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New System for New builder v2 (high end gaming)

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February 5, 2010 3:34:50 PM

Hi, after a bit of research I've come back with a different build to ask all your opinions of, so here it goes (with links this time!):

Tower: Antec 1200

PSU: Corsair 850w HX

CPU: Intel i7 920

GPU: Radeon 5970

Motherboard: ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366

HDD: 500 MB Samsung

RAM: Patriot Viper II

DVD: Sony 24x Internal

Heat Sink: Xigmatek Dark Knight

All together that should be about £1200 tops.

Well, tell me what you think, I'm hoping to get ordering parts soon :) 

Thanks!
February 5, 2010 7:24:55 PM

Save yourself £30 and get a seriously good PSU: Antec CP850 850W Modular PSU £101.60. Review. The only reason not to get that Antec one is if you want to be able to use it in a future system in a different case AND the CPX form factor doesn't catch on.
Don't really have much to say about the rest considering that I didn't see your other thread.
February 5, 2010 7:33:45 PM

looks like a very solid build. You obviously don't need a monitor or OS or any other peripherals? I was going to suggest a different set of RAM, but that one has very good timings at a good price--I can't comment on its quality though as I've never used any Patriot RAM before.
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February 5, 2010 9:20:34 PM

Thanks Silvune I think I'll do that instead :) 
February 5, 2010 9:22:05 PM

And yes Fooly I need EVERYTHING else lol, OS, KB, Mouse, Sound System, Headset, Moustmat and a Monitor.

Quick Question, If i get one of the 120 Mhz monitors, will running it at 120 Mhz reduce my fps on games?
February 5, 2010 9:41:43 PM

I don't think so.
February 5, 2010 10:51:10 PM

I gotta echo Silvie on the CP-850 ..... not putting a CP-850 in there would be criminal :)  ... The 1200 is a CPX form factor case and the CP-850 is made specifically for that case on two others (P193 / P183)

Don't get me wrong, electrically the HC850 is an extremely high performance PSU.....but not only does the CP-850 match it electrically, it's also quieter than the HX.....not to mention $70 cheaper than the HX. The CP-850 makes the Editpr's Choice List at http://www.silentpcreview.com/article699-page1.html whereas the HX gets rated a notch down on the recommended list. The corresponding jonnyguru reviews are listed below:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

If the CPX form factor catches on, the CP-850 will be flat out untouchable. It is completely unmatched by any ATX unit on the market I can think of. You'd have to spend twice as much as this thing costs to find the next best thing, performance wise.

I don't know how Antec managed something this awesome for such a low price, but they must really want the CPX form factor taking off if this is the performance we're getting.


http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html

The Antec CP-850 is a superlative power supply by almost any standard. Its electrical performance is up at the level of its more expensive brethren, the Signature 650 and 850, and Seasonic's flagship, the M12D-850: Voltage regulation is extremely tight for all the lines at all loads, and the ripple noise is amazingly low.

The noise performance is excellent, with the <400W performance matching or bettering virtually every PSU tested thus far. Above 500W load in our heat box, the noise level goes over 40 dBA@1m, or about the norm for PSUs rated this high. It has the virtue keeping itself extremely cool, however, cooler than any other PSU we've tested at such high loads.

Our atypical spot check with a room ambient thermal test showed the CP-850 would reach only 24 dBA@1m at 700W load in a 27°C working environment. This is ridiculously quiet for such high power output.

For the quiet-seeking computer gaming enthusiast, the CP-850 (along with any of the three compatible cases) is something of a godsend. Fantastically stable power, super low noise at any power load, long expected reliability due to excellent cooling, modular cabling, and all at a price that's no higher than many high end 6~700W models. That you're limited to one of three well-executed high cases from Antec — one mostly for silence (P183), one mostly for gaming (1200) and one that's really an ultimate everyman case (P193) — is not exactly a hardship either.


MoBo - Not a fan of the AsRock ... at this point, I'm thinking USB 3 and SATA II compatibility is the way to go and that points to the ASUS P6X58D Premium .... the PSU cost savings should get you most of the way there. If budget still a problem, consider an 1156 based system which uses 2 x 2GB memory saving some more moola.

RAM - You'll need a 3 x 2B kit for 1366 socket MoBos.

Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The WD Black 2 TB is a good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)



February 5, 2010 10:59:31 PM

JackNaylorPE said:


RAM - You'll need a 3 x 2B kit for 1366 socket MoBos.prod[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)


I've been told multiple times that I don't need 3 sticks of RAM for a triple channel Motherboard. Even by people with dual channel RAM in combination with triple channel Motherboards, pretty sure its in another thread I made.

Anyone else use dual channel RAM in a triple channel Mobo?

Only difference I hear is it is slightly less optimized.

But I think I'll take you up on the suggestion of the 7200.12 :)  Thanks
February 5, 2010 11:13:40 PM

Why don't you go with the I-7 860 if you are going to waste time with dual channel ram in a trp channel board?...are you seroius?
February 6, 2010 12:17:33 AM

Jack, I approve of the nickname. :) 
For some reason I missed the dual channel 'mistake', maybe I was hungry...
I think it would be a good idea to get the right memory configuration for the platform. There is a good set of 6GB (3x2GB) 1333mhz on ebuyer for around £125. Which is mostly paid for by the change of PSU if the mobo isn't changed. Alternatively go 1156.
February 6, 2010 12:33:53 AM

Also, if you went with the Cooler Master 212 plus you would save a tiny bit and get a better performing cooler.
February 6, 2010 1:35:23 PM

darkside_gamer7 said:
Why don't you go with the I-7 860 if you are going to waste time with dual channel ram in a trp channel board?...are you seroius?


Because I've been told by someone who runs 4 Gig RAM on his Triple Channel MoBo that it works just fine? And because 920 is more future proof, full Dual 16X video bandwidth, its also cheaper and the I can easily upgrade to i9 if I ever need 6 cores.

lothdk said:
Also, if you went with the Cooler Master 212 plus you would save a tiny bit and get a better performing cooler.


This is the other cooler I had in mind, do you have anything to prove it keeps your cooler at a lower temp? I only put up the one listed because on digital versus it shows more powerful then all the coolermaster brand cooler's here.
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=60&ma1=355&mo...
February 6, 2010 1:41:18 PM

I'll just get triple channel RAM if it's that much of a problem.

Also what's a good motherboard that supports SLI or Crossfire?

I'm thinking of getting the

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/...

or

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Giga...(Socket+1366)+PCI-Express+DDR3+Motherboard+?productId=34709

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


EDIT_____________ Is this good triple channel RAM? http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Patr...(3x2GB)+DDR3+PC3-12800C8+Triple+Channel+Kit+?productId=34290
February 6, 2010 2:33:55 PM

cythx said:
This is the other cooler I had in mind, do you have anything to prove it keeps your cooler at a lower temp? I only put up the one listed because on digital versus it shows more powerful then all the coolermaster brand cooler's here.
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=60&ma1=355&mo...


You are comparing it to a V8 which is not the greatest of coolers.

Let me see if I can find some reviews.
February 6, 2010 2:45:51 PM

Here is a review of the Cooler Master 212 plus that includes a Xigmatek Dark Knight in the testing as well.
February 6, 2010 2:48:01 PM

lothdk said:
You are comparing it to a V8 which is not the greatest of coolers.

Let me see if I can find some reviews.


I said compared to /all/ ones found on that website :p 

Thanks a lot for the review
February 6, 2010 3:05:39 PM

cythx said:
I'll just get triple channel RAM if it's that much of a problem.

Also what's a good motherboard that supports SLI or Crossfire?

I'm thinking of getting the

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/...

or

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Giga...(Socket+1366)+PCI-Express+DDR3+Motherboard+?productId=34709

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


EDIT_____________ Is this good triple channel RAM? http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Patr...(3x2GB)+DDR3+PC3-12800C8+Triple+Channel+Kit+?productId=34290


The Asus board does not support SLI, and the Gigabyte can only accommodate 1 kit of triple channel memory (should you ever wish to upgrade).

I have never worked with Patriot ram, but once you have decided on a motherboard, check the manufacturers site for compatible ram.
February 6, 2010 3:14:51 PM

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Patr...(3x2GB)+DDR3+PC3-12800C8+Triple+Channel+Kit+?productId=34290

The MSI motherboard says it supports 'DDR3 SDRAM' and the RAM above says its techonology is 'DDR3 SDRAM'

Is that what I should be looking for when I'm looking for compatibility?
February 6, 2010 11:19:36 PM

Hey I was just saying the dual channel comment becuase you are buying a board that is built for Trip channel and you are just throwing away the option. Trip channel has more bandwidth then the dual channel when on those boards becuase of the bridge controllers are built to optimize for trip channel ram...all I was trying to put across...sry if I made you feel like NOOB was stamped on your forehead or was being a jerk
February 6, 2010 11:21:09 PM

Also you need a board that will support the new 6 cores...Like the Asus Premium...That Gig won't do it...sry charlie
February 6, 2010 11:22:53 PM

Do many games even use all 4 cores?

I'm not sure I'll need 6?

I'll take it into consideration tho
February 7, 2010 11:58:38 AM

cythx said:
Btw you mean this Asus Premium?

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/...

It doesn't support my CPU


I think darkside_gamer is talking about the X58 board since he is mentioning triplechannel memory, so the board he is talking about would be ASUS P6X58D Premium.

These new Asus Premium boards support Sata 6 GB and USB 3.

More and more games make use of multi threading, so yes, for a new gaming PC I would go quad core if the budget allows, have to remember, besides the game itself, there's the Windows processes, firewall, anti virus and whatever else people have running in the background.

February 7, 2010 12:09:38 PM

I am going for quad core, he was talking about 6+ cores. Also that's 100£ more then the motherboard I'm looking at
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Are there any other motherboards I should be looking at or is it really worth it to spend another 100£ on that motherboard?
February 7, 2010 12:41:45 PM

Only if you want Sata 6Gbps and/or USB 3. Or to be able to get a hexacore CPU when they come out, which it doesn't sound like you want, so I don't think you should be swayed to upgrade the mobo for a feature you don't want.
February 7, 2010 12:54:47 PM

I'll think about it, but besides that, what's the best way to make my pc wireless enabled? It will be to far away for an Ethernet cable
February 7, 2010 3:57:14 PM

Is one more typically more effective then the other or does it depend on the model a lot?
February 7, 2010 4:16:00 PM

Either is good...it just depends on the model and capability...You mentioned the six core earlier and thats why I said that...The I-7 860 is a better chip then the 920 anyways if you wanted to stick to dual channel mem and ignore the hype on trip channel...I guess the benchmarks are better w/ the 860 by more then 4% and it costs less...You can check out my thread that I started and let me know what you think...I'm building a new PC myself as soon as I get the parts ordered on the 12th. Here is the thread...http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom......
Thing won't let me just copy the thread location so here is the long version...Hate this old pc...can't wait to get my new one...Banthracis says some stuff on the 860 on here that is enlightening.
February 7, 2010 4:18:33 PM

Half of your link isn't there, and ya I know the 860 is a bit stronger, but I'm overclocking anyway.
February 7, 2010 4:22:18 PM

Hope that helps...Do what you think is right...this site is for advice not to tell you what to do...Good Luck friend
February 7, 2010 7:09:23 PM

Thanks, I'll read that.

I think I'm fine on everything besides the motherboard now though, I'm not sure if I want to skip out on the features of a more expensive motherboard (like USB 3.0), can anyone offer a few suggestions that don't surpass 200£?
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