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January 26, 2010 7:30:26 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Two or three weeks

BUDGET RANGE: 1300 after rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, surfing the web, watching movies, music

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, and speakers

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

PARTS PREFERENCES: more or less what I have built thus far.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, people told me not to so it lasts longer?

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No idea :\

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 according to the monitor I picked out, I believe..

Sorry, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to computers. Building a computer from scratch. I probably need a different motherboard, one that has the slots I need to go dual Radeon HD 5770's later on. Think I read in someone's thread that my 650 watt would not be able to support dual video cards then? I plan on running window 7- 64 bit. Also I need a wireless card as well. Have a linksys router(802.11g), want something that I could play online games with minimal lag.

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Case: COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper SGC-6000-KXN1-GP Black Steel, ABS Plastic, Mesh bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video card: SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Heat sink: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD/CD: LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 24X DVD-R SATA Black 24X DVD Writer LightScribe Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: ASUS VH232H Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen Full HD 1080p LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 ASCR 20000:1 w/Speakers & HDMI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8 G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this
January 26, 2010 8:36:46 PM

5850!
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January 26, 2010 8:56:20 PM

First thing, replace that 6GB set with a 4GB set, as Lynnfield is a dual channel memory platform, so buying 6GB is either a waste of money or will lead to reduced performance compared to a dual channel set up if you put all three sticks in. Making this change will save around $60. Which allows you to get this motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro $180, which has two good PCI-E slots.
Alternatively you could put the savings from the memory into a 5850 like jim said, as then you would hardly have a need for crossfiring.
Here is a good combo for memory and the video card you chose:
CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 Cas 8 1.65V & SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5770 1GB $280
A good 650W PSU will be plenty for two 5770s.
Two better performing drives than that Western Digital are the Samsung Spinpoint F3 and Seagate Barracuda 7200.12, they perform better because they use 500GB platters, whereas I do not believe that that WD does, so if you can get either of those then it would be beneficial.
Overclocking might reduce the lifespan of a CPU, but only because of heat, and if a chip isn't mistreated it will last for a lot longer than you will want to use it.
Nothing wrong with your case, but I will suggest two cases that I like:
LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 $100 + $19 shipping (comes in a combo with a decent PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... )
Cooler Master CM 690 II $100 + $20 shipping (comes with a combo for the i5 750, if you don't already have it lined up for another combo)
And a very good case for air cooling:
Cooler Master HAF 922 $90 + $20 shipping.
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January 26, 2010 9:58:52 PM

Silvune said:
First thing, replace that 6GB set with a 4GB set, as Lynnfield is a dual channel memory platform, so buying 6GB is either a waste of money or will lead to reduced performance compared to a dual channel set up if you put all three sticks in. Making this change will save around $60. Which allows you to get this motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro $180, which has two good PCI-E slots.
Alternatively you could put the savings from the memory into a 5850 like jim said, as then you would hardly have a need for crossfiring.
Here is a good combo for memory and the video card you chose:
CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 Cas 8 1.65V & SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5770 1GB $280
A good 650W PSU will be plenty for two 5770s.
Two better performing drives than that Western Digital are the Samsung Spinpoint F3 and Seagate Barracuda 7200.12, they perform better because they use 500GB platters, whereas I do not believe that that WD does, so if you can get either of those then it would be beneficial.
Overclocking might reduce the lifespan of a CPU, but only because of heat, and if a chip isn't mistreated it will last for a lot longer than you will want to use it.
Nothing wrong with your case, but I will suggest two cases that I like:
LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 $100 + $19 shipping (comes in a combo with a decent PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... )
Cooler Master CM 690 II $100 + $20 shipping (comes with a combo for the i5 750, if you don't already have it lined up for another combo)
And a very good case for air cooling:
Cooler Master HAF 922 $90 + $20 shipping.


I appreciate your input and time. Do you think it would be better to keep my current mobo selected and get the card that jim suggested or switch to the mobo you listed that would allow me to use dual 5770's later on? Also, I will change to 4gb of RAM as you suggested, if for whatever reason I wanted to add more RAM later, just get another 2x 2gb RAM sticks with matching speeds?
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January 26, 2010 10:32:00 PM

Well the 5850 is a fantastic card, it can be beaten by two 5770s in crossfire tho and it would probably take you over $1300. So it's your call. If I was you I'd look at benchmarks between a 5850 and single and crossfired 5770s and pay attention to the games you are planning on playing to see if any setup provides an advantage. Also decide if you want to pay for a $300 card. Here are 3 to start off with:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1105/1/
And then choose the mobo according to what card you choose.
I'd kind of like to read a professional's opinion/review about which is the best cost/performance choice between running single cards or allowing the possibility of crossfiring.
Anyway, if you need to add RAM try and get sticks with the same manufacturer code as the original set. But if gaming is the most intensive thing you do 4GB is plenty.
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January 26, 2010 10:55:33 PM

After doing some reading, I decided to go with the crossfired 5770's. I will only get one for now, which should be fine for now and then I'll get the other later once the prices drop. So as you said I'll need a motherboard with two PCI-E slots. The reviews for the ASUS mobo you linked me seem to have problems with high pitch sounds. Are there any other mobo's you suggest I look at?

Thanks agian,
Nick
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January 26, 2010 10:58:03 PM

Silvune said:
Well the 5850 is a fantastic card, it can be beaten by two 5770s in crossfire tho and it would probably take you over $1300. So it's your call. If I was you I'd look at benchmarks between a 5850 and single and crossfired 5770s and pay attention to the games you are planning on playing to see if any setup provides an advantage. Also decide if you want to pay for a $300 card. Here are 3 to start off with:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1105/1/
And then choose the mobo according to what card you choose.
I'd kind of like to read a professional's opinion/review about which is the best cost/performance choice between running single cards or allowing the possibility of crossfiring.
Anyway, if you need to add RAM try and get sticks with the same manufacturer code as the original set. But if gaming is the most intensive thing you do 4GB is plenty.



going 5850 is more smart if you plan to upgrade to 2x 5850's in the future when a second 5850 lowers in price in a year or less. if you go dual 5770's, you're screwed if you ever intend to upgrade, or just out a lotta dough, son.


hey nick, check this mobo out

MSI P55-GD65 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $160

it's got a special button on it... man i want to press that button some day... *saving up 1400 for a nice rig...

don't go with those sqeally asus mobo's. only fan-boys talk good about em. seems 1 out of 12 are defective imo
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January 26, 2010 11:08:25 PM

Looks like the general consensus is to crossfire, regardless of which video card is chose. I went to newegg and looked up mobo's with two PCI-E 2.0 (which is what I'm looking for right?) and then went to top sellers.

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard w/ USB 3.0 & SATA 6 Gb/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And

ASUS P7P55D LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 26, 2010 11:31:03 PM

You also need to be looking for both slots to be x8 or higher. Don't restrict yourself to looking at motherboards with just 2 slots, as sometimes boards with 3 slots will have two at x8 and/or above and be cheaper than 2 slot boards.
Here are some boards that should be fine tho:
BIOSTAR T5 XE CFX-SLI $135
ECS P55H-A $130
EVGA 121-LF-E652-KR $150
Cheaper, but should be fine.
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January 27, 2010 12:22:57 AM

I checked out all the suggested motherboards and I think I'm going to go with:


ASUS P7P55D LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For some of them I took the manufacturer's warranty into account.

This is what I'm looking like right now:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

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On to what I hope is my last problem. My wireless internet, I have a linksys 802.11g and I was told it's best to get a PCI-E card for better gaming connections. Any thoughts?

Also now that I plan to go two 5850's later on should I invest in a 750 watt?

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