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January 24, 2010 8:43:33 PM

Which version or brand is needed for 305w psu? Is there only 1 version? Boxes stating only 400w or greater psu box version? Can't seem to find a300w greater version on newegg.

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a b U Graphics card
January 24, 2010 8:58:13 PM

Could you please list the full specifications of the computer you are trying to upgrade (and the previous GPU if there was one). The requirement on the box is often a little exaggerated to accommodate cheap PSUs that don't put out their rated power. The 4650 is a very low power GPU and has a good chance of running in your system. All of the 4650s use about the same power (so the box reqs should all be about the same).
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January 24, 2010 10:05:08 PM

Duo core 1.86, 4 gb ram, 305w psu, only USB being powered is seagste dock and iPod. previous gpu was an 7300le. And pci-e
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a b U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 12:09:20 AM

What Brand is the PSU (or Computer if this was a Prebuilt PC)?

Looking at my magical GPU power chart, it looks like a 7300LE uses on average 10-20W(max) while a 4650 uses 30-40W(max). So, the 4650 will use a bit more power, but not much more, and the rest of the system is fairly low power. So, assuming that is at least a mediocre 300W PSU and it is in good working order (not too old) I think that should work fine.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 2:18:07 PM

There is no difference, all HD4650 use the same power. Any HD4650 should be fine for that PSU but I would recommend an HD4670 instead as it's a much better card for not much more money.
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January 25, 2010 2:22:38 PM

Yeah, for jyjjy, Doesn't the 4670 use much more power?

And if they all use the same power, but the box indicates 400w (this won't blow my system right?), should I get ATI, Diamond, of XFX? Which has less of a footprint? Or less heat also.
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a b U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 2:27:24 PM

Well,
All performs the same.
So get the cheapest one .
It will be good for you
and give you good performance upto 1680x1050



GooD LucK
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 2:31:04 PM

It does use more power but they both use a rather small amount. The power requirements listed by the manufacturer are ALWAYS highly inflated and never have much to do with reality. Dell PSUs are high quality and either the HD4650 or HD4670 should be fine.
As I said earlier brand does not matter. All of the cards use the same amount of power. The main difference between brands will be the fan/heatsink, warranty and price. Also you would need a much more power hungry card before you should start worrying about the heat given off.
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January 25, 2010 2:41:37 PM

So does the 4670 use the same amount of power as the 4650? Or will I be better off using the 4650 if the 4650 has a low power consumption than the 4670?
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a b U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 2:45:44 PM

4650 draws vry slightly low power than 4670
So, In a scense 4670 is a better choice

I would suggest you to go for 4670
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January 25, 2010 2:50:24 PM

Is there a way to see how much your system is using? Like a program that can be ran? Or do I have to add up all the watts that the computer is using by hand?

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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 2:54:42 PM

No. There are vague estimators based on configuration but Dell rates their PSUs differently from other manufacturers so they wouldn't be accurate.
We've said your PSU is fine for those cards. Just buy one.
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January 25, 2010 3:09:17 PM

OK, thanks for all your help. Much appreciated
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a b U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 4:12:14 PM

From my chart, it looks like the 4670 draws at max about 20W more than a 4650, and while that is a large percentage increase, that Dell PSU (at least decent to good quality) should do fine.
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January 25, 2010 6:37:32 PM

Oh, another question. Would I have to worry about CPU bottleneck with this card in this machine? If I don't push the card to the max on settings, would I have to worry about bottleneck on either the 4650 or 4670?

Thanks again

dell dimension e520
intel core 2 duo 6300 @1.86ghz
4gb DDR2 ram
XP SP3
integrated sound
PSU @ 305W

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a b U Graphics card
January 25, 2010 7:38:46 PM

No, I think a 4670 (or 4650) would be a great match for a C2D 6300. Neither is extremely better than the other or would be held back by the other in most situations.
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January 25, 2010 7:55:52 PM

I also have a Dell Dimension E520 and I have been running a HD 3850 on it since 2007 with the same 305W powersupply. It is still running perfectly fine.

Go with the HD 4670. It uses less power and performs slightly better than my HD 3850.
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January 26, 2010 2:32:55 PM

Hello,
Still deciding which brand is better to get. I read reviews on newegg. I know that cards are the same, but the fans are different. Which ones have better fans? Sapphire, HIS, Powercolor, or ATI's version. Any one company better than the other?

Thanks
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2010 2:36:29 PM

I have installed several Sapphire DDR3 4670s in friends computers and while the fan wasn't silent, it wasn't super loud either.
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January 26, 2010 2:50:40 PM

After Looking at newegg, I am between the sapphire brand, and HIS brand. LOL
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2010 6:50:46 PM

Both are major brands and thus about equal (assuming reference coolers).
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January 26, 2010 8:42:45 PM

mfarrukh said:
Well,
All performs the same.
So get the cheapest one .
It will be good for you
and give you good performance upto 1680x1050



GooD LucK
i agree with you for i like HD4670 and 4650 . They consume/eat up less power.
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January 26, 2010 8:47:14 PM

dynastyice said:
Which version or brand is needed for 305w psu? Is there only 1 version? Boxes stating only 400w or greater psu box version? Can't seem to find a300w greater version on newegg.

hello
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January 26, 2010 8:56:05 PM

dynastyice said:
Hello,
Still deciding which brand is better to get. I read reviews on newegg. I know that cards are the same, but the fans are different. Which ones have better fans? Sapphire, HIS, Powercolor, or ATI's version. Any one company better than the other?

Thanks


Sapphire is better, I think. Good luck!
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January 26, 2010 9:29:06 PM

Yeah, I know I can't go wrong. But just keep reading reviews ...lol I have heard that MSI has a a 8C lower heat than the Sapphire version. Is 8C that big of a difference in temperature?

And what is the difference between the 1GB and 512MB version of this card? Is it the same?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 27, 2010 1:07:27 AM

The difference between 512mb and 1gb is meaningless on cards of this caliber. Just get the cheapest one. These cards are very low power/heat so the cooler doesn't really matter too much.
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January 27, 2010 2:06:35 AM

jyjjy said:
The difference between 512mb and 1gb is meaningless on cards of this caliber. Just get the cheapest one. These cards are very low power/heat so the cooler doesn't really matter too much.

:na:  :p  YOu are great! I strongly agree with you. So you must be a veteran in hardware. want to learn from you. LOL
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2010 3:15:33 AM

Yep, those cards, while quite decent in performance, definitely do not need more than 512MB of Ram. It is mainly a marketing gimmick.

As for cooling, not much is needed (especially if you get the 4650). My 4650 runs very cool despite only having a tiny aluminum HSF. So, the main thing I would look for in deciding (if there are two different designs) is which would be quieter and perhaps easier to clean. Could you post links to the ones you are considering?
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January 27, 2010 5:38:23 AM

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January 30, 2010 12:51:08 AM

Thanks everyone for the help. I got the 4670 and the graphics look great. I was just wondering if anyone has use the ATI catalyst. I currently have 2 monitors hooked up. 1 I primary use and the other is a monitor that I switch to when I watch movies. I know how to switch from one monitor to the other, but I can't seem to save the monitor resolution.

When I use the nVidia, taskbar program, the resolutions are saved when I switch back and forth from monitors.

Currently 1st monitor is set at 1024 x 768. When I switch to the 2nd monitor, I want it to be set at 1920 x 1200, but it stays the same as 1024 x 768.

Its just a minor thing. nVidia software does it. But wondering if there is a way to work around this for the ATI software?

Thanks
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a b U Graphics card
January 30, 2010 3:36:36 AM

Not sure, I guess I always switch between like monitors. In any of the Catalyst sections, is there one for "Autodetect Monitor/TV"? I thought there was and it is defaulted to manual. Could give that a try, though it may be referring to something else. Newest Driver, CCC, and Hydravision, correct?
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January 31, 2010 1:24:54 AM

I found out how. I just have to create profiles for each monitor. Once I select each profile. It will have the settings for each individual monitor.

Thanks
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January 31, 2010 1:29:25 AM

Best answer selected by dynastyice.
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