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April 15, 2010 1:27:05 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nehalem-sandy-bridge-p...
The new chips will run on the LGA1155 Intel 6-Series platform codenamed Cougar Point.

Another reason to switch to AMD.

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April 15, 2010 1:29:45 AM

Flame bait.

At any rate, do you really think Intel would let LGA1366 die considering that it's the socket used on current Intel Xeons?
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April 15, 2010 1:57:22 AM

Shadow703793 said:
Flame bait.

At any rate, do you really think Intel would let LGA1366 die considering that it's the socket used on current Intel Xeons?



Yes.
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April 15, 2010 6:19:39 AM

werxen said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nehalem-sandy-bridge-p...
The new chips will run on the LGA1155 Intel 6-Series platform codenamed Cougar Point.

Another reason to switch to AMD.


Huh. So AMD switches to AM3 thats 2 pins less than AM2/2+, provides a new chipset and platform and its compatable but Intel does the same and its not?

The 6 series is expected for Sandy Bridge. Remember 3 was core C2D/C2Q 65nm, 4 was for C2d/C2Q 45nm, 5 was for Nehalem so 6 is for Sandy Bridge.

BTW, Toms missed it but Sandy Bridge will also be out for LGA1365. Less pins is fine. If they had more that would be a different story.

andy5174 said:
Who cares! I always get a new MB in every upgrade.


Thats the best thing to do. Thos people on a older AM2 mobo with a Phenom II will hit a bad bottleneck pretty soon.

I am all for a upgrade path for say 3 years but after that the mobo gets so old and the tech on it is so slow, its not worth it to not get a new mobo.
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April 15, 2010 7:33:35 AM

AMD changed the pin count but they have also had drop in replacements since the socket 939 ddr1 chips. With Intel's record I do not believe any current boards will run sandybridge period. I am sticking with that until is confirmed. Since Intel is about to ship out samples of the chips we shall find out soon.

And there is no need to switch out motherboards for every new build. Especially when the boards cost about the same price as the friggin cpus. Well there is if its a Intel build. You usually have to. I will use my self for example. PCI 2.0, usb3,sata3,sata6 and countless other stuff I have no use for.

Those people with the AM2 board will hit bad bottleneck soon? Maybe they will. But look how long they have the board for. It saved alot of money from switching boards all the time for a upgrade.

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April 15, 2010 7:46:17 AM

Running a phenom 11 and bottleknecking? Time for a new gfx card.
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April 15, 2010 10:15:14 AM

andy5174 said:
Who cares! I always get a new MB in every upgrade.

Who cares? Most people.
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April 15, 2010 11:00:20 AM

WHY DOESNT MY INTEL E7500 FIT IN AN AMD AM2+ SOCKET!!!!

GAY!
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April 15, 2010 11:07:53 AM

andy5174 said:
Who cares! I always get a new MB in every upgrade.


Couldnt agree more, theres nothing i hate more then seeing peoples rigs like high end system components mixed with rubbish that makes the whole rig slow and unstable and just uber rubbish - NEW RIG NEW COMPONENTS - its why my rigs work 100%, and idiots rigs have issues.
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April 15, 2010 11:15:43 AM

Well you people have been saying that for moths i think ones AMD releases the 6 cores (Thuban, Bulldozer) Intel will wake and do a couple of budget CPUs. Anyways what does it change 1156 has bandwidth issues. Thank god AMD is budget friendly. Seriously WTF is up with INTELÉ
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April 15, 2010 1:04:50 PM

apache_lives said:
Couldnt agree more, theres nothing i hate more then seeing peoples rigs like high end system components mixed with rubbish that makes the whole rig slow and unstable and just uber rubbish - NEW RIG NEW COMPONENTS - its why my rigs work 100%, and idiots rigs have issues.


Humble, aren't we? I used to be one of your so-called "idiots". With an attitude like that, I bet plenty of people ask for help from you... *thinly veiled sarcasm*
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April 15, 2010 1:09:15 PM

Why would I switch to AMD over this?

Socket 478 lasted a long time (as did LGA 775).

And for AMD Socket 754 and the first 940 (Athlon64 FX-5x series) had a very short lifespan... I should know... I had a socket 940.

So you can pick and choose examples from either company for both longevity and short lifespans.

So in the end... either company will, at one time or another, switch sockets. I'm used to it (been doing this for decades).

Peace.
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April 15, 2010 1:37:47 PM

Herr_Koos said:
Humble, aren't we? I used to be one of your so-called "idiots". With an attitude like that, I bet plenty of people ask for help from you... *thinly veiled sarcasm*


Ever seen a Q6600 put in a crap case with 2x2gb PC8500 DDR2 and a 512mb PC5300 stick of ram with it? IDIOTS DO THAT - its so stupid so excuse me if it bugs me when someone ruins there system doing something so stupid, if you do that kind of thing too, you sir are an idiot.
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April 15, 2010 1:45:55 PM

apache_lives said:
Ever seen a Q6600 put in a crap case with 2x2gb PC8500 DDR2 and a 512mb PC5300 stick of ram with it? IDIOTS DO THAT - its so stupid so excuse me if it bugs me when someone ruins there system doing something so stupid, if you do that kind of thing too, you sir are an idiot.


People who who've never been told better do stuff like that. That's why they visit these forums: to get help, not to be told how stupid they are.
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April 15, 2010 1:46:23 PM

ElMoIsEviL said:
Why would I switch to AMD over this?

Socket 478 lasted a long time (as did LGA 775).

And for AMD Socket 754 and the first 940 (Athlon64 FX-5x series) had a very short lifespan... I should know... I had a socket 940.

So you can pick and choose examples from either company for both longevity and short lifespans.

So in the end... either company will, at one time or another, switch sockets. I'm used to it (been doing this for decades).

Peace.


Not so true

Prescotts were short lived for 478 and required all new boards, as did the C class P4's (Northwood C) to get the full speed etc, LGA 775 worked with P4's, then Pentium D's required new motherboards, then Core2's the same, then Core 2 (45nm gen etc) required new boards again etc (with exceptions everywhere ofcourse).

AMD's 754 came and went, 940 was just rubbish, 939 didnt last too long, AM2 finally showed some sort of life span it seems but still replaced by AM2+ (atleast some sort of compatibility back/foreward etc) and now AM3 hopefully will last... but with 8 core etc get the feeling that will change soon too perhaps...

Conclusion: NO REAL UPGRADE "PATH" - ITS A MYTH

You buy your CPU and Motherboard together when upgrading, but thats nothing new, iv done that every time, i never bother with CPU upgrades, i usually keep a rig for ~3 years and replace the lot with the exception of the odd video card, hdd or ram etc, using old crap in a new build is just wrong.
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April 15, 2010 2:04:36 PM

apache_lives said:
WHY DOESNT MY INTEL E7500 FIT IN AN AMD AM2+ SOCKET!!!!

GAY!


If I controlled the EU, I'd force AMD and Intel to use the same socket. Socket Super Super 7.
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April 15, 2010 2:20:34 PM

apache_lives said:
Not so true

Prescotts were short lived for 478 and required all new boards, as did the C class P4's (Northwood C) to get the full speed etc, LGA 775 worked with P4's, then Pentium D's required new motherboards, then Core2's the same, then Core 2 (45nm gen etc) required new boards again etc (with exceptions everywhere ofcourse).

AMD's 754 came and went, 940 was just rubbish, 939 didnt last too long, AM2 finally showed some sort of life span it seems but still replaced by AM2+ (atleast some sort of compatibility back/foreward etc) and now AM3 hopefully will last... but with 8 core etc get the feeling that will change soon too perhaps...

Conclusion: NO REAL UPGRADE "PATH" - ITS A MYTH

You buy your CPU and Motherboard together when upgrading, but thats nothing new, iv done that every time, i never bother with CPU upgrades, i usually keep a rig for ~3 years and replace the lot with the exception of the odd video card, hdd or ram etc, using old crap in a new build is just wrong.



Northwood, Northwood B and Northwood C and the first Prescott all on socket 478 (albeit Northwood C used an 800MHz FSB which, if you only had a measly little i845 based board, you were SoL but I had a Granite Bay board which functioned at 800MHz).

Socket 775.. I had the Asus P5W-DH Deluxe worked with Prescott and Core 2s.


In my opinion buying a cheap board and then complaining that there is no upgrade path doesn't count.

As for AMD... well they stuck on Socket 7 for a little longer (although some of their CPUs needed a Super Socket 7 capable motherboard). Socket 462 also lasted quite a while (From K7 Thunderbird to Barton but with various chipsets along the way and various FSB speeds).

Both companies have offered decent upgrade paths at times and little to no upgrade paths other times.
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April 15, 2010 2:28:59 PM

Well, AM2+ has been a good socket... (I hate my AM2 board lol)

Can get up to an X6

Just the biggest link in CPU upgradeablity is the BIOS.
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April 15, 2010 3:43:44 PM

andy5174 said:
Who cares! I always get a new MB in every upgrade.

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apache_lives said:
Couldnt agree more, theres nothing i hate more then seeing peoples rigs like high end system components mixed with rubbish that makes the whole rig slow and unstable and just uber rubbish - NEW RIG NEW COMPONENTS - its why my rigs work 100%, and idiots rigs have issues.

Thats because with Intel, you have no choice.

You think thier 2B/quarter comes from CPU only sales? Comes from forcing thier fanboys to buy more than they have to just to get a new CPU.
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April 15, 2010 4:28:09 PM

noob2222 said:
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Thats because with Intel, you have no choice.

You think thier 2B/quarter comes from CPU only sales? Comes from forcing thier fanboys to buy more than they have to just to get a new CPU.

In your desire to slag off Intel, you have confused yourself over how few people actually just do CPU upgrades, as opposed to CPU/motherboard upgrades, irrespective if there is an upgrade path a user could have taken.

Enthusiast forums like this one are not an accurate reflection of the wider market and especially amongst the AMD users on such a forum, they upgraded their CPU's in mass, because they were so ashamed of Phenom and wanted to purge their systems of that rot, for a better performing Phenom II.
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April 15, 2010 5:35:45 PM

Chad Boga said:
In your desire to slag off Intel, you have confused yourself over how few people actually just do CPU upgrades, as opposed to CPU/motherboard upgrades, irrespective if there is an upgrade path a user could have taken.

Enthusiast forums like this one are not an accurate reflection of the wider market and especially amongst the AMD users on such a forum, they upgraded their CPU's in mass, because they were so ashamed of Phenom and wanted to purge their systems of that rot, for a better performing Phenom II.

Does it really matter how many people upgrace thier cpu only when 80+% of the market is owned by Intel who forces those to buy a new MB? It doesn't change the fact that you HAVE TO BUY A NEW INTEL BOARD.

Stick to facts instead of your own bantering about how smart you think you are because quite frankly I don't care. The only thing your good at is throwing around big words that are maningless with no proof of your own countenance.

If you had a 790FX board would you really consider buying a new MB when you purchase a new AMD cpu, including bulldozer? ya, 890FX will be out by then, but the performance difference from 790x to 890gx was 0.65%, would you really upgrade for that?

Better yet, would you upgrade your x58 board when you purchase a sandy bridge processor from Intel... oh wait, you don't have a choice.
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April 15, 2010 5:45:00 PM

Chad Boga said:
In your desire to slag off Intel, you have confused yourself over how few people actually just do CPU upgrades, as opposed to CPU/motherboard upgrades, irrespective if there is an upgrade path a user could have taken.

Enthusiast forums like this one are not an accurate reflection of the wider market and especially amongst the AMD users on such a forum, they upgraded their CPU's in mass, because they were so ashamed of Phenom and wanted to purge their systems of that rot, for a better performing Phenom II.



This is rubbish. Anybody that does a cpu or motherboard upgrade is a enthusiast as far as I am concerned. How few people that actually do just cpu upgrades is a direct result of not having the option to do just that.


The mass market buys hp/dells/macs.

The AMD users upgraded because it was a very affordable upgrade. Just the price of the chip. No new board. No new ram required. And the performance increase was substantial. Remember all the systems built around the x2 6000/6400/5000 black edition with DDR2 800. I suppose all those people that popped a Phenom II into the machines are ashamed somehow.
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April 15, 2010 5:47:26 PM

noob2222 said:
Does it really matter how many people upgrace thier cpu only when 80+% of the market is owned by Intel who forces those to buy a new MB? It doesn't change the fact that you HAVE TO BUY A NEW INTEL BOARD.

Stick to facts instead of your own bantering about how smart you think you are because quite frankly I don't care. The only thing your good at is throwing around big words that are maningless with no proof of your own countenance.

If you had a 790FX board would you really consider buying a new MB when you purchase a new AMD cpu, including bulldozer? ya, 890FX will be out by then, but the performance difference from 790x to 890gx was 0.65%, would you really upgrade for that?

Better yet, would you upgrade your x58 board when you purchase a sandy bridge processor from Intel... oh wait, you don't have a choice.

The only time I considered ever upgrading was with Socket 939, but AMD stopped making Dual Cores for it available, when I wanted to upgrade, so I just stuck it out with my AMD 3000+ for longer than originally planned.

However with my current i7 860, I can't see myself wanting to upgrade until the whole platform and CPU becomes so compelling, so for me, that will be not at least for 3 more years.

But my main point was that it is nice if as an enthusiast you get "something for nothing", but the economics of the industry are such, that it seems a bit churlish to be getting cranky when the mainstream will be accommodated as a priority.
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April 15, 2010 5:53:13 PM

someguy7 said:
The AMD users upgraded because it was a very affordable upgrade. Just the price of the chip. No new board. No new ram required. And the performance increase was substantial. Remember all the systems built around the x2 6000/6400/5000 black edition with DDR2 800. I suppose all those people that popped a Phenom II into the machines are ashamed somehow.

I recall how many people on XS upgraded within the first week of the PhII's release, and most of those had the original Phleanoms.

When I asked why didn't they at least wait a month or two so that they avoided the "early adopter tax", they either didn't answer or gave an answer which made no sense.

Clearly they were sick of the Intel fanboys laughing at their terrible CPU choice and wanted to be free of ridicule.


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April 15, 2010 6:09:23 PM

randomizer said:
Who cares? Most people.


'Most people' buy a new PC when their old one is too slow or broken to continue using. I doubt that even 1% of PC users ever upgrade their CPU.

In fact, I'd be surprised if even most people on this forum upgrade their CPU rather than build a new system. Putting next year's 8-core CPU in a dual-channel DDR2 board would seem mad even if it is supported.

In addition, didn't some testers decide a while back that AMD's memory performance was throttled by the need for their new CPUs to support DDR2 for older motherboards as well as DDR3 for new boards?
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April 15, 2010 6:10:51 PM

Chad Boga said:
I recall how many people on XS upgraded within the first week of the PhII's release, and most of those had the original Phleanoms.

When I asked why didn't they at least wait a month or two so that they avoided the "early adopter tax", they either didn't answer or gave an answer which made no sense.

Clearly they were sick of the Intel fanboys laughing at their terrible CPU choice and wanted to be free of ridicule.


No. They did it because even with the "early adopter tax" the chips where still a good price/performance increase. And they could also get decent overclocks as well at launch.. Something the chips they had could not. . Suggesting the people upgrade hw simply because of Intel fans laughing at their cpu is just flat out stupid. The chips where faster clock for clock. Cooler. Overclocked better. And had a higher clockspeed to begin with. But yeah, They upgraded because Intel fans made fun of them on a forum......
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April 15, 2010 6:14:37 PM

someguy7 said:
No. They did it because even with the "early adopter tax" the chips where still a good price/performance increase. And they could also get decent overclocks as well at launch.. Something the chips they had could not. . Suggesting the people upgrade hw simply because of Intel fans laughing at their cpu is just flat out stupid. The chips where faster clock for clock. Cooler. Overclocked better. And had a higher clockspeed to begin with. But yeah, They upgraded because Intel fans made fun of them on a forum......

You missed my point.

Yes it made sense to upgrade in an orderly fashion, but why did so many of them have to do it in the first week?

Hell they were trying to do it in the first day of release.

This is all against a backdrop where people knew that for the first few weeks or maybe a month, there might be a $50 premium that the retailers were slapping on.

Why couldn't they wait a month? You could see that they just couldn't wait to rip Phleanom out of their rigs to replace with the PhII.
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April 15, 2010 6:41:14 PM

Chad Boga said:
You missed my point.

Yes it made sense to upgrade in an orderly fashion, but why did so many of them have to do it in the first week?

Hell they were trying to do it in the first day of release.

This is all against a backdrop where people knew that for the first few weeks or maybe a month, there might be a $50 premium that the retailers were slapping on.

Why couldn't they wait a month? You could see that they just couldn't wait to rip Phleanom out of their rigs to replace with the PhII.


They did it simply because they wanted the performance increase. Would I have done it? No. But then again I would have never got a Phenom 1 in the first place.

Why did so many people buy the i7 920 at launch. The mobos had a premium on them. The ram had a premium as well. Plus the early adopter tax from the retailers on top of that. Why did they do that? AMD fans where making run of them maybe.
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April 15, 2010 6:46:54 PM

someguy7 said:
They did it simply because they wanted the performance increase. Would I have done it? No. But then again I would have never got a Phenom 1 in the first place.

Why did so many people buy the i7 920 at launch. The mobos had a premium on them. The ram had a premium as well. Plus the early adopter tax from the retailers on top of that. Why did they do that? AMD fans where making run of them maybe.

The i7 adoption wasn't as quick as the PhII adoption, and no doubt the initial high price was a deterrent as Intel buyers weren't burdened by the emotional immaturity so commonly found amongst AMD buyers.
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April 15, 2010 7:07:07 PM

Chad Boga said:
The i7 adoption wasn't as quick as the PhII adoption, and no doubt the initial high price was a deterrent as Intel buyers weren't burdened by the emotional immaturity so commonly found amongst AMD buyers.

If i recall correctly, the I7 adoption was rather slow due to the fact that most common question asked was "how long will this motherboard be supported since its going to cost me $300+."

As far as waiting, look what happened with the 5k series GPUs. First week buyers got the lowest prices. AMD has a tendecy to start low, Intel starts by price gouging. Don't know if phenom was the same, don't care either since its a thing of the past. you might want to write that down. "Of the past" means its over and done with, we are looking at the future options here, and AMD owns Intel right now (meaning in the present) in that regard.
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April 15, 2010 7:15:29 PM

noob2222 said:
If i recall correctly, the I7 adoption was rather slow due to the fact that most common question asked was "how long will this motherboard be supported since its going to cost me $300+."

The stats on people who upgrade CPU's doesn't really support that considering the whole i7 platform was very expensive at the start and this was not only confirmed by Otellini who referred to the i7 range as Intel's premium range, but by Intel announcing a cheaper mainstream platform would be coming out later that year(i.e. Lynnfield). So price alone would have been the overwhelming factor in the i7's understandably slow uptake.

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As far as waiting, look what happened with the 5k series GPUs. First week buyers got the lowest prices.

Whilst that is true on that occasion, it wasn't true for the 4k series and the conversation was about the retailers price gouging due to short supply, rather than the manufacturer raising prices.

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we are looking at the future options here, and AMD owns Intel right now (meaning in the present) in that regard.

What regard are you referring to here?
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April 15, 2010 7:18:09 PM

People are gonna scream at each other until Intel gives a real answer.
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April 15, 2010 8:03:17 PM

Chad Boga said:
The i7 adoption wasn't as quick as the PhII adoption, and no doubt the initial high price was a deterrent as Intel buyers weren't burdened by the emotional immaturity so commonly found amongst AMD buyers.


The AMD buyers are not emotional/immature. It made perfect sense to upgrade. If the PII came out and required a new mobo/new ddr3 ram/plus the cpu it would not have sold as well.

If the i series magically could have worked in board that supported the c2q for example they would have flown off the shelfs. Hell, even if Intel did what AMD did with the DDR2&3 memory controllers it would have sold alot more chips.

I do recall on forums there was plenty of folks waiting for the i7 with it on pre-order and all that jazz.
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April 15, 2010 8:06:51 PM

someguy7 said:
I do recall on forums there was plenty of folks waiting for the i7 with it on pre-order and all that jazz.

Well it was considered to be the next gen architecture, whereas PhII was originally meant to be a Conroe to Penryn upgrade, but the Phenom was so dire, PhII became more than a Penryn like upgrade.
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April 15, 2010 8:13:33 PM

Predictable flame war follows predictable flame bait. What nobody has mentioned is your AM2/775/AM3/1366 (or whatever) motherboard doesn't suddenly become any less effective just because vendor A or vendor I decided it was time to chage/update sockets and/or chipset.


Userremoved said:
People are gonna scream at each other until Intel gives a real answer.



..actually, people are going to scream at each other because {"the other guy"} has an opinion that differs from {"my own"}, and screaming at him is a whole hell of a lot easier than accepting there is more than one way to go about things. Not to mention it provides endless opportunities for personal amusement at the expense of others. But it's OK. After all, {"the other guy"} does it too.

Passes the time spent not working. Cheaper than WOW, too.

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April 15, 2010 8:22:34 PM

Scotteq said:



..actually, people are going to scream at each other because {"the other guy"} has an opinion that differs from {"my own"}, and screaming at him is a whole hell of a lot easier than accepting there is more than one way to go about things. Not to mention it provides endless opportunities for personal amusement at the expense of others. But it's OK. After all, {"the other guy"} does it too.

Passes the time spent not working. Cheaper than WOW, too.

The thing about wars like this (console war, Intel vs AMD) is all mater of opinion.
-Argument: the meaning of life :pt1cable:  .

Still if Intel is doing this it is pretty crapie for the budget consumers.
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April 15, 2010 8:25:43 PM

I understand why people would be skepticle of Sandy Bridge running in current boards. But remember, Core 2 was supported by the 945P chipset IF the mobo vendor added support. Asus had one that supported from the first Core 2 alll the way to 45nm Core 2 Quad Extremes.

I would like to think it will be a drop in. But it will still be more based on the mobo vendor than Intel like it always has been.
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April 15, 2010 8:39:16 PM

Userremoved said:
Still if Intel is doing this it is pretty crapie for the budget consumers.


Oh, I don't know - Aren't (versions of) Sandy Bridge supposed to have an integrated GPU?


Took a second to check, and the answer is yes: http://www.techpowerup.com/98585/Intel_SandyBridge_Main... They're supposed to have at least some graphics capability baked in.

Seems to me that's a budget piece right there. And since the current sockets/chipsets don't have directly integrated graphics, then (1) There's no direct comparison or "replacing" going on. (2) It is/was almost a foregone conclusion that (at least a different version of current) "New" chipset would be required. And (3) by definition, at least some of them are budget parts.

Plus, If you look at things from a 9xx Core i7 point of view, I'm not sure the whole 'Budget Consumer' aspect has much validity, since these are not parts that budget concious people buy.

<shrug> Hell.. If someone were more of a fanboi, or wanted to start flame wars, they could opine that Intel are now gunning for AMD's core business with 32nm budget pieces. Probably just as accurate, if not moreso, as the original post. And just as likely to warm up the forums.

But since no pricing has been announced, it's all conjecture anyhow.


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April 15, 2010 8:52:22 PM

Scotteq said:
Oh, I don't know - Aren't (versions of) Sandy Bridge supposed to have an integrated GPU?


Took a second to check, and the answer is yes: http://www.techpowerup.com/98585/Intel_SandyBridge_Main... They're supposed to have at least some graphics capability baked in.

Seems to me that's a budget piece right there. And since the current sockets/chipsets don't have directly integrated graphics, then (1) There's no direct comparison or "replacing" going on. (2) It is/was almost a foregone conclusion that (at least a different version of current) "New" chipset would be required. And (3) by definition, at least some of them are budget parts.

Plus, If you look at things from a 9xx Core i7 point of view, I'm not sure the whole 'Budget Consumer' aspect has much validity, since these are not parts that budget concious people buy.

<shrug> Hell.. If someone were more of a fanboi, or wanted to start flame wars, they could opine that Intel are now gunning for AMD's core business with 32nm budget pieces. Probably just as accurate, if not moreso, as the original post. And just as likely to warm up the forums.

But since no pricing has been announced, it's all conjecture anyhow.

Oh my! I'm sorry I forgot Intel had not released prices.
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April 16, 2010 3:14:53 AM

jimmysmitty said:
I understand why people would be skepticle of Sandy Bridge running in current boards. But remember, Core 2 was supported by the 945P chipset IF the mobo vendor added support. Asus had one that supported from the first Core 2 alll the way to 45nm Core 2 Quad Extremes.

I would like to think it will be a drop in. But it will still be more based on the mobo vendor than Intel like it always has been.


It's still a rumour.

No need to prime the nukes.

Yet...
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