Is this a good computer?

Easily 4-5 years, or at least the CPU is 4-5 years old.

It's a dinosaur. Doubt it would handle WoW very easily. I would scrap together about $200 more and go buy a low-end Dell or HP and plan to possible stick in a new video card.

No, you won't be playing any games on that system unless you add a graphics card. The integrated GPU won't be good for anything more than a slideshow in games. That's just a used HP computer that I would say is between 4 & 5 years old.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=e...

Yeah, but he could add a HD4670 for not much and stomp the majority of computers I see people playing WoW on. And these people then say that it runs "great" on their computer.

That's true. If you can afford to spend another $70 on a 4670 then you should be able to get by depending on your monitor resolution.

XFX HD-467X-ZDF2 Radeon HD 4670 $69.99

Wow I never would have thought for a dual core computer to be 4-5 years old lol

What about this one?

- Gaming PC Specs:
Thermaltake Case
Asus P5Q Motherboard
E6400 Intel Duo Core Processor
4GHz DDR2 667MHz GSkill Ram
Western Digital Caviar 250GB HD
Sapphire ATI RADEON HD 4870 512MB GDDR5
OCZ 550w P.S.U
DvD-Rom Drive
DvD-RW Drive

Here is a nice one for $280

Viper Ver.1 Edition Gaming Case
MSI - P4N-SLI Motherbaord
2.8 Ghz Intel CPU

GeFORCE 8400 GS 512 DDR2 PCI-e video card
VGA-DVI Adapter

1 GIG DDR 2 533 MHz Ram with Capability of upgrade to 4 gigs.
320 GIG Maxtor HD
LG lightscribe Super Multi DVD writer 22x
DVD+ - R 22X/DVD+RW 6X/DVD-RAM 12X/DVD+R DL16X/DVD-R DL 12X/
CD-R 48X/CD-RW 32X
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 1394 edition model SB0090
TP LINK-WN821Nv2 - Wireless N USB Adapter 300 Klps+

Vertical upright Asus Heatsink with copper piping & high speed RPM Fan (Quick silver thermal paste)

120 mm intake fan at front of case
80 mm blue led intake fan on side of case.

120 mm blue led exhaust fan


2 Front USB ports

Front Audio Ports
6 USB ports in rear of Computer
Viper case features:
LED Displays of operation timing, CPU temp, HD usage display
Front opening latch for power and reset buttons. USB & Audio ports


NOTE: ALL SOFTWARE FRESHLY INSTALLED AND UPDATED!!!
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit edition, Nero Essentials 2009, AVG Anti-virus FREE edition, Adobe flash, Adobe Reader, Java.
Included is FREE ACER mouse and Keyboard, 2.1 speaker system, HP 17" Monitor.

That system would by a ton better than the first one. The E6400 was released about 3 1/2 years ago, but that system is still decent.

For how much?

The CPU was brand new 3-4 years ago. At least this build could be upgraded, but not to anything that's actually new. Everything you could get for it now is as good as it will be.

- Gaming PC Specs:
Thermaltake Case
Asus P5Q Motherboard
E6400 Intel Duo Core Processor
4GHz DDR2 667MHz GSkill Ram
Western Digital Caviar 250GB HD
Sapphire ATI RADEON HD 4870 512MB GDDR5
OCZ 550w P.S.U
DvD-Rom Drive
DvD-RW Drive


That one didn't have a price it said please contact. The second one I think is a steal for $280 What do you all think?

The graphics card is terrible with that second one

The MSI P4N-SLI board was released around September, 2005 and only supports either Pentium 4 or Pentium D chips. Saying that the chip is a "2.8 Ghz Intel CPU" doesn't tell us anything. It's most likely a Pentium 4.

The 8400GS is certainly not a gaming GPU. A system with 1GB of RAM and 64-bit Windows 7 is going to be anything but fast. I wonder if he even has a full version of Windows 7 or if he's trying to sell it with the release candidate that expires soon.

Which means the one you mentioned first is preferable to that one. It's definitely a steal for the guy selling it.

Oh so the one for $280 isn't even good? It looks like a gaming machine?

The 8400 would give you a windows 7 exp score of 3.6 or so. It might handle WOW, but not particularly well. Also the processor in this model is not as good as the second one you mentioned.

I think you should find out the price of the core 2 duo. If its under $350 its a good deal. You could start negotiation by making a $300 offer.

- Gaming PC Specs:
Thermaltake Case
Asus P5Q Motherboard
E6400 Intel Duo Core Processor -- not great, but much better than the pentium D. Overclocked it could be good.
4GHz DDR2 667MHz GSkill Ram -- pretty good.
Western Digital Caviar 250GB HD
Sapphire ATI RADEON HD 4870 512MB GDDR5 -very very good graphics--this would MAX WOW easily. (this card is worth $150)
OCZ 550w P.S.U ---also good. (worth $40)
DvD-Rom Drive
DvD-RW Drive


Note: that 4870 is like 10x as powerful as the 8400GS.

Agree. But if I were starting the negotiation, I'd start at $250...

Heh, Pentium D. Boy time flies, can't believe that was already 5 years ago. Anyway, the second one you mentioned with the E6400 and the Radeon 4870 would be a good way to go. The third one with the SLI board only supports netburst CPUs, so I wouldn't bother with it.

hmm now im confused. So the first one I mentioned we will scrap.
The second one with the duo core is the best?
The third one isn't as good as the second?

I thought the third was better then the second by looking at it but you all know a lot more then I do lol thats why I am asking. Which one will be the best for wow? And which one is the easiest and has the most variatey for upgrading down the road?

I appreacitate the help

The third one isn't even as good as the first one. It only has 1 GB of ram and what looks like a single core processor.

The second one is vastly better than either of the other two options. The video card in it is nearly new--and is alone is worth as much as the third build.

okay so I will see what he says for an offer and I will keep you posted on what happens. What would you say I should offer him for computer # 2

So everyone thinks this one is the best over the other

- Gaming PC Specs:
Thermaltake Case
Asus P5Q Motherboard
E6400 Intel Duo Core Processor
4GHz DDR2 667MHz GSkill Ram
Western Digital Caviar 250GB HD
Sapphire ATI RADEON HD 4870 512MB GDDR5
OCZ 550w P.S.U
DvD-Rom Drive
DvD-RW Drive

How much ram does that have^

That's by far the best computer of the three. There's a typo on the RAM. It should say "4GB DDR2 667MHz GSkill Ram". It has 4GB of RAM. I would be surprised if you can get that system for even close to the price of the other two systems, though. I bet he wants between $400 and $500 for it since it's a decent system.

Damn I don't want to spend that much lol

Like was mentioned above, you could offer him $250 - $300 for it, but don't be surprised if he laughs at you. What could it hurt, right?

True enough

Like we said at the beginning, if that 2nd computer is a wash because its too much just go for the original one. If you do that just go ahead and buy a HD 4670 from newegg, and you'll be set. It's definitely worth a shot for the one with the 4870 though.

Yes, the second of the three builds is by far the best.

Another option would be to save a little more and build your own.
With a little budgeting you could probably build your self a new AMD system for around $350 and still have room for future upgrades.

Well thats what I was thinking of doing but I thought it would cost a fortain. I have a pentium 4 right now could I just take everything out of it and start fresh with the tower still?

If it's a standard ATX case, sure. But a fairly good case can be had for $50 if it isn't. Besides, you'll prolly need a new power supply too.

It's a intel inside pentium 4 case. Whats so special about ATX cases?

It's just the technical specification. Dell mainly went off on a tangent a while back and made BTX cases which aren't compatible, it may also be a smaller Micro ATX case which would make you have to buy one of those. Just look up your model and it should tell you.

You could also part it out on ebay if you're gonna build something new.

Oh man I don't know it's just a big white case.
The motherboard number is 648fx-a rev 1.0 if that helps

Yes, Your Motherboard and case are ATX.

If you reuse your current case, DVD drive and hard drive you are looking at $355 after MIR's for a quite good build.
Take a look below:

AMD Athlon II x2 250 + ASUS M4A77D AM3 Motherboard COMBO: $120 after $10 MIR
4GB OCZ Reaper: $75 after $10 MIR
OCZ 500w PSU: $40 after $25 MIR
5750: $120 after $20 MIR

If you consider that you should go with the 4850 instead of the 5750. Its just as fast and $99-free shipping. The fact that its a slightly older card shouldn't matter in a budget build.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Although since you are looking to save money you would probably be happy with the next tier down: (~$70ish)
GT 240 DDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or maybe 4670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks for the links guys that really helped
Well as long as my case now can fit everything then I will just use it. It's big enough too. So I will look in too it. everything above is compatible with eachother right?
I would probley go with the 4850 it has the best reviews and it's $99 not bad. How long do you think until that motherboard turns old? Is it brand new on the market? Do I have much room for upgrading in the future?
I will need a dvd rom and a new harddrive but I can find them on kijiji (Buy and Sell website) or something to save some money.
As for the 4GB OCZ Reaper whats so special about it? Could I get any 4GB board and stick it in the motherboard? Been as that one is 75 bucks.
Thanks though guys you have been helpful

The 4850 is defiantly not a bad option.
It performs about the same as a 5750, just draws a little more power and drops the DX11 support for DX 10.1.

AM3 is AMD's latest socket and there should be plenty of room to grow in.
There is currently a good amount of triple and quad core CPU's you could drop in for a good upgrade.

There is nothing to special about the OCZ Reaper other than the tight timings and nice heat spreaders.
I chose that set mainly for the good price after MIR and because they are a quality pair.
The motherboard listed above takes DDR2 RAM, most kits should work.
You could probably shave a few bucks using your current RAM but you will want to upgrade to 4GB+ sometime in the near future.

Might as well get the HD and a DVD/RW straight from Newegg when/if you order the rest of the parts.
You can get an Inexpensive DVD/RW for $20 or a Better DVD/RW for $28.

For $48 you can get a new 320GB HD or for not much more you can get something larger and faster.
I would defiantly recommend against getting a used HD.
You never know how beat up they are or what might come with it...

I still vote for a tri-core for the CPU. It doesn't need to be in a combo, there are some 770 ECS boards for alot less than that too (if they're still there)

and a $55 samsung spinpoint F3 for the hard drive.

I would personaly recommend against a budget ECS motherboard.
Better to stick with a quality ASUS or Gigabyte.

If you factor in the combo deal and the MIR, the above ASUS board is only $55 above the cost of the CPU.
While there are some junk boards in the $40-50 range, I would consider the extra few $ well spent on a quality board.

Do you have any links for a quality board that isn't too much money and a cpu thats either duel, tri, or quad core thats not too much either that will be compatible with eachother. Thanks

Or is the AMD Athlon II x2 250 + ASUS M4A77D AM3 Motherboard COMBO good

I can't see this cpu being any good because it's $20 but is it?
Socket A 462 AMD 3000+ Barton core CPU

That's fairly good. But it's only going to be competitive with your P4, that thing is old. Dude, srsly, just go on newegg and type athlon ii x3. You'll see the tri-cores.

Well I don't have a visa so im trying to look on places near by first then I will look on sites

Is this any good for $50
E6400 C2D 2.13 for $50.00. Only has 2mb level 2 cache but a great overclocker.
At 3.04 g runs at 33c idle, around 48c playing COD4, using a aftermarket air cooler.

lol if you can make that out thats what he sent me in an email

I think the above combo is about the best deal you are going to get with out spending more.
If you want to upgrade to a tri or quad core in the future, you will have plenty of CPU's to chose from.
You should also have a good amount of overclocking headroom with that MB and CPU.

Yes, I would call it quite good for the price.
A 3Ghz dual core with a nice motherboard for $120 is a pretty good deal.

NO, it is a terrible CPU.
You will need a used motherboard (as Socket A is EOL) and RAM.
It will not be noticeably faster than what you have now and is just a waste of cash.

Luckily for you, Newegg takes more than just Visa  
You can pay with Pay Pal (directly from you account if needed), check and money order.
Other payment options can be found Here.

No, that would not be a good deal either.
As Your Motherboard is socket 478, it can not use a LGA775 CPU.
As such, you would need to purchase a new LGA775 board.
The cheapest board that could run it is $40, you are already looking at $90 combine.
If you want a board that can actually overclock it to the same speed as the new Athlon II, you will be in the same price range as the above combo  
Even if you did have a compatible LGA775 platform, I would still recommend against it.
The E6400 is a budget CPU from back in January '07.
The person selling it has already stated that it has been overclocked and there is no way of knowing just how bad he has treated it.
Overpriced and ill advised...

Yeah, if you aren't going to go up to what I was suggesting, just go with the combo this guy is talking about. You keep pulling up random crap and asking us if it's good without truly understanding what any of it is, or the implications of it. Stop it. Stuff like that is for people who know what they're looking at.

At the very least you could google some of it to find out, like that barton core, that it's like 5-6 sockets old.

This is what you guys are on this site for is it not??? To help others. Im just trying to build or find a computer for cheap.
Thanks for all the info Outlw6669

Yeah, we are here to help others. You've been given a perfect plan for what you should so at this point, but you ignore it, make new posts, and keep coming up with weaker and more random stuff from the last 10 years. Doing so isn't doing anyone any good.

lol im sorry I failed you