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February 2, 2010 4:10:35 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Next week or within this month

BUDGET RANGE: $600 Before Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:Gaming, music, internet surfing, and homework

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, and OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg.com, but anywhere cheap and trustworthy is also acceptable

PARTS PREFERENCES: I would like to use an Intel CPU and maybe a Gigabyte motherboard

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I want this computer to last for at least 4 years.

Im considering theses parts. Please tell me if there are any better parts that would still leave me in the price range of $600 shipped.

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Processor: Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(I am going to overclock to 3.0GHz with stock cooler and then to 3.6 or 3.8 and possibly to 4.0 with a new cooler)

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Graphics Card: XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(Is this graphics card future proof? Will i be able to run BC2 and L4D2 maxed out on 1920 x 1080?)

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Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(This one is cheap and it has overclocking options that I am familiar with.)

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PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(It has 2 rails and it is efficient, so im pretty confident that i would be able to overclock and run safely with this.)

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Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD2500AAKS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(It has 16MB cache which is sufficient and 250GB is more than enough for a few games.)

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RAM: OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P8004GK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(It has a $15 rebate and heatspreaders.)

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Case:LOGISYS Computer Area 51 CS51WBK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 480W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(I like the looks and im planning to toss the included PSU. I think the ventilation is sufficient for a simple dual core and 5770.)

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Case Fan: APEVIA CF12SL-UBL 120mm Blue LED Case Fan - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(The case doesnt come with a fan so ill need it.)

Subtotal: $ 526.41
Total with Tax and shipping to CA: $605.87

Please rate and review my build (1-10).
I will be keeping this for about 4 years.
Im going to play L4D2 and BC2 and im hoping it will max it out on 1920 x 1080.
Im going to overclock the CPU to 3.0 and later on 3.6-4.0 so hopefully it wont bottleneck.
Are there any things I should be aware of?
Oh yea, it is STRICTLY $600.

Thank You

February 2, 2010 4:47:02 AM

Go ahead, everything looks good from what i can see, but you could probably find a cheaper case without a PSU for a bit cheaper
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February 2, 2010 5:10:25 AM

xjhx said:

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I want this computer to last for at least 4 years.

your buying a dead socket... not much of a future proof decision.
the cpu is crap considering today's cpus. it won't last you a year.
there are two options on hand:
1. raise the budget and get this e8400+gb p43 mb and oc it http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... (the mb even has usb3) or the same cpu with this mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (I own both that cpu and mb, excellent hardware)
2. switch to a amd system.

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February 2, 2010 5:15:45 AM

If there's any way you could be persuaded to re-think using an Intel/Socket 775
CPU, I would strongly recommend it. It's pretty much a cliche now, but that platform--for all intents and purposes--is dead. By that, I mean that Intel is no longer making upgrades to that platform, and as time goes on, components for a 775 system will be way overpriced (they already are now) assuming you can find them. If you already had a 775 mobo and ram, it might--might--make sense to upgrade the cpu and add a couple sticks of ram. But since you are making a new purchase, I would strongly urge you to consider an AMD platform for your budget range. Here is a build which comes in at $600.09 including shipping and includes a $10.00 rebate:

CPU: Athlon IIx3 425 Triple core--$71.99 + free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: Asus M4A785TD Evo AM3+4GB ADATA DDR3 1333 RAM = $169.98 + free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Apex Vortex Mid Tower case + Seventeam 80 Plus certified 750 watt PSU = $104.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HIS Radeon 5770 1GB = $162.99+$10.00 off code = $152.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung Spinpoint F3 500 GB hard drive=$54.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sony Optiarc CD/DVD drive=$24.99 free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 750 watt PSU is extreme overkill for this setup, but it should serve you well
for future builds. Seventeam is a quality PSU company, just maybe a notch down from Antec, Corsair, and Seasonic (among others).

The case is solid, and has a great deal of favorable reviews.
It should provide adequate cooling for your system. If you just do a mild
overclock, you may be able to get by on the stock AMD cooler, but I wouldn't
recommend it. If you do wish to overclock, I'd recommend a good low-profile heatsink, as that case may have trouble accomodating the ones with extremely tall heatsinks.

The RAM should be good. It has good timings and ADATA is normally a good brand.
You may want to double check, but I think it will work with that ASUS mobo.

Again, for the $600 dollar range, I think you will be much better served with an AMD build, but if you are dead set on an Intel/775 build, maybe some other members can offer advice on that. In any case, good luck with your new build.

EDIT: I see I am already late in recommending against the 775 route :) 

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February 2, 2010 5:23:12 AM

My bad didnt relise was s775, either go for a i3/h55 build if your budget allows, or go with a athlon II build with AMD
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February 2, 2010 6:14:21 AM

Having an E5200 at 3.6ghz, I can soundly say it won't get you 4 years. If you don't plan to upgrade along the way, a 775 board is fine, but you have to do it right the first time, and on a $600 budget, its not going to happen. The build CPP is a great option. A few things I'd tweak on though to get a quad core:

Instead of the Case/PSU combo he has, get a case from zipzoomfly.com Free shipping on most all their stuff. This case for example is about $40 delivered after rebate:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

The original PSU you have listed is a good choice. OCZ makes good enough PSUs and since you're considering efficiency, a 750w PSU will be running less than 50% load with your setup and most PSUs hit peak efficiency around 50% load. But this 600w is still overkill, but is combo'd with your GPU for $25 off, so in the end, less.

I'd also get this ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and this Biostar AM3 770 mobo with the Athlon II x4 620:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

I think after tax and delivery after rebates, looking about $603.

Biostar is an okay mobo maker and will do well enough, a necessary sacrifice to stay in budget and get a longer lasting CPU.
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February 2, 2010 4:18:07 PM

Here's another alternative. It's a little higher, but I think buys the longevity you want. Combo deals could probably improve it.

Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail
Model #:TP-650
Item #:N82E16817371021
$129.95 -$20.00 Instant $109.95
Top-rated PSU, suitable for Crossfire later. If you decide you'll never run multiple GPUs, you could cut this down to 500W-550W for any single GPU other than the HD5970.

Antec Two Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:Two Hundred
Item #:N82E16811129070
$54.95 -$5.00 Instant $49.95
With a bottom-mounted PSU and top fan, will offer better cable management and better cooling.

ASRock M3A785GXH/128M AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #:M3A785GXH/128M
Item #:N82E16813157167
$99.99 -$8.00 Instant $91.99
Can do 8x,8x Crossfire and still has a 4x PCIE slot available for RAID, USB 3.0, or whatever.

POWERCOLOR AX5750 512MD5-H Radeon HD 5750 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
Model #:AX5750 512MD5-H
Item #:N82E16814131331
$129.99 $129.99
You can add a second one for Crossfire later, and not have to upgrade the PSU. Or, if your budget will stretch, get a single HD5770 to start.

AMD Athlon II X3 435 Rana 2.9GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor Model ADX435WFGIBOX - Retail
Model #:ADX435WFGIBOX
Item #:N82E16819103724
$74.99 $74.99
As nice a a quad would be, you can always wait and upgrade later. Hex-core AM3 CPUs should be out later too.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBRM - Retail
Model #:F3-10666CL8D-4GBRM
Item #:N82E16820231275
$108.99 $108.99
Meh. RAM is so volatile. This has decent timings, but you can probably find something cheaper from one day to the next that will work just fine. The RAM skora linked is CAS9 (vs. 8 for this) but for $24 less may be the better value.

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:HD502HJ
Item #:N82E16822152181
$54.99 $54.99
Possibly as fast as a Velociraptor in some measures. If not available, a Seagate 7200.12 would be almost as fast.

Subtotal: $620.85
A little over, but I think it buys the upgrade path you want.

Edit: Spelling
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February 2, 2010 5:10:24 PM

Onus said:
Here's another alternative. It's a little higher, but I think buys the longevity you want. Combo deals could probably improve it.

Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail
Model #:TP-650
Item #:N82E16817371021
$129.95 -$20.00 Instant $109.95
Top-rated PSU, suitable for Crossfire later. If you decide you'll never run multiple GPUs, you could cut this down to 500W-550W for any single GPU other than the HD5970.

Antec Two Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:Two Hundred
Item #:N82E16811129070
$54.95 -$5.00 Instant $49.95
With a bottom-mounted PSU and top fan, will offer better cable management and better cooling.

ASRock M3A785GXH/128M AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #:M3A785GXH/128M
Item #:N82E16813157167
$99.99 -$8.00 Instant $91.99
Can do 8x,8x Crossfire and still has a 4x PCIE slot available for RAID, USB 3.0, or whatever.

POWERCOLOR AX5750 512MD5-H Radeon HD 5750 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
Model #:AX5750 512MD5-H
Item #:N82E16814131331
$129.99 $129.99
You can add a second one for Crossfire later, and not have to upgrade the PSU. Or, if your budget will stretch, get a single HD5770 to start.

AMD Athlon II X3 435 Rana 2.9GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor Model ADX435WFGIBOX - Retail
Model #:ADX435WFGIBOX
Item #:N82E16819103724
$74.99 $74.99
As nice a a quad would be, you can always wait and upgrade later. Hex-core AM3 CPUs should be out later too.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBRM - Retail
Model #:F3-10666CL8D-4GBRM
Item #:N82E16820231275
$108.99 $108.99
Meh. RAM is so volatile. This has decent timings, but you can probably find something cheaper from one day to the next that will work just fine. The RAM skora linked is CAS9 (vs. 8 for this) but for $24 less may be the better value.

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:HD502HJ
Item #:N82E16822152181
$54.99 $54.99
Possibly as fast as a Velociraptor in some measures. If not available, a Seagate 7200.12 would be almost as fast.

Subtotal: $620.85
A little over, but I think it buys the upgrade path you want.

Edit: Spelling

like this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
I'll take gb mb anyday over asrock mb
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February 2, 2010 7:19:34 PM

JTT, did you factor in CA tax? You're looking at $50 for that +delivery. The OP said no to CF and if there's any chance to get 4 years out of this build, it will have to quad core. While the sacrifices like CAS 9 or the biostar mobo aren't my first choices, they are working parts that will get the job done and free up just enough to get the 620. I'm with you that lower cas is better, but in the scope of the build, necessary. Also, don't think a 5750 will push the 1920x1080 at the settings he wants. The combo with the OCZ and 5770 is a steal.
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February 2, 2010 7:38:32 PM

No, I did not figure extortion; sorry. I also assumed the four years would include some upgrades along the way, and the Biostar mobo is apparently limited to 95W CPUs. A X3 could be replaced with a X6 later, but probably not on that board. I agree on your HD5770 for that resolution. With no Crossfire ever, $20+ could be saved on the mobo, and another $40+ on the PSU, so he could get one.
As to Gigabyte vs. ASRock, I've had no trouble from 4 ASRock mobos, but had to RMA one of the last 4 Gigabyte boards I bought, and had some grief out of another (but was P35+DDR2-1066 issue). Eh; I'd buy either one though, or Asus.
Short version: Get skora's other parts, but trade the X4 CPU for a X3 today, and use the extra to get a mobo that supports 125W (or 140W) CPUs so you can get a X4 or even X6 when you need it.
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February 2, 2010 10:44:18 PM

That would work nicely.
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February 3, 2010 12:27:08 AM

Can someone reason to me why an AMD build would be better than an e5200 build? I dont think an i5 or i3 system would fit in my budget since i just tried adding the cheapest i3, motherboard, and 4GB 1333 RAM and that made the price 100$ more than my budget can handle.
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February 3, 2010 12:33:10 AM

The intel is in blue on top, the amd x4 on bottom. With the exception of a few synthetics and single threaded apps, all games and 90% of the rest of the benchmarks are won by the quad core. Both are OC'able. If you want 4 years out of this rig, you want more cores even if speed ends up being a little less.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=66&p2=106
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February 3, 2010 12:33:12 AM

Oh, i just tried the Gigabyte and AMD quad core with 4 GB 1600 ram and that makes me 50$ over my budget. I've already stretched my budget way too far and im not planning it stretch it any more. Any other options? Thank you all for your help.
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February 3, 2010 12:42:05 AM

Wait nvm i guess i can stretch it $50 more. So with this quad core, how far do you think i can overclock it with its stock cooler (temporary). I have no AMD experience whatsoever.
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February 3, 2010 12:47:07 AM

Can anyone recommend another motherboard? I can find like 20 more for like $50 rather than the $90 gigabyte.
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February 3, 2010 1:02:14 AM

That build doesnt include shipping, but i think my current build should match it.
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February 3, 2010 1:06:06 AM

I thought about it again and the gigabyte and amd athlon x4 combo is quite a good deal. I am going to order this tmrw morning. Thanks for everyone for their help.
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February 3, 2010 1:07:28 AM

Well I'm just saying, for a $600 PC, go for AMD. It's much cheaper. I would only go to Intel if I had >$1250
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February 3, 2010 6:01:43 AM

Info on OC the 620:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/athlon2_620/3.h...

Lets see if we can't get that closer to your $600 goal:

From zipzoomfly.com (I use these guys more than Newegg)
Pick a case you like, they all have free shipping (saving you $15 off that other case from newegg) Look at mid on the subcategory on the right. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductList3.jsp

This one looks similar and comes with 3 fans: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

If you do get a case that is part of their combo program, you can get the same HDD for $54 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

If you want to stick with NE for one order, again, getting a case with free shipping saves $15 and another $13 if it has all the fans you need. Like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

All NE cases with free shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

The rest newegg has better prices on from their combos.
HIS 5770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$162 - $10 with promo code EMCYZNW74 (ends today) - $10 mir. A 5770 for $142 and free shipping, can't go wrong there.

4gig DDR3 1600 ram from above http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This probably can be down clocked to 1333 and tighten the CAS to 8.

Gigabyte mobo and AMD 620 combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

This is a combo with the optical drive and an OCZ PSU. Its only a 500w modXstream, but thats still more than you need and a few bucks less expensive, and after combo discount and MIR, only $50 for both parts. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Split ZZF and NE:
That Azza case I have linked and the HDD are $115.83 delivered
The remainder from NE is $513.62 delivered
Total is $629.45 with $60 in MIRs coming in at $570

All NEWEGG:
If you order a $40 free shipping case with no need for extra fans, and get everything from NE and use the promo code, total came to $616.43 delivered (used 92101 zip cuz i know it) There's still $45 in MIRs you can claim for a final price of $571.

So take a look at the cases, that seems to be a driving force for some saving, or just spend a little more to get what you want. That was $640 with $45 in MIRs available final price of $595.
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