Some Preliminary Results of AMD Thuban @ 2.8GHz (OC'd too)

http://forum.coolaler.com/showthre [...] 891&page=3

Seems like from the preliminaries, at least, that the AMD Phenom II X6 will perform, as I had predicted, around the same as a Core i7 (4 cores, 8 threads) of the same clock speed.

Do you think the final results will mirror these preliminaries or do you still think that Phenom II X6 will outperform a Core i7 by a considerable margin?

From what I am seeing, Thuban is matching Core i7 clock for clock pretty well and seems to be slightly ahead at times. So Phenom X6 = Core i7, that's a great deal especially if the $200 Phenom X6 is true then it will be the budget king easily.

All that said, it is a useless upgrade for anyone with a Core 2 quad Q9400 or higher or an Athlon II X4, we just don't need this CPU power.

That will depend on what a potential buyer cares about most. Some folks care about energy efficiency (I do but only to a certain extent). These folks might be put off by the relatively higher demand for power of the Phenom II X6 over a Core i7 (this is assuming a power envelope near that of Istanbul).

That is about what I expected. Not too impressive really. Intel will lower prices to match.

You and everyone else. Thus Intel will adjust price accordingly.

Well all of Intel's processors are priced competitively (in my humble opinion). I mean if there is no real competition for certain CPUs... how can you blame Intel

That being said, AMD is on a price war in both the CPU and GPU segments. They really work hard to undercut the competition.

I'm surprised Jenny hasn't commented, is she banned again?

i meant it sincerely, i had never thought of it that way, thats all, because even in my life, i have noticed that my "common sense" does not always mirror perfectly anothers "common sense" because each persons common sense is highly based on their environment and previous experiences, so thx for having a real thought provoking quote instead of some lamo system specs for the rest of us : )

I looked at Istanbul and MC to get an idea. Servers are known for usuing more memory, memory bandwidth and multiple cores more efficiently than a desktop is. If you look at that, a 24 core MC setup barley outperforms a 12 core Xeon setup, a Istanbul barley beats a 4 core Xeon and loses to Westmere.

Now apply simple logic to the desktop world and you will get on par and maybe slightly better in some multithreaded apps as Core i7. This alone shows that. I don't expect release to all of the sudden have it blowing Core i7 away.

Budget king maybe. But its still unimpressive for a true 6 core. Well at least in the few multithreaded apps.

And I would say Q6600+/Phenom II X3+ is fine and in no need of an upgrade till Sandy Bridge/Bulldozer.

Need to wait for benchmarks. TDP is great until you see the system draw on it. Thats what I am waiting for.

This is pretty good. I'm beginning to regret ever going P55...

The 26th is when it's suppose to be out from what i know. Which is a little under 2 weeks from now.

This was hard for me to answer as I don’t see it mirroring the preliminary results nor do I see it outperforming i7 by a “considerable” margin. Personally I think it will perform slightly better than the preliminary results. I kind of can’t wait to see what this does to the price of all the other chips.

Unlike some others I can see where this extra power would be useful. If you write a lot of multithreaded code and like to test it in a reasonable time the extra power can come in handy. The only down side to having it complete fast is you don’t have as much of a break away from the computer.

Six core 1055t , 4340mhz with Air cooling.

http://hwbot.org/community/submiss [...] 5sec_959ms

Notice no temps posted. Would like to see those to see what its running at. I highly doubt it will run cooler than a quad core or use less power. If it was 32nm then maybe.

Would also like to know what typr of air cooling he is using and what the stock voltage is. Since Thuban is a new core, it is possible that AMD tweaked their 45nm and lowered the stock voltage but I doubt hes on 4.3GHz on air on stock voltage.

In single to quad core, I expect it to be behind Core i7. In 5+ cores I expect it to be on par or slightly beat Core i7 due to it having 2 more real cores vs 4 fake cores. I do not expect it to kill current Core i7s and I expect Gulfton to beat it in highly multithreaded apps.

But of course certain people want me to be amazed and drool all over it. Guess I need to put on my green kool-aide glasses for that.... whoops I broke em. Damn....

BTW, did anyone else see this guys stuff:

http://hwbot.org/community/user/ni [...] ubmissions

7.1GHz Core i5 670 (almost as fast as the 8GHz Pentium 4....)

And a 6.8GHz I7 980X..... damn............ thats almost as fast as the fastest clocked Phenom II..... but with 6 cores.....

I haven't been around for a while but the incredible stench of bull coming from the intel fanboys was too hard to resist.

Wait...what is going on here? Elmo is trying to say that he always said Thuban would match i7 clock for clock?

jimmysmitty has moved on to comparisons with intel's 32nm chips, after months of claiming Thuban wouldn't beat an i7 920?

Badtrip is probably having a REALLY badtrip atm.

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Here are the results -

i5 = finished. If you bought one of these, you already know what is coming. You are now looking at what your i5 cost, and doesn't give. Better luck next time guys, remember AMD is good too - and you might be able to plug bulldozer into the same socket.

45nm i7's = probably looking at a 40%-250% reduction in price depending on model.

All of this done by AMD on an older process with NO MONEY. Wake up kids, you've been backing the wrong side for too long.

Why am I upset with these unimpressive results?

Lol I can't visit this site without Mousemonkey following every word I type so what makes you think they don't already know?

Christ elmo fail a bit less please. You realise you linked pretty damning evidence I'd been searching for?

Clock for clock, mildly overclocked?

Backtrack more Elmo.

Look I will take my ban for this:

"Lonely women will do desperate things to emasculate men." BadTrip.

without a doubt

Trolling a troll is still be a troll.

While that is true, how hard would it be for AMD to allow and make nVidia support SLI and Crossfire on their boards. They can do a dual partnership so that the boards are actually decent, and nVidia get's their boards sold to all the enthusiast gamers buying AMD.

The lack of SLI and Crossfire support is what is really hurting AMD in my mind, at least when it comes to gamers.

Yes, both on the same board like the P55 and X58.

What I find hilarous about this is who is trying to antagonize whom? Jennyh used the term "kids" ... what else fits there ... morons, idiots, fanboys, nvidiots, spintel, ... Since when is this open forum supposed to be cesnored for being politially correct ... and what term should be used that won't offend anyone at all?

Everyone picks on Jennyh because of the known fact that she has been banned before, and now everyone just wants to keep fuelling the fire. who is the one really at war?

As far as the phenom x6, its a tweaked phenom core, you can't expect miracles from a company that Intel put nearly bankrupt (still not out of the question.) How long did it take Intel to answer the athlon and take over the fastest cpu battle,(how many billions of dollars were spent trying to do so) and now AMD is supposed to reclaim it over night otherwise they are just a piss poor cpu company. Quite frankly I find it piss poor to support a company thats hell bent on corruption at every level of the game, you know who I am talking about.

Also, exactly how do we compare clock to clock? do we use the vendor's specified will never run this slow clock speed or do we disable turbo to get an accurate and precice comparison? If we disable it then all the Intel fanboys cry fowl even if they are just trying to see clock for clock comparisons. Clock for clock comparisons died with the P4/A64 days imo. But now that Intel is faster clock for clock its all important again because it shows how vastly superior Intel is.

I will keep my comparisons on a price/performance basis for any purchases I make.

My gosh, you Tom's people are still pathetic.

Thuban introduces new lower-capacitance gating. You do know what 'gates' are, don't you?

The new gating process means less power consumption, less heat and less leakage within the same thermal design.

Do I have to explain to you what that means?

Actually, IMO this thread was fairly respectful & peaceful, until you unloaded the turd bomb above ...

Hmm, weren't you saying i5 was "finished" last summer before it even released?? Not to mention your stating that P2-965 would not be affected at all by i5, and then to strangely go silent as AMD reduced the price from $270 or whatever it was, down to what - $180?

Also, what did AMD do with that $1.25B from Intel again??