-145/XSPC_RX240_Dual_120mm_Radiator.html

RAD2: XSPC RX120 (Mounted on the rear)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8521/ex-rad-144/XSPC_RX120_120mm_Radiator.html


i stopped reading there.... i doubt that a 240 and 120mm rads will be enough too cool all that.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
September 14, 2012 2:48:41 AM

7950 (x2) = 400w (200w/card)
3770k = 77-95w

~490-500w total

Your normal RX360 (or RX240 + RX120) easily can dissipate 600w with 1500-1800rpm fans. I'd say he's right on with his estimates.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
September 14, 2012 3:55:20 AM

I'm onboard as well, I want a Level10 to mod so any input I can offer I will,
Ps, white with black tubing :-)
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September 14, 2012 12:57:48 PM

I'm still not sure on how well that pump would perform, otherwise I think the only issue I'm running into right now is value. I think at the current cost, I'm getting less performance that I could. For example, if I purchased a kit, then extended it to include two vga blocks it would cost a lot less. But then I suspect I'd have pump issues.

Plus, I'm not sure I can fit anything larger than a 240 in the top and a 120 in the rear of the Level 10. Wondering if I should switch cases to something else, like the Obsidian 800D. I have a dremel, and I'm not scared to mod, but I don't want to go crazy.

P.S. White case + Black Tubing? I dunno, seems like the contrast of the bright outside would make it difficult to see anything inside the case without the panel removed, depending on lighting.
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September 14, 2012 1:58:36 PM

rubix_1011 said:
7950 (x2) = 400w (200w/card)
3770k = 77-95w

~490-500w total

Your normal RX360 (or RX240 + RX120) easily can dissipate 600w with 1500-1800rpm fans. I'd say he's right on with his estimates.


Hmmm.... does that means that the components that are going to be cooled are gonna stay @ ambient temperature???
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a c 324 K Overclocking
September 14, 2012 5:48:47 PM

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I'm still not sure on how well that pump would perform

I have the same pump, although not in a bay reservoir like that. It's a very good pump, so you shouldn't be too worried. I have pump > CPU block > GPU > GPU > 360 rad > 360 Rad > res > pump and works excellent.

Quote:
Hmmm.... does that means that the components that are going to be cooled are gonna stay @ ambient temperature???

No, it means his water delta would be less than 10C of ambient air temperature. There is a difference in water temperatures and actual temp readings reported by temp monitoring solution. Water or air cooling can never cool anything below ambient and only in an absolute best case scenario would water temp have a 0C delta, which would never happen. In short, no matter how well your water or air cooling is, you'll never achieve a delta of 0C.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
September 14, 2012 6:36:24 PM

Not without being exteme hehe, but Rubix is right, most people will never get that good a Delta, it takes real overkill/money and/or some ingenious tricks
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/275185-11-exploring...
If Op sticks a 1080 on the rearside of the case he'll be strolling along much cooler than with the 240+120, but the sacrifice/cost there is space and money, and most folks are happy enough with a 10'c delta measurement
@Rubix, I'm .69 of a Degree below ambient at the moment :p 
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a c 324 K Overclocking
September 14, 2012 7:34:03 PM

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@Rubix, I'm .69 of a Degree below ambient at the moment

Are you sure you're getting 100% accurate readings on both ambient air and your water temps?
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a c 190 K Overclocking
September 14, 2012 7:44:07 PM

Yup, you know my setup, one sensors in the res, others about two feet above the Pc on the wall,
I'm always -1'c/+2'c until I start gaming :) 
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