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a c 190 K Overclocking
October 1, 2012 7:45:56 PM

Ok, just a headsup for the crazies out there,
Ordered my parts for the next phase of the loop,

http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/product/841264/Ezetil-E1...
A set of QDC's and six feet of black tubing, and another Usb temp sensor to go in the water, I already have the matt black spraypaint required and more ducting I had left over from the radbox project
The chiller will be a removable module of the loop so I can run the Pc standalone, with either the radbox or chiller, or all three,
I'll do a mod log as usual of course but just wanted to let folks know the plan and get any feedback/questions answered in here so as not to clog the log up too much, that happens with my logs hehe
Speaking of which, here are links for the preceding carnage.
Main Pc
Radbox build
gfx cards mod
and I really will find time to add This into the loop at some point :p 
Lets get betting on the outcome shall we?
:p 
Moto
a b K Overclocking
October 2, 2012 5:01:20 PM

looks like it will be a cool project especially if you can remove the component hot swap style....just be prepared to insulate everything when cooling sub-ambient...looking forward to seeing the pictures of the outcome...what rig are you gonna be cooling with this?
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 2, 2012 6:04:47 PM

I run my tubing through 2" ducting already so I'm pretty sure further insulation will be unneccessary although I can do so if required :p 
975BE and two 6950 2Gb's is the heatware, links to the build logs will be added to the Op, I forgot to do that :) 
I've had 4.5GHz out of the chip but run at stock day to day, cards are stock but its not about removing heat really anymore and its as silent as anyone could like, this is just icing (no pun intended), exploring possibilities and engineering
Moto
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a b K Overclocking
October 2, 2012 7:50:14 PM

haha yea nice man that sounds like its gonna be a fun project....by insulation I meant around the motherboard socket so you do not get any condensation on the board. sounds like you got the whole thing down though
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 2, 2012 10:52:38 PM

I know a lot of people think/ are led to believe that insulation is vital for S.a. cooling but what they miss is the fact that the dewpoint differs depending on local humidity, extremes of temperature meeting at XXX will drench your system but user controlled variables like water mass, restriction and fans can subtly tweak you to near the dewpoint, but far away enough to not cause condensation, thereby negating the need for extreme ugly mb padding :-p
I already experience a -2'c to +3'c delta with an idle temp of 26'c in a 21'c room so adding this *should* get me cheerfully to 7-8'c below ambient with some tuning, which is right around the mark, I'm sure I can run the radbox with fans off for normal use and turn them on for gaming when I need it to work harder,
Moto
a b K Overclocking
October 2, 2012 10:55:43 PM

haha yea you def got it all down...me personally I would add that just for peace of mind....I dont like the possibility of having that one odd chance that my rig could get ruined by condensation
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 12:02:12 AM

Which is why I research and develop ideas months in advance of actually starting a project,
A lot of folks are worried about water in the Pc fullstop, with care and paying attention to what you do its safe,
If I remove that one possibility of condensation by educating myself as to how, when and why it occurs then I can feasibly keep this as a walk away low maintenance unit, but as is usual with W/c, I'd be stupid to not keep an eye on things, but thats just par for the course.
Moto
October 3, 2012 12:23:06 AM

Good luck mate, I look forward to seeing the results!
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 2:00:52 AM

Hopefully the parts should all be here soon so I'm getting ready , cheers for the support :-)
Moto
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 9:11:34 AM

Quote:
• Do not put liquids or ice directly into the inside compartment.


The above quote was taken from the Chillers PDF manual Moto, did you take that into consideration? Ryan
October 3, 2012 1:15:12 PM

Damn, looks awesome!
Can't wait to see your results!
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 1:53:07 PM

4Ryan6 said:
Quote:
• Do not put liquids or ice directly into the inside compartment.


The above quote was taken from the Chillers PDF manual Moto, did you take that into consideration? Ryan


I did check that out before buying, I wanted to check any impending death warnings (before giggling at them)
I also exceed prescribed speed limits from time to time, eat cheese right before bedtime and go out with wet hair :p 
I see instruction manuals as information for sheeple, I'm a guerilla engineer baby,
the instruction book (and any applicable laws of physics) go out the damn window hehe
Moto
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 3:18:41 PM

Ok, in the interests of science/posterity heres a rundown of the schedule such as it is,
(Which I drew up as I typed it :p )

once I have the chiller and Usb sensor I'm going to take ambient temp and see what the chiller temp gets to when empty, 25%, 50% and 75% full, this will give me an idea of its capabilities,
then I'll hook it up to the Radbox and check the flow is strong enough, if not, I'll need another res/pump ordering
once I'm happy there I will hook it up to the Pc on its own and repeat the 25/50/75% tests at a load to see how it copes with the heat on its own, both as a passive mass and powered up
then add the radbox in, tests with all fans off
repeat fans on low
repeat fans on max
The casefans are included in the fans on/off measurement except the fan mounted over the cpu waterblock, that will remain on at all times unless I deem it necessary to remove it, but I reckon that casefans will help push any ambient moisture out of the case so would like to keep them as a separate variable, casefans and rad fans are separate so will be treated as such
Obviously when at any point I hit problems they will be assessed and addressed but thats development for you, don't stop just because theres a wall :) 
If I do end up blowing things up, I'll remember Edisons words,
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work"
Another quote I've just found and like is,
"The brick walls are there for a reason. The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough. They’re there to stop the other people.”
Very good words I think that reflect the spirit of a lot of us here,
I also got my stepped drillbits today so ready to drill up to 25mm holes in things
Moto
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 9:40:48 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
I did check that out before buying, I wanted to check any impending death warnings (before giggling at them)
I also exceed prescribed speed limits from time to time, eat cheese right before bedtime and go out with wet hair :p 
I see instruction manuals as information for sheeple, I'm a guerilla engineer baby,
the instruction book (and any applicable laws of physics) go out the damn window hehe
Moto


I do admire your tenacity Moto but in this situation I believe you're going to be seriously disappointed.

With this being classed as a dry cooler, and not a wet cooler there will be provisions for air circulation you cannot see from the outside.

The PDF Manual mentions many negatives besides not putting liquids or ice directly into the inside compartment.

Like pre-chilling items before placing them in the cooler.

Wiping all condensation from them etc.

Meaning if you're thinking of directly putting water into this thing no matter how much Gorilla Engineering you do, you're in for a big surprise, but good luck and please supply some pictures of what the inside of this cooler looks like?

Oh and it's not meant for continuous operation, and the aluminum fin heat sink will Ice up on you.

In most cases I will read the manual after the fact, but for this case, well, we'll see!
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 9:53:42 PM

Yeah, you're supposed to switch it off after six days for about two hours :-)
Even on a gaming weekend it wouldn't/shouldn't be on more than 16 hours,
I'm aware of possible problems and am prepared to work around/through/over them, hence the detailed approach instead of just plumbing it in and firing up,
Small steps make for better data I reckon
First off is see how the box handles/doesn't handle cooling the water, like Yoda said, "Do or not do, there is no try"
Moto
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 9:55:32 PM

But you have just given me another idea using a 'dry' chiller, top man :-)
Moto
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 10:20:51 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
First off is see how the box handles/doesn't handle cooling the water, like Yoda said, "Do or not do, there is no try"
Moto


What part of do not put water or ice inside do you not understand?

Motopsychojdn said:
But you have just given me another idea using a 'dry' chiller, top man :-)
Moto


You'll probably end up dropping a radiator inside using the chilled air to cycle through the radiator fins, but then the heat from the radiator will to a certain extent counter the cooling effect of the chiller.

I would imagine since it's classed as a dry chiller, there are return vents somewhere toward the bottom of the cooler, thus the reason not to put water or ice inside.

But seeing as how there are not detailed drawing specs to look over you'll discover that when it's in your hands.

Ryan

PS; I'm not trying to offend you Moto, just trying to give you fair warning because it seems you're totally ignoring the obvious, as one that is also into Gorilla Engineering, I do respect that, but I've learned a lot at this point of what peltier cooling can and can not do.

And a lot I learned was learned the hard way as you're soon to discover yourself. Ry
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 10:37:38 PM

No offence taken man :-) this is the point of this thread, to get some facts, opinions and caveats, like you said, we'll know more when the box gets here,
You yourself learned that the idea of chilling the water mass is more practical and easier to manage than having the tec on the feedline,
We have to do stuff like this for several reasons
To educate others, either by showing how to achieve a target, or by ruling the method out
To break 'knowns' like a few years ago it was known that man could not fly
And Ii can't explain the main reason properly, other than
Because I have to :-)
Some things need done and its finding a way that drives me, there are lessons ahead yes but I'm confident that any potential for damage can be minimised if not eliminated by due process and exploration of the concept, which includes debate with others like you, I may miss an obvious thing that you or someone else points out
Don't apologise for challenging me mate, I really do appreciate it and thank you for it
Moto
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 10:38:48 PM

And the alternative dry box idea is not a rad in there, its way worse lol
But at least its not oil hehe
Moto
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 10:44:10 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
No offence taken man :-) this is the point of this thread, to get some facts, opinions and caveats, like you said, we'll know more when the box gets here,
You yourself learned that the idea of chilling the water mass is more practical and easier to manage than having the tec on the feedline,
We have to do stuff like this for several reasons
To educate others, either by showing how to achieve a target, or by ruling the method out
To break 'knowns' like a few years ago it was known that man could not fly
And Ii can't explain the main reason properly, other than
Because I have to :-)
Some things need done and its finding a way that drives me, there are lessons ahead yes but I'm confident that any potential for damage can be minimised if not eliminated by due process and exploration of the concept, which includes debate with others like you, I may miss an obvious thing that you or someone else points out
Don't apologise for challenging me mate, I really do appreciate it and thank you for it
Moto


Motopsychojdn said:
And the alternative dry box idea is not a rad in there, its way worse lol
But at least its not oil hehe
Moto


Cool Mate!

I do hope it works out for you I'm just expressing caution, if nothing more you'll have a peltier cooler in hand a lot cheaper than the expense I've gone to. :) 
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 3, 2012 11:25:03 PM

I'll Pm you the plan for the alternative tomorrow when I get home and can sketch some drawings up,
I think you may like it, although I'm not sure if its worthwhile, it would at least look good :-)
Moto
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 8, 2012 7:35:12 PM

Chiller arrived today, I'll post some more info once I get a chance to unbox/play with it,
which will likely be tomorrow (Tuesday)
which reminds me, should really order some more distilled hehe
Moto
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 9, 2012 10:37:53 AM

Moto, If you don't mind how about some pictures of what this thing looks like in detail, the online information was pretty lame, I'd like to see inside the cooler and detailed shots of any venting?

Ry
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 9, 2012 3:44:50 PM

Ordered 20L of distilled and way ahead of you Ry, took a few pics this morning,

Du boite froid,

Inside is basically a bucket as I needed


Inside the lid, and a closeup of the label,


48w=4A so not the most powerful pelt in there but results will tell, remember its not cooling the Cpu or Gpu's heat, its only chilling the water,
Inside the lid coldside,

and hotside


Both sides use centrifugal fans,**checked it out in the other half's car, bit noisy but I'm sure I can mod proper fans onto it if the Gf says its too loud/annoying :p ** and the RL documentation is the internet pdf on paper in several languages, as well as in french :p 
I've no free time this week unfortunately to start playing, other halfs not too well and I have a charity survival run on saturday and an exhaust to refurb and fit on my bike, but the box and fittings are here and I'm only waiting on the distilled and usb sensor, although I can borrow one of the other sensors to get going for now until it arrives,
I am wondering about the flowrate though, that extra pump may be a necessity but time will tell I guess
Moto


a c 225 K Overclocking
October 10, 2012 9:59:08 AM

Moto, That's extremely interesting!

The peltier is sandwiched between 2 passive heat sinks with air flow over the hot side vented out the top and cold side into the cooler.

Well at least there's no visible reason why you cannot put water inside the cooler.

Looking forward to your discoveries! Ry
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 10, 2012 5:24:02 PM

Yup, that also removes any worries about warmed moist air getting back into the room so no Legionnaires disease for us :p 
should get the holes drilled tomorrow I reckon and trialling with the radbox and with 5L max of distilled in the chiller(Need a better name for it, chiller sounds crap lol), for now I'll power it off a spare Psu and see what the results show
Moto
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 11, 2012 12:42:56 PM

You could call it your FRIDGEAMOTO :lol: 
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 11, 2012 4:05:48 PM

:p 
Ok, its painted black and plumbed in, initial tests showing no real improvement over the old set up, but I'm certain I need a pump in there as flowrate is awful hehe,
I ran IBT a couple of times on standard for a max temp of 45'c, I've chucked more water in and am off to kill pandas in Azeroth for a few hours, see how that holds out,
Moto
a b K Overclocking
October 11, 2012 4:29:07 PM

I will be watching this thread and the real one closely for the results but I do not think that this will work as well as you hope but you never know here is what I see as potential problems 1) the rads will possibly heat the water up 2) the unit auto shuts off before achieving any noticeable results in temps 3) the cold plate inside the unit freezes and causes an insulation effect meaning that the cooling power of the unit is lowered drastically from being frozen over

Ok but with that said I really do hope that either you can figure out a way around the problems or they never arise in the first place so we will see and fix what needs to be fixed.
a b K Overclocking
October 11, 2012 8:21:16 PM

just a thought but if you had an extra rad laying around maybe you could try putting that in the cooler box and make a small loop with only a pump rad and a block that way you could attach a temp sensor to the block to see what kind of temps you will be getting before adding a heat source.

I am working on using the little rads again with TEC’s 4 of them attached to the top and bottom of a 6 stack with water blocks on top of the TEC’s to cool the hot side of the TEC this is all insolated together . The inner loop will cool the processor at first to see how it works, by way of cold water to the processor block. The outer loop for cooling the TEC’s will have rads to cool the water. This is an interesting concept, to be honest I do not know with way works better, using the TEC’s directly to the component or cooling the water to the block, but it seems like fun to try and find out.
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 11, 2012 8:27:04 PM

Cooling the water is the more efficent approach which is why I decided on this route,
Ryan also went this way after finding the balancing act of tecs on blocks was a bit much
to answer your first post though,
Rads aren't heating the water up, not as far as I've seen anyway, only been a few hours
the unit can't auto shut down, its on or off,
and the tec in the unit shouldn't freeze up until around six days of constant use, which it will never get :) 
still checking, seeing how things are, definitely want another pump though
Moto
a c 78 K Overclocking
October 11, 2012 10:21:43 PM

hmmm, another head turner from the MODO! :)  subbed and awaiting for more updates. Looks like we'll have more sub-ambient temp inspirations after all.
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 6:29:58 AM

Ok, First up some pics of the painting/drilling, and I'm upping the game on my logs, some pics will have a soundtrack link :) 
click the link then look at the pic for best effect,

Soundtrack


:non:  That won't do for me :pfff: 

Drilled the holes, because I used a stepped bit, the inner holes aren't big enough and the powerdrill won't fit inside the box to even them out,


Ratchet drive will though :) 


Snug as a bug in a rug,


A bit of sanding and spraying later,


Top section rebuilt, note I've moved the wires to come out the end instead of out of that handgrip hole, much neater :) 


And finally,

Soundtrack


Pretty quick and simple for this part of the project, the longhaul is ahead :) 
Moto
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 6:55:51 AM

Right, some numbers from yesterday,
After a couple of hours (about six) on WoW last night top temp was 39'C, gfx cards slightly higher at 41'c
but the real results were on Intel burn test earlier in the day,
I now know I need a pump in the chiller module and theres some bleeding to be done, I can hear trickles in the radbox :p 
Idling in a 21'c room gave me a 21.56'c water temp regardless of fans being on/off/max/low with about two litres in the chiller
I gave time for changes to affect the temp but nothing significant happened from fans being mostly off, to case and topfans being on low, all the way to full on all fans,
But IBT results were rather nice, I'm seeing drops on load temps here,

iirc I would spike 50's on it before adding the chiller,
this was 44'c most of the run with an occasional 45'c jump, so I'm encouraged enough to continue the research, repeating the tests with more water volume showed no gains or deficits so I'm sitting on around 7L in there for now
So, no proper S.a results as yet, for now its bleed when I get a chance to, observe the loops behaviour and figure out how/where that pumps going once I've bought it :p 
but the peltier isn't as effective as I'd have liked it to have been straight out the box, but who's afraid of a little tweaking to get the results?
Moto
October 12, 2012 8:20:30 AM

After reading Ryans thread about below ambient cooling (with a kinda sad end..) it's nice to see this one *thumbs up*

What is your loop now like? Rad -> TEC/Reservoir -> CPU -> GPU?

About your spikes going down: Are you sure that comes from the TEC cooling the water or is it just due to the bigger reservoir evening the results out (even without TEC it would take some time to heat that water up)? Did you try with the TEC completely off?

What I really dont see here is the heat going from the Water to the Air (after all you cool with water because transferring heat to air takes a lot of surface, right? And the water surface in the box is small compared to even a small radiator), in my opinion you need to somehow submerge the cool TEC side into the reservoir (ofc not directly, but with longer fins reaching into the water or by routing the water directly on the tec or something like that).

Oh and one more question: During the 6 hours, did you watch the water temperature in the box? Was it stable or rising?

Nevertheless cool project and I cant wait for new results :) 
a c 78 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 10:25:15 AM

Quote:
What I really dont see here is the heat going from the Water to the Air (after all you cool with water because transferring heat to air takes a lot of surface, right? And the water surface in the box is small compared to even a small radiator), in my opinion you need to somehow submerge the cool TEC side into the reservoir (ofc not directly, but with longer fins reaching into the water or by routing the water directly on the tec or something like that).
surface area may be less, however, volume is much higher compared to a rad. This is what you mentioned about the temp evening itself out. As the heat is saturated in the water. Then removing the heat from the water is the reverse process - which would equate to more air movement - after all water dissipates its heat through radiation to its surroundings, convection around the container holding liquid/water and conduction to the air around container.

^ sorry for the thermal 101 class.

btw, nice progress so far!
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 10:53:40 AM

DeTeWe said:
After reading Ryans thread about below ambient cooling (with a kinda sad end..) it's nice to see this one *thumbs up*


You probably need to read the end again, there is no sad ending. Ryan
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 11:07:48 AM

Thanks Lutfij, nice to see you back again as well mate :) 

Ok, in some semblence of order,
the core temps were stable throughout Ibt apart from the mentioned spikes so I know that is the solid temp as it quickly returns to 'normal'

Loop order at the moment,
Respump in case>Gpu1>Gpu2>Chiller>Radbox360>Radbox 360>Radbox pump>Cpu>Rx240 on roof>T-Virus1>TVirus2>Return to respump in case
The rads are doing the work of removing heat, the purpose of the chiller is just to provide cooler water for the loop, it is not intended to actively remove the generated heat in any way, thats the job of the rads/fans
I wouldn't have the Tec plate in the water as its aluminium, I may do something like that if I can find a suitable Cu plate
and no, I can't directly monitor the Chiler temps atm, I'm still waiting on the temp sensor for it to arrive, I'm currently going off an ambient sensor and the sensor in one of the T-Virus reservoirs,
maybe the dedicated sensor will show something up, but normally a loop isn't more than 1-2'c difference anywhere in the loop
Thanks for the interest and I hope we can get some better results soon :) 
Ryans thread btw, not a sad ending, just a confirmation of one method not working,(well not without a lot of balancing), its by trying things that we rule out less effective ways of accomplishing a goal, so its never the end, only a lesson and a new beginning :) 
**Ryan posted as I was writing this :p **
@Lutfij, glad you're liking it mate :) 
Moto
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 11:14:36 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
Right, some numbers from yesterday,
After a couple of hours (about six) on WoW last night top temp was 39'C, gfx cards slightly higher at 41'c
but the real results were on Intel burn test earlier in the day,
I now know I need a pump in the chiller module and theres some bleeding to be done, I can hear trickles in the radbox :p 
Idling in a 21'c room gave me a 21.56'c water temp regardless of fans being on/off/max/low with about two litres in the chiller
I gave time for changes to affect the temp but nothing significant happened from fans being mostly off, to case and topfans being on low, all the way to full on all fans,
But IBT results were rather nice, I'm seeing drops on load temps here,
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q172/Motopsychojdn/Tomsdiagrams/boxandtopandcasefansmax.jpg
iirc I would spike 50's on it before adding the chiller,
this was 44'c most of the run with an occasional 45'c jump, so I'm encouraged enough to continue the research, repeating the tests with more water volume showed no gains or deficits so I'm sitting on around 7L in there for now
So, no proper S.a results as yet, for now its bleed when I get a chance to, observe the loops behaviour and figure out how/where that pumps going once I've bought it :p 
but the peltier isn't as effective as I'd have liked it to have been straight out the box, but who's afraid of a little tweaking to get the results?
Moto


Exactly how are you setup water wise?

Is the water level above the tubes in the picture and the flow circulating in the water volume?

If that's what you are doing the feed should be the higher and the return lower and at the farthest point to get some circulation of the water going.

The water has to circulate to pick up the chilled air, even at that the sheer volume will take a long time to cool with just chilled air blowing down on it?

In a thermal mass the coldest water is at the bottom of the mass, I modded my cooler with the feed tube at the bottom of the cooler and the return coming in at the top, with the thermal mass that eliminates any air getting into the system.

My water temperature in my cooler right now is 12.8c, CPU idle temp is 16c at a 4500mhz overclock.

Not trying to rub salt in the wound just trying to figure how you can get the best from this setup?

Ryan
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 11:19:26 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
Thanks Lutfij, nice to see you back again as well mate :) 

Ok, in some semblence of order,
the core temps were stable throughout Ibt apart from the mentioned spikes so I know that is the solid temp as it quickly returns to 'normal'

Loop order at the moment,
Respump in case>Gpu1>Gpu2>Chiller>Radbox360>Radbox 360>Radbox pump>Cpu>Rx240 on roof>T-Virus1>TVirus2>Return to respump in case
The rads are doing the work of removing heat, the purpose of the chiller is just to provide cooler water for the loop, it is not intended to actively remove the generated heat in any way, thats the job of the rads/fans
I wouldn't have the Tec plate in the water as its aluminium, I may do something like that if I can find a suitable Cu plate
and no, I can't directly monitor the Chiler temps atm, I'm still waiting on the temp sensor for it to arrive, I'm currently going off an ambient sensor and the sensor in one of the T-Virus reservoirs,
maybe the dedicated sensor will show something up, but normally a loop isn't more than 1-2'c difference anywhere in the loop
Thanks for the interest and I hope we can get some better results soon :) 
Ryans thread btw, not a sad ending, just a confirmation of one method not working,(well not without a lot of balancing), its by trying things that we rule out less effective ways of accomplishing a goal, so its never the end, only a lesson and a new beginning :) 
**Ryan posted as I was writing this :p **
@Lutfij, glad you're liking it mate :) 
Moto


:lol:  Cross posting

Moto, the radiators are going to heat your chilled water, if there is anything on the plus side of things for you it may be 1c.
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 11:21:21 AM

The tubes are both level as shown in the top pics, end of tubing is under the water level at the bottom of the box, but with you saying this I may move the feedline higher to agitate the mass more,
and see how/if that affects things,
No salt mate, I kinda knew I would need the extra pump but couldn't budget for that this month and its still early days yet,
I may even hang the Cable management and rebuild from a different point of view :) 
but yes, once this weekends out of the way I can move to testing with just the chiller on its own, ten minute job to remove the radbox from the loop
Moto

a c 78 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 11:23:28 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
.... just a confirmation of one method not working,(well not without a lot of balancing), its by trying things that we rule out less effective ways of accomplishing a goal, so its never the end, only a lesson and a new beginning :) 
**Ryan posted as I was writing this :p **
@Lutfij, glad you're liking it mate :) 
Moto


You just defended my H50 modding effort :p  hehehe! Honestly, Modo just made the entire picture clear to all(and everyone trying out wacky cooling ideas) following this thread that not every solution, though ground breaking, won't work in a real world environment. So the only way most people find out is by trial and error. Kudos to all them tinkerers. You know who I'm talking about - on this here forums!

About Ryan - that's what you can expect from a retired mod... game for fastest finger first, anyone ? :D 

@ Modo - Inspiration+ideas will always come from the most unusual places - so I'd prefer hanging-out with/observing them closely. Glad to be back to see all this!
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 11:47:18 AM

**You just defended my H50 modding effort **
I guess I did at that,
:) 
Moto
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 11:50:25 AM

Lutfij said:
About Ryan - that's what you can expect from a retired mod... game for fastest finger first, anyone ? :D 



Ouch! :o 
October 12, 2012 12:53:40 PM

4Ryan6 said:
You probably need to read the end again, there is no sad ending. Ryan


No offense, but to me it was sad because it was closed (and therefor no more tinkering in this direction from you, at least at the moment). I read that thread like a book, and it's most of the time sad when a good book ends.

Moto: If I understand you correctly, the water goes through the chiller and then to the Rads? As Ryan said I think it would work better with the GPUs feeding the water into the rads (where a higher delta T is, which is needed for the rads to work) and the rads going into the chiller box (where the delta T is lower, which isnt needed for the chiller box as it could cool below ambient).
a c 78 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 1:04:46 PM

@ Ryan - hey no offence intended mate :)  just that you seem to have some passive skills as an x-mod :D  which is good!!! i.e: being first at the scene of the crime :D 
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 1:49:30 PM

DeTeWe said:
No offense, but to me it was sad because it was closed (and therefor no more tinkering in this direction from you, at least at the moment). I read that thread like a book, and it's most of the time sad when a good book ends.


It was only temporarily closed because I had run into a progress wall that I had to find a way around.

Which meant multiple testing in various directions and I knew full well some of those directions would fail, but I had to try them to eliminate them as possibilities however I was not going to detail those in the thread.

Once I had discovered valuable information to share with everyone, I had it reopened to post those discoveries.

The failures were my learning curve to know what best approach to take from where I am now with the cooling progress using the TEC solution, what I'm presently running is the best of both worlds.

A selectable CPU cooling loop, either radiator loop cooled or TEC assembly loop cooled, completely independent of each other, the results are in the thread along with the latest pictures.

Ryan
a c 225 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 2:02:40 PM

Lutfij said:
@ Ryan - hey no offence intended mate :)  just that you seem to have some passive skills as an x-mod :D  which is good!!! i.e: being first at the scene of the crime :D 


I wasn't offended!

I thought you had discovered my online gaming downfalls in another thread.

I'm on a satellite internet connection, it's the fastest available internet solution where I live, out in the country.

Satellite connections suck for online gaming as the ping rate is way too high, around a 1,000 best I ever got was around 940, which makes me look like a rusted robot moving in online games, I got tired of being cussed out for holding up the game so no more online gaming. :cry: 

Online gaming is the one thing I truly miss by moving away from the city and a direct cable connection, but living out in the country is way more pleasing than even considering moving back into the city for a cable connection! :pfff: 

As far as being a retired mod, it's to all of you guys benefit, I do know the rules very well and will warn any of you when the line is close to being crossed, to keep you all out of trouble!

Ry
a c 78 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 2:16:58 PM

wow, I didn't mean to even get you ruffled :(  sorry to hear about your connection matey.

...NOOOOTTTT, you're not missing a thing bro, I like moving out of the city, getting off the network and spend time with folks+family. Catch some me time with fishing as well. None of that can come with a cable connection! Period! SO IMHO - your doing fine.

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I thought you had discovered my online gaming downfalls in another thread.
No way that's happening as I don't have time for multiplayers. Add me to your non-multiplayer club :) 

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As far as being a retired mod, it's to all of you guys benefit, I do know the rules very well and will warn any of you when the line is close to being crossed, to keep you all out of trouble!
you're like the mafioso bro down the block - keeping us out of trouble :D  which is good.

Okay now I off topic'd this thread alot. apologies Modo!
a c 190 K Overclocking
October 12, 2012 3:20:54 PM

None needed mate, in my threads there is no off-topic :p 

@Detewe, yup, chiller goes to rads at the moment purely because thats how my Quick disconnects are set up, as I said to Ryan though, a full strip and rebuild may be in order at some point hehe, check my logs for just how user unfriendly my rig is,
but it is more adaptable than most loops to be honest, only approached in performance by Ryans, ArthurH's and possibly Rubix's loops
Heres my links,
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/272443-11-asus-6950...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/forum2.php?config=t...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/274180-11-psycho-ri...
As you'll see my main focus seems to be Ocd cable management, I must have about 30 feet of tubing on the build and inside the case only six inches is on sight, and thats hidden behind a fan modded on top of the waterblock,
all this madness looks like its going to have give way though so I may gain subambient running temps, but I'll have to put up with seeing some tubing :) 
Moto
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