Now The Real Battle...... START

Its shows that Nvidia next generation GPU .............code name:fermi.........product series: Geforce 100 series>>>looks very

promising............

Will it demonish ATi (am a Nvidia fan..) lastest and oncoming GPU from the red team.............

only the future will tell us...


<RED> .............OR..........<GREEN> ........

<WHO WILL WIN>>..??

NONE

Now it's ATI

TOMMOROW will be NVIDIA

THE DAY AFTER TOMMOROW will be ATI

THE DAY AFTER that will be NVIDIA


This would never end

The chances of the Fermi bringing nVidia over ATI are very slim so far.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/0 [...] acturable/

EVEN if it does do better then ATI's best, it doesnt matter. it costs 2.5x as much to make as the ATI equiv, so there is no way it can be priced competitively without nVidia taking a loss.

No actually, ive only ever used nVidia GFX cards so far ( though i will be buying ATI here shortly ). im just not a blinded idiot fanboi to think nvidia is going to be like OMG WTF I MUST HAVE DIF CARDF!!!.1.111oneoneone.

Yea, But NVIDIA know market well.
The are aware of the current market situation of how ATI is dominating for couple of months.


So, you can't go on saying ''EVEN if it does do better then ATI's best, it doesnt matter. it costs 2.5x as much to make as the ATI equiv, so there is no way it can be priced competitively without nVidia taking a loss.''


And how do you know that FERMI costs 2.5x greater?


Even That article is not real.

Tell me, that the guy who wrote it has made the FERMI card.

You seen it?

How's that proven.
You have the card?

WOW, you are a lucky man to get it before anyone else.


WOW

I am fairly certain nvidia has stated themselves what the die size is going to be. and if you dont believe nvidia then why are you their diehard fanboi?

Regardless if what you say aside from what, a new respin ( which means waiting probably another 6 months for fermi ) no matter how you look at it fermi will cost more then ATI 's best chip to make. If nvidia decides to take the hit and have competitive pricing then good for them, either way its still a loss.

Well, the same thing again

Make thousands of predictions, but you attitude seems ''certain''


I am just pointing out that you can't be certain about FERMI yet

when Fermi and Cypress enter the rings another battle between Nvidiots and ATIdiots will go along with it

btw i'm looking forward to pure performance comparison between equivalent Fermi and Cypress regardless of price vs performance aspect.

What I've read and understand this will at least do DX 11 faster and better looking. if that took a bigger die, then so be it. Its useless to take a 40% performance hit like ATI's cards do. Fermi was shown screaming through Unigenes Heaven dx11 benchmark. And they are making claims of 50% faster than 5870. What counts is what this will cost at the store front. Not what some angry ati fan boi' deduces from die size and other guesstistics.

Just to get things back to earth here. Id remind everyone where these "benches" come from.
These are Fermi at their best. And hand selected at that. We still have to wait, as theyve really done nothing yet, just keeping their name in the race is all

Im interested in their new approach to triangle setup, even did a thread awhile ago on it, but no one contributed.
This could be nice for tesselation, or not. From what Ive read, its close to the way ATIs shaders are layed out, meaning, yes 5/1, but those 5 arent often used, so too may nVidias solution regarding its triangle setup, and tesselation, tho time will tell, and benches arent real world, so unigine may have to be taken with a grain of salt, too early to tell yet

Im done with upgrading for some time being since no games tend to need much power to run since most games are console ports. =[

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+1
Good one

Rumors are running that mass production on Fermi hasnt started yet, and wont for almost a month

According to this article
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=14600&all=1
The chips are already in mass production. When they hit, they are going to be a storm to be reckoned with. Single gpu flagship crown is their goal, I don't' think they are afraid to admit it. To expect them to bring less is wishful thinking.

Hemlock will not be touched by these nVidia single cards. The gap is too large. And as I said in my previous posts, even in these cherry picked scenarios nVidia doesn't quite win if you look deep enough, especially in the youtube benchmarks. In best case scenario the 360GTX will be ~ 10% better than the 5870. The higher end part with 512 CP (64 CP more than the 360GTX) will not come even close to the 5970.

Imagine this. What if I chose only 8xAA at 25x16 pitting the 295 vs the 5870? How ould that look in the best for 5870 and the worst for 295?

Like I said, we still have nothing, as nVidia is obviously showing a few bits of fermi at its best. Will it translate in real world? And will it do so thruout all games? No one knows.

They would be suicidal to launch at those prices. They've already pulled that with the 200 series and got screamed at over it. I doubt they'd repeat such a mistake.

It's going to probably beat a 5870, and probably not beat a 5970, so I'm guessing the pricing will lie somewhere in between that. $500-550 MSRP is imo the closest estimates I've heard so far.

As Jaydee put it though, "no one knows" yet

Nvidia will always beat ATI when it comes to compatibility, and that's the most important thing. A few framerates here and there really make no difference, but not being able to play games properly because of compatibility, makes a big difference. This is why I will stick with Nvidia from now on. ATI video cards just have too many hardware and software compatibility problems, and people know that, and that's why ATI cards sell for cheaper. Nvidia can command a higher price for their cards because they are the most compatible with better drivers.

People can deny this all they want to, but the the primary reason anyone even considers ATI cards is not because of a few framerates here and there, it's because they are cheaper. But Nvidia makes the better product, period.

You should see a doctor.

It is all fine and well you prefer brand X.. but don't try to spread your BS about what helps you qualify that choice in your head. Both brand have had their winners and losers, just like everything else in the world.

ATI has worse drivers. nvidia has a bad one now and then, but ATI just seems to consistently release products with crap drivers and then forces their customers to wait months for the hotfix drivers.

I agree both brands have had losers, but nVidia has had more consistent winners. Especially at the top end, that is why some people prefer them. You pay for reliability and performance with nVidia and that's usually what you get. ATI you buy because they are better value for your dollar, but they normally don't beat nVidia at performance, and usually not for very long. The past few months have been fairly unique in that regard. But ATI's win has been stunted by limited supply due to the whole TMSC incident.

Oh, and I will repeat this again before I am slandered over and over, I buy from both companies, whoever has the better product. I have stacks of cards from nVidia and ATI to prove it, going all the way back to the Riva TNT days

I keep hearing people on Tom's call everyone else a fanboi and say that ATI doesn't have driver issues anymore and I call BS. I've got plenty of evidence of people's **** going crazy on their fancy new 5800's cause of drivers, and they are now awaiting the 10.1 driver to fix it (it's still in beta).

I'm getting sick of the ATI biased people on these forums brandishing the term "fanboy" like some kind of weapon. Ohreally, that includes you.

You have to walk on eggshells around here to express enthusiasm for the announcement of a new fastest single gpu. you have to agree that Ati has immature drivers 5 months later and their will be more performance. you have keep in mind that a out of control troll will call you stupid because everyone is supposed to know she hates Nvidia and has the right to attack people. Thats what I see going on here.

OK, take that staement and replace it with nVidia, and their drivers. Doesnt this deserve some kind of feedback from such a statement? Or do I as a mod have to babysit every statement, and subsequent ones?