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September 20, 2012 1:54:22 AM

ok guys/gals, i've been working on this WC system for a couple days now, and i think i've almost got it finished. all i need now is to know how many of the fittings, that i have listed in the system, that i will need for this system. also, anything else I need to add/remove in order for this to cool my 3930k CPU and 3 of these --> EVGA 04G-P4-2686-KR GeForce GTX 680 w/ Backplate 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card?

Radiator 1 – $94.99
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8523/ex-rad-146/XSPC_...

GPU blocks - $347.97
3x http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16404/ex-blc-1157/EK_...

Pump - $119.95
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16737/ex-pmp-203/Swif...

Reservoir – $39.99
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13129/ex-res-276/Phob...

SLI fittings - $35.80
4x http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10959/ex-tub-689/Bits...

Tubing - $25.00
10ft X http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10688/ex-tub-660/Tygo...

Fittings - $107.88
12x http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6241/ex-tub-148/Bitsp...

Fans - $68.85
3x http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12365/fan-811/Scythe_...

CPU block - $89.95
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14214/ex-blc-977/Heat...

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September 20, 2012 3:04:05 AM

good system! (not that I know much about WC)
be sure you order the pump with compression fittings
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September 20, 2012 3:11:04 AM

dingo07 said:
good system! (not that I know much about WC)
be sure you order the pump with compression fittings


*lol, you don't know much about WC, and you're helping people in the WC section? why does that sound like a bad idea to me? :D 

*and yes, the pump does come with compression fittings
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 20, 2012 3:51:24 AM

Radiator $84.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

GPU blocks $350.85
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Pump $99.95 with 1/4" compression fittings
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Resivoir $37.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

SLI fittings $18
2x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Tubing $12.90
10' http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fittings $95.40
12x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fans $64.50
3x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Cpu block $89.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Silver killcoil $6.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

You can save about $70 by shopping at Performancepcs.com over Frozencpu.com , I shop at both places and have found performancepcs to be a little less expensive and what I can't get there I pick up at Frozencpu.com.
You don't need 4 sli connectors , you only need two. You can get a clear tubing and use a silver killcoil in the resivoir instead of using that silver antimicrobal tubing and when using distilled water put a drop of dye for color.
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September 20, 2012 4:40:56 AM

inzone said:
Radiator $84.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

GPU blocks $350.85
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Pump $99.95 with 1/4" compression fittings
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Resivoir $37.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

SLI fittings $18
2x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Tubing $12.90
10' http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fittings $95.40
12x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fans $64.50
3x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Cpu block $89.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Silver killcoil $6.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

You can save about $70 by shopping at Performancepcs.com over Frozencpu.com , I shop at both places and have found performancepcs to be a little less expensive and what I can't get there I pick up at Frozencpu.com.
You don't need 4 sli connectors , you only need two. You can get a clear tubing and use a silver killcoil in the resivoir instead of using that silver antimicrobal tubing and when using distilled water put a drop of dye for color.


1. Ok, so i actually decided to change the fans to these because they are much quieter: www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=pro... --> SY1225SL12SH (1,900 rpm version)

2. The kill coil is just the silver helix coil, and i just place that inside my reservoir, correct?

3. What are SLI fittings and what do they do/what are they used for?
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a c 150 K Overclocking
September 20, 2012 4:42:58 AM

3 GTX 680's and a 3930K can't be cooled by a single radiator. You'd need another 240mm or 360mm more rad space!
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September 20, 2012 5:02:47 AM

amuffin said:
3 GTX 680's and a 3930K can't be cooled by a single radiator. You'd need another 240mm or 360mm more rad space!


could i fit another one of those inside the Cooler Master HAF X case that i will be using?
Are you sure that i will need an extra rad with all those case fans and the side air duct with a fan for SLI cooling?
If i do need another rad and if it won't fit inside the case, then could i mount it externally?
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 20, 2012 6:00:49 AM

You can fit a 360 radiator up top and you can fit a 240 radiator on the outside of the case , the case comes with water hose holes already cut out in the back of the case.
The sli fittings are two piece fittings that make it easy to connect the video card blocks together so that you can feed the top card and have the water exit the bottom card and two of these fittings connecting the three blocks.
The HAF-X case is a big tower and will accomodate a lot inside but two radiators might be too much to try and fit.
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September 20, 2012 11:43:15 AM
September 20, 2012 4:13:41 PM

inzone, can you confirm the link Dingo07 posted?

also, i am still not sure on what fans would be best for this system. someone from another thread told me fans with high static pressure are best. can you all confirm/deny this and give me a link with the fans i will need and the number of them i will need? thanks

if you all need any information about the rest of my build to help you, just ask.
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 20, 2012 5:12:11 PM

The link that I gave you is for one type of sli fitting and there are severl different types of sli fittings. The link Dingo gave you is for one part of a different type and that style of sli fitting can come in a wide range of lengths to connect the cards with different slot spacings. When your setting up your video cards on your motherboard you need to know what the slot spacing will be before you buy any sli fittings. Your connecting three cards in sli so you'll have to have a motherboard that has the slots to support that and the spacing of those slots will be impotant. Here are the different styles of sli fittings.

This is the link from Dingo and these are a pair of fittings that work with a set of tubes that come in a three pack of various lengths.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

So these are the tubes that go with the first set of fittings and you need a set for connecting two video card blocks and then another set to go between the second and third cards.
These next fittings are slide fittings and they will extend to a certian length to make the connection.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

There is a large amount of sli fittings and connectors that can be used it would take some time to go through them all. The Swiftech fittings give you some illustrations at the bottom of the page so you can see the different configurations.
Here is a sli bridge that can be used if the spacing is right.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
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September 20, 2012 5:27:56 PM

Q: Are the slide SLI connectors prone to leaking because of the slide mechanism?

Wouldn't a single tube with compression fittings at either end be less prone to leaking?
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 20, 2012 5:41:44 PM

What motherboard are you getting?

The fans with a high static pressure are very good for radiators , it's not a necessity but they are better. A 360mm radiator will hold three fans on each side for a push/pull configuration or just three fans on one side for a normal configuration. The 240mm will hold two or four and the 480 will hlod four or eight.
That's for the 120mm version , then you have the 140mm version and it's 280 , 420 and 560 with the same setup of fans on one side or both sides.
If you put fans on both sides then your adding cooling power to the radiatr but youir also adding the overall size of it and you have to then figure out where it can be put.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Here are some fans to look at that have a high static pressure and good air flow.
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 20, 2012 5:47:36 PM

The single tubing with a comression fitting is a good choice but when connecting three video card blocks you don't have the space to start using comression fittings or even barb fittings with hose clamps. I have been doing water cooling for quite a few years and have yet to have a slide fitting leak. Ihave sveral in my system right now and they are in any spot I had chosen to use them and not just for the video card.
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September 20, 2012 6:46:00 PM

ok, good information guys, thanks. here is the motherboard i will be using --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and i would prefer to use the bridge, but how do i know what the spacing is for this motherboard? maybe you can just tell me

the easiest thing to do for the fans, i think, would be to do a normal config on the 360mm rad inside the case, and a push/pull config on the external 240mm rad. and plus the HAF X case comes with a 200mm fan already in the top, so i guess that would make the 360mm rad a push/pull config.

what do you think about these fans? --> http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13549/fan-889/Enermax... and how many would i need? 3 for the 360 rad, and 4 for the 240 rad, right?

if i do the 2 bridges, then i won't need any fittings for the vid cards then, right? but how many fittings and what type of fittings would i need for everything else?

here's the WC system again, so you don't have to scroll back up the page for it:

360mm Radiator $84.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

240mm Radiator $69.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

GPU blocks $350.85
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Pump $99.95 with 1/4" compression fittings
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Reservoir $37.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

SLI fittings $18
2x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p... (do i need these now?)

Tubing $12.90
10' http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fittings $95.40
12x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p... (how many and is this the correct type?)

Fans $
STILL DECIDING

Cpu block $89.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.p

Silver killcoil $6.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 20, 2012 9:12:36 PM

That's a rery expensive MB and it has a good selection of x16 slots so I would use slots 1 , 3 and 5 since you do have to skip a slot with the double bracket on the video card kind of forceing you to do that. By useing those slots you will be able to use the sli water bridge for three cards.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Here are some bridges and blocks to look at and decide what you want to go with , I had already linked the EK block so I didn't link it again. I have the Evga 680 Classified and went with the Classified Hydro Copper blocks and I have to say it looks great. I'll have to see about posting some pics.
There was a youtube video showing a guy mounting a radiator in the top of a HAF-X and using the 200mm as the top fan and two fans under the radiator for a kind of push pull setup. I don't know how that would work with two different fans.
If you use the water bridges you will still have to have some fittings to connect the bridge to the block.
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 20, 2012 11:22:28 PM

Here are some pics and they didn't come out too goo I'll have to take some in the daytime and see if they come out any better,






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September 20, 2012 11:28:04 PM

inzone said:
That's a rery expensive MB and it has a good selection of x16 slots so I would use slots 1 , 3 and 5 since you do have to skip a slot with the double bracket on the video card kind of forceing you to do that. By useing those slots you will be able to use the sli water bridge for three cards.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Here are some bridges and blocks to look at and decide what you want to go with , I had already linked the EK block so I didn't link it again. I have the Evga 680 Classified and went with the Classified Hydro Copper blocks and I have to say it looks great. I'll have to see about posting some pics.
There was a youtube video showing a guy mounting a radiator in the top of a HAF-X and using the 200mm as the top fan and two fans under the radiator for a kind of push pull setup. I don't know how that would work with two different fans.
If you use the water bridges you will still have to have some fittings to connect the bridge to the block.


ok, nice info and links. which bridge do you use? TBH i don't know much about open or custom loop WC systems, so you're gonna have to tell me what's best, instead of giving me links and telling me to decide :D 

and i've decided to go with this motherboard instead --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... its cheaper and will still do everything i need it to. also, what is the spacing like on this board? will i still need to skip slots in order for the bridge to work? i think i would need to, so i could run 3 cards, if i put the second one on the PCIE 3.0 x16 Slot (@x8), but then that card would be bottlenecked because its not running at x16 and only x8, correct? what did you do with your 680 classifieds? unless you only have two, then it would work for you.

and what do you think about these water blocks instead of those EK ones? --> http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

decent pics, definitely need clearer pics tho, its hard to see detail. that will definitely give me some good ideas of what i am going for, and a better idea of what i want my finished build to look like. im not sure, but it looked like you are liquid cooling your ram? why would you liquid cool 16GB 1866 RAM? also, what kind of lighting are you using? cold cathodes? i have thought about doing 3, 15" sound activated cold cathodes (1 green, 1 red, 1 blue) and 2, 6" UV cold cathodes. i think that would look really wicked! the UV cold cathodes are like a blacklight, right?

do you still have that youtube vid? it would definitely help me figure out that issue. thanks

let's get all of these questions out of the way, and then we can work out which fittings i will need and how many.
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 12:00:19 AM

Good decision on the motherboard , I have the exact one and I do like it the slots that I used for my two cards are 1 and 4 and that gives me x16 at each one. With three cards you will be using slots 1 , 2 and 4 that will give you the spaceing for using that bridge. Your slots will be at x16 , x8 and x8 and now don't be concerned with the x8 in thinking that it's cut in half or something. I had that very same concern a long time ago and I had actually e-mailed Evga tech support and asked about that and was told that the bandwidth is almost the same because the video cards cannot saturate evn a 2.0 pci-e slot that with the 3.0 pci-e slot your cards will be running at full speed and have no bottleneck or any kind of slow down at all. The bandwidth will be almost the same and be just a 1 or 2 percant difference. Besides with three cards you will have so high a fps that you won't notice anything.
I don't use a bridge to connect the two cards I use the sli connector that you see in the picture.
In a custom water loop system you can cool any number of components from cpu , ram, motherboard , hard drive , video cards and even psu. The closed loop will only do the cpu and there may be a closed loop that I saw once that did the cpu and one video card but the closed loop is really restrictive on what you can cool.
I do like the Evga water block because they are a full card water block and they do go from end to end and just look so much better but they do cost more. My Cassified water blocks were $169 each and Evga is the only brand that does this. I don't want to spend your money but since you have the Evga cards I would go with the Evga water blocks and bridge , it will look really good.
The youtube video was actually an install of the Corsair H-100 into the top of the HAF-X case and the two 200mm fans were left in the top to be used as the pull of the radiator. This shows the process of putting a radiator in the top and even though it's a closed loop cooler it woud be the same for any type of radiator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbH1mhZWRn8&feature=fvwr...
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September 21, 2012 1:32:55 AM

inzone said:
Good decision on the motherboard , I have the exact one and I do like it the slots that I used for my two cards are 1 and 4 and that gives me x16 at each one. With three cards you will be using slots 1 , 2 and 4 that will give you the spaceing for using that bridge. Your slots will be at x16 , x8 and x8 and now don't be concerned with the x8 in thinking that it's cut in half or something. I had that very same concern a long time ago and I had actually e-mailed Evga tech support and asked about that and was told that the bandwidth is almost the same because the video cards cannot saturate evn a 2.0 pci-e slot that with the 3.0 pci-e slot your cards will be running at full speed and have no bottleneck or any kind of slow down at all. The bandwidth will be almost the same and be just a 1 or 2 percant difference. Besides with three cards you will have so high a fps that you won't notice anything.
I don't use a bridge to connect the two cards I use the sli connector that you see in the picture.
In a custom water loop system you can cool any number of components from cpu , ram, motherboard , hard drive , video cards and even psu. The closed loop will only do the cpu and there may be a closed loop that I saw once that did the cpu and one video card but the closed loop is really restrictive on what you can cool.
I do like the Evga water block because they are a full card water block and they do go from end to end and just look so much better but they do cost more. My Cassified water blocks were $169 each and Evga is the only brand that does this. I don't want to spend your money but since you have the Evga cards I would go with the Evga water blocks and bridge , it will look really good.
The youtube video was actually an install of the Corsair H-100 into the top of the HAF-X case and the two 200mm fans were left in the top to be used as the pull of the radiator. This shows the process of putting a radiator in the top and even though it's a closed loop cooler it woud be the same for any type of radiator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbH1mhZWRn8&feature=fvwr...


ok good news about the mobo. but will i still be able to run 2 of the cards side by side in slots 1 and 2, even tho they have the double bracket?

and what about SLI? do they make a triple SLI connector that will fit the 3 cards in slots 1, 2, and 4?

if frequency for RAM doesn't matter anymore, then why do people still insist on buying 2133 MHz or higher RAM when they know it won't help them at all? why not just get 1066 MHz?

also, what kind of lighting are you using? cold cathodes? i have thought about doing 3, 15" sound activated cold cathodes (1 green, 1 red, 1 blue) and 6" Dual UV cold cathodes. i think that would look really wicked! the UV cold cathodes are like a blacklight, right?
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 1:50:06 AM

Yes to the slots 1 and 2 because there is a double space between slot 1 and 2 , then you have a x4 slot (#3) that will get covered by the second card and then the third card will go into the next slot #4. Then the sli connector will work fine because it's designes for that spacing , that's the flat hard one and not the flex one.
The ram frequency does help to a certian extent and maybe not as much on games but on applications and certian programs it will.
Iuse leds , I have a led strip on the bottom and a three group led on the side and the ram blocks came with leds that pluged into them and you can select the color. I have gone with blue this time and my last build was red. I don't like cold cathode as there is too much that goes with it for connections. The leds just have a three pin plug or two pin.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 21, 2012 2:28:45 AM

inzone said:
Yes to the slots 1 and 2 because there is a double space between slot 1 and 2 , then you have a x4 slot (#3) that will get covered by the second card and then the third card will go into the next slot #4. Then the sli connector will work fine because it's designes for that spacing , that's the flat hard one and not the flex one.
The ram frequency does help to a certian extent and maybe not as much on games but on applications and certian programs it will.
I use leds , I have a led strip on the bottom and a three group led on the side and the ram blocks came with leds that pluged into them and you can select the color. I have gone with blue this time and my last build was red. I don't like cold cathode as there is too much that goes with it for connections. The leds just have a three pin plug or two pin.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ok, cool. so 1866 will be plenty. and the flat hard SLI connector is what i'll need then. and about the LED strip lights. first, do they come in UV (like a blacklight and make stuff glow)? second, how good is the LED UV vs. the cold cathode UV, which will make the stuff glow better? third, are there sound activated ones that aren't UV and just green, blue, and red? fourth, the ones that aren't blue, green, and red, how is the color compared to cold cathode? brighter? more vibrant? or not?

so, what i want is dual 6" LED non-sound activated and 3, 12" LED strips (one blue, one green, and one blue) that are sound activated. do they make all of these?
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a c 150 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 2:30:51 AM

Save money on memory!

There's no real world difference between 1333mhz and anything above it!
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a c 150 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 2:57:01 AM

Cold cathodes are really nice, they give a more "glowy" effect then LED's!
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September 21, 2012 3:05:05 AM

ok, cool. and if i wanted to save money. could i just do 5 fans (2 on the 240 rad, and 3 on the other)? and is there anything else in this WC system that is overkill, so i could save some money and still achieve a similar effectiveness? i would like it to be no more than $750, if possible, or even less than $750, if you can do it with near the same effectiveness. right now we're looking at about $1100

360mm Radiator $84.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

240mm Radiator $69.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

GPU blocks $479.97
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Pump $99.95 with 1/4" compression fittings
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Reservoir $37.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Tubing $12.90
10' http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fittings $xx.xx
How many? http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fans $104.65
7x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Cpu block $89.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.p

Silver killcoil $6.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Other Fittings $xx.xx
STILL DECIDING
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September 21, 2012 3:07:31 AM

amuffin said:
Cold cathodes are really nice, they give a more "glowy" effect then LED's!
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/8909/img3652ze.jpg


yea, i think im gonna stick with 1, 15" blue cold cathode, 1, 15" red cold cathode, and 1, 15" green cold cathode (these 3 will be sound activated. the UV ones will not be), and then DUAL 6" UV (same as Blacklight, i guess) Cold Cathode (to make stuff glow :D ) its gonna look freakin' wicked!

Do you all think the 6” dual UV cold cathodes will produce enough light to light up my entire case inside?

Also, will i need a fan controller?

And is a push/pull config that much better than a push only config? Would a pull only config be better than a push only config? Or not?
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 5:47:07 AM

As far as the fans go you can do either way and that's your dhoice some people prefer the push/pull and others the one side only. It makes no difference on which side push or pull. Depending on the fans that you get you can put a fan controler for the radiator fans or both radiator and case. Having a fan controler alows you to get high speed fans and adjust them with the controler if you need extra and slow down when there's not much need.
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September 21, 2012 12:16:29 PM

ok, cool. and if i wanted to save money. could i just do 5 fans (2 on the 240 rad, and 3 on the other)? Would 5 fans be enough to cool the 3 cards and cpu?
is there anything else in this WC system that is overkill, so i could save some money and still achieve a similar effectiveness? i would like it to be no more than $750, if possible, or even less than $750, if you can do it with near the same effectiveness. right now we're looking at about $1100
would it be better to put the 360 rad on the inside and the 240 on the outside or the 240 on the inside and the 360 on the outside?

360mm Radiator $84.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

240mm Radiator $69.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

GPU blocks $479.97
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Pump $99.95 with 1/4" compression fittings
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Reservoir $37.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Tubing $12.90
10' http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fittings $xx.xx
How many? http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fans $104.65
7x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Cpu block $89.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.p

Silver killcoil $6.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Other Fittings $xx.xx
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September 21, 2012 4:37:33 PM

First thing I will say is that water cooling is an expensive option and that's why it's not for everybody , I've looked through your list and while you may be able to save a few bucks here and there it's not really worth the trade off. Your main expense is the gpu water blocks and by going with the Evga blocks it's costing a lot , about $100 more then going with say the EK or XSPC brands. But to me it's worth the extra because of the looks and the fact that it's a full card block, I have tried the others when Evga was not available and just didn't like the look and ended up selling them on E-bay when the Evga blocks became available. So for me I hope you keep them because I do think that later on you'll be glad you did.
An option to cnsider is this since water cooling is completely adjustable you can start out small and water cool the cpu and since the video cards come with fan coolers you could run them that way for now and switch over to water later to cut down the inital expense. By going with three GTX 680's there is really no need to overcloc them because you'll be getting very high fps by just running the three at stock and the fans would cool them in that mode.
Another option is to go with two GTX 680's and I'll tell you why , last year I decided to run three GTX 580 Hydro Copper 2 3gb and they did run great but I ran into MB problems and in all the mess that followed I ended up taking one out and running two. I found that I was still getting great gameplay and high fps on the games I was playing. MW2 maxed out at 91 fps which is all you can get because the game has a fps limit on it and BF3 was up around 90 to 100 fps so I was satisfied with that and sold the third card. When I switched over to the 680 classifieds I went with two because of that.
As I said these are all options and you have the choice of considering if you want to go with any of them or stay with your original plan.
The installation of the radiator is going to be what fits where, if your able to get the 360 inside up top then that gets the biggest radiator out of the way and then you just have to deal with the smaller one which will be easier. 5 fans will be enough for cooling the radiators and a lot will depend on what you are doing for overclocking. As I had said with three 680's you don't have to overclock those because you'll get very high fps just by useing three video cards.
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September 21, 2012 5:16:56 PM

inzone said:
First thing I will say is that water cooling is an expensive option and that's why it's not for everybody , I've looked through your list and while you may be able to save a few bucks here and there it's not really worth the trade off. Your main expense is the gpu water blocks and by going with the Evga blocks it's costing a lot , about $100 more then going with say the EK or XSPC brands. But to me it's worth the extra because of the looks and the fact that it's a full card block, I have tried the others when Evga was not available and just didn't like the look and ended up selling them on E-bay when the Evga blocks became available. So for me I hope you keep them because I do think that later on you'll be glad you did.
An option to cnsider is this since water cooling is completely adjustable you can start out small and water cool the cpu and since the video cards come with fan coolers you could run them that way for now and switch over to water later to cut down the inital expense. By going with three GTX 680's there is really no need to overcloc them because you'll be getting very high fps by just running the three at stock and the fans would cool them in that mode.
Another option is to go with two GTX 680's and I'll tell you why , last year I decided to run three GTX 580 Hydro Copper 2 3gb and they did run great but I ran into MB problems and in all the mess that followed I ended up taking one out and running two. I found that I was still getting great gameplay and high fps on the games I was playing. MW2 maxed out at 91 fps which is all you can get because the game has a fps limit on it and BF3 was up around 90 to 100 fps so I was satisfied with that and sold the third card. When I switched over to the 680 classifieds I went with two because of that.
As I said these are all options and you have the choice of considering if you want to go with any of them or stay with your original plan.
The installation of the radiator is going to be what fits where, if your able to get the 360 inside up top then that gets the biggest radiator out of the way and then you just have to deal with the smaller one which will be easier. 5 fans will be enough for cooling the radiators and a lot will depend on what you are doing for overclocking. As I had said with three 680's you don't have to overclock those because you'll get very high fps just by useing three video cards.


i like the idea of just air cooling the cards. each card comes with a fan, and my case has a side air duct with a fan, specially designed for cooling graphics cards. so that could work for bringing the costs down.
and i probably won't even overclock the cards, since there is no need to do so. and then i would only need one of the radiators in order to cool the CPU, which elimanates even more cost, but which radiator should i keep?
i won't need SLI fittings either, would i? and only 2 or 3 fans, depending on which radiator i keep, right?


and just so i know for the future, what is the diference between full water blocks (like the EVGA ones) and regular ones (like the EK ones)?

also, if i don't use a fan conroller, then all the fans will always run at max speed from the moment i turn the pc on to the moment i turn it off?

and what's your soldier name for BF3? i'll add you to my friends list

ok, so doing the modifying that i could so far, this is what i've come up with.
so far, the cost comes to $595.34 and that is using the 360 rad, 12 fittings (which i probably don't need that many now), no GPU blocks, no SLI fittings, and just 3 fans (i changed these again, these have a higher pressure, and more air flow for the same price as the ones i found at frozencpu.com)

360mm Radiator $84.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

240mm Radiator $69.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Pump $99.95 with 1/4" compression fittings
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Reservoir $37.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Tubing $12.90
10' http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fittings $95.40
12x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fans $71.85
3x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

CPU block $89.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.p

Silver killcoil $6.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 5:31:20 PM

Yes I would keep the 360 radiator and just three fans, the difference between the full card water block like Evga and the standard card water block like from EK is looks it just plain looks much better in the case , if you have a side window and are showing off the inside of the case. Since you have now lowered the overall cost I would get the fan controler because you don't want the fans running at full speed unless you have really quiet fans , lower then 20 dba. You won't need the sli fittings and don't forget if at some point you decide you want to water cool the video cards you can easily adapt the loop to accomodate that and add whatever you need.
Haven't played BF 3 in a while and am mostly playing MW2.
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September 21, 2012 5:43:33 PM

these fans ( http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p... ) say that they run at 15 dBA, but it doesn't say whether this is the lowest amount of noise it makes or the highest.

so, how many of the fittings that i have listed will i need for this WC system? and is this everything that i am going to need to cool my CPU? will i need any 45 degree angle fittings for making tight turns or will the ones i have listed work just fine?
oh and i almsot forgot, what do you think would be the best PC coolant for this?

360mm Radiator $84.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Pump $99.95 with 1/4" compression fittings
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Reservoir $37.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Tubing $12.90
10' http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fittings $95.40
12x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fans $119.75
3x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

CPU block $89.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.p

Silver killcoil $6.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 6:14:46 PM

Those fans are more for looks then for cooling power although they do cool the case and radiators you would buy those for looks. I have a couple of those but not for the radiators. These would give you better radiator cooling power because of the high static air pressure.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For fittings you need two for the pump , two for the radiator , two for the cpu block and three for the resivoir so 9 total.
Now you need a fill point and a drain point and the best place for that is you resivoir the top has a port and there are two on the bottom side and two on the bottom. I use the top for filling and one of the bottom ports for the drain.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

These can be used for filling and draining.
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September 21, 2012 8:18:53 PM

inzone said:
Those fans are more for looks then for cooling power although they do cool the case and radiators you would buy those for looks. I have a couple of those but not for the radiators. These would give you better radiator cooling power because of the high static air pressure.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For fittings you need two for the pump , two for the radiator , two for the cpu block and three for the resivoir so 9 total.
Now you need a fill point and a drain point and the best place for that is you resivoir the top has a port and there are two on the bottom side and two on the bottom. I use the top for filling and one of the bottom ports for the drain.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

These can be used for filling and draining.


nice fans, but why the quiet edition? why not the performance edition? the performance edition is only 50% louder and gives twice the pressure and nearly twice the airflow. and i can get a fan controller to make them quieter when i want.

ok, the filling bottle will be handy, but will i need two of the valves? and if i do, then i would put one on top and one on bottom, but when i remove the hose and valve to refill the reservior, then the hose and valve would be removed together from the reservior to prevent leakage, correct?
also, how does that valve connect to the tubing and reservior? i don't see any barbs or anything.

and i think i will go with distilled water for the pc collant. everyone seems to say that it is the best.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 8:29:50 PM

Coolant = distilled water.
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September 21, 2012 8:38:54 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Coolant = distilled water.


yea, i heard some awful reviews about premixed pc coolants and everything ive read says distilled water is the way to go.
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 21, 2012 9:42:44 PM

You don't need two of the shutoff valves you fill the resivoir at the top and just remove the screw plug that comes with it. you would leave the hose and valve in the bottom of the resivoir and you just need a barb fitting to connect the valve to the hose. You would put one of the compression fittings in the bottom of the resivoir and attach the hose to it and the the barb would go into the valve and the other end of the hose would go in the barb and sealed with a clamp.
You can get the fans that you want I always just put a link to show you a part that you can consider and not necessarily have to get.
I like using this water.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

By using this I add a bit of dead water or use a killciol for antimicrobal , you already have the kilcoil listed. Some times I will use a bit of dye if I want the tubing to be a certian color, since I use clear tubing.









As you can see I have the resivoir mounted on the outside rear and this spot is very covienent since I can easily take the screw plug off the top for filling and use the drain in the rear of the desk area.
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September 21, 2012 11:06:09 PM

ok, thanks for explaining. so the only thing i need now then is one barb to connect the hose to the valve. Can you suggest a good one?

Also, if i use those performance edition fans, then i will probably get a fan controller. Can you suggest a good fan controller?

and another question, my current build that i bought from alienware/dell has fans that automatically speed up or slow down depending on what it needs, but i don't actively adjust the speed of them like i would with a fan controller. how is that possible?
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 22, 2012 12:58:58 AM

Bitspower has good barb fittings and The Sythe Kaze master is a good fan controller.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

I just happened to take another look at your list of parts and realized that your getting 1/4" ID tubing , I think that 1/4" ID is too small and you need 3/8"ID or 1/2"ID for good cooling power. I always run 1/2"ID and I have had 1/4"ID and 3/8"ID also and found 1/2"ID to be much better.So a 3/8"ID and 5/8" OD would be a good choice.

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September 22, 2012 1:08:45 AM

inzone said:
Bitspower has good barb fittings and The Sythe Kaze master is a good fan controller.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

I just happened to take another look at your list of parts and realized that your getting 1/4" ID tubing , I think that 1/4" ID is too small and you need 3/8"ID or 1/2"ID for good cooling power. I always run 1/2"ID and I have had 1/4"ID and 3/8"ID also and found 1/2"ID to be much better.So a 3/8"ID and 5/8" OD would be a good choice.


ok, thansk for the link.

and if 1/2" ID is better, then shouldn't i do that, instead of 3/8" ID?
but then i'd have to change all of my other parts to be the right size for that, but that shouldn't be too hard.

and another question, my current build that i bought from alienware/dell has fans that automatically speed up or slow down depending on what it needs, but i don't actively adjust the speed of them like i would with a fan controller. how is that possible?
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 22, 2012 1:29:05 AM

Your fans are being controled by the bios and it does that acording to the heat That the different parts are generating mainly the cpu. If you change your tubing size to 1/2" you want to make sure that all the parts say 1/2" ID and 3/4" OD.
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September 22, 2012 1:34:16 AM

inzone said:
Your fans are being controled by the bios and it does that acording to the heat That the different parts are generating mainly the cpu. If you change your tubing size to 1/2" you want to make sure that all the parts say 1/2" ID and 3/4" OD.


what if certain parts are do not come in 1/2" ID and 3/4"OD? ex: i looked at the 360mm XSPC rads and all i saw were 1/4" ports on all of them. so what do i do then? try a different brand or get adapters?
and 1/4" ports means that without an adapter, the largest fitting OD that could fit in it would be 1/4" OD, right? or does it mean the largest fitting that can fit in it will have a 1/4" ID?
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 22, 2012 1:45:34 AM

No when looking at the radiators ports they are telling you the thread and it's G1/4, that's the standard thread for all port fittings. If you see something the says G3/8 then that is a different thread. All the fittings that you have in your list are G1/4 fittings. ID inside diameter and OD outside diameter are for tubing sizes , G1/4 is for thread size.
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September 22, 2012 1:56:44 AM

inzone said:
No when looking at the radiators ports they are telling you the thread and it's G1/4, that's the standard thread for all port fittings. If you see something the says G3/8 then that is a different thread. All the fittings that you have in your list are G1/4 fittings. ID inside diameter and OD outside diameter are for tubing sizes , G1/4 is for thread size.


yes, i realize all of that, but I want to change all of my parts to 1/2" ID and 3/4" OD, so wouldn't my rad need G1/2" ports?

also, i would like to change the tubing to UV reactive red. can you suggest something good for that?

maybe it would be easier if you changed all of the parts to 1/2" ID for me. im a noob when it comes to custom WC systems. here's the most recent list:

360mm Radiator $84.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Pump $99.95 with 1/4" compression fittings
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Reservoir $37.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Tubing $12.90
10' http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fittings $71.55
9x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fans $86.85
3x http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

CPU Block $89.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.p

Silver Killcoil $6.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Shut-Off Valve $18.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Filling Bottle 500ml $4.95
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

PC Coolant $8.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fan Controller $52.99
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
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a c 138 K Overclocking
September 22, 2012 2:00:57 AM

No such thing. As I said the G1/4 is the thread count or size it's a standard for all parts, if you look at your fittings they will also say G1/4 and this G1/4 has nothing to do with tubing size.
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September 22, 2012 2:18:28 AM

inzone said:
No such thing. As I said the G1/4 is the thread count or size it's a standard for all parts, if you look at your fittings they will also say G1/4 and this G1/4 has nothing to do with tubing size.


ok, i think im starting to understand, i'll go through the list, converting each part to 1/2" ID, and see what i come up with.
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