First Time Water-Cooling Setup, Help Needed Please

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Hey all, I've been browsing through topics on Tom's Hardware and XStremeSystems before finally making a topic here.

I'm hoping to do my first liquid cooling setup this summer and I'm trying to determine the best parts for what I'll need.

A few of the problems I'm facing is that I'm trying to also accomodate for the future aswell (which is know is nearly impossible to do with computers so please bear with me).

If you guys need absoulutely anything else to be able to offer advice/assistance then please let me know.

Alright, the big list:


The sites linked here are where I plan on making the purchase to get the best deal. This list is as much for your reference as it is mine. Exact specifications of the products can be found on these pages.

Outside:

Cooler Master Cosmos II
This is a matter of preference on this case, I looked through many and ended up with a toss-up between the HAF X and the Cosmos II, in the end, I chose the Cosmos II because it had more interior room and I preferred the sleek appearance. It comes with 1x200mm, 1x140mm and 3x120mm fans. All of them except the 200mm and 140mm I will be replacing.

Exterior Accessories:

Aft]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-176-023&SortField=2&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29&Page=1]Aft PRO USB 3.0 Internal Card Reader[/url]
I wanted an internal card reader, not an external. I looked at several and the Aft PRO seemed to be the best in terms of features and company customer service.

Pioneer]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129074]Pioneer Blu-Ray, DVD Recorder/Writer[/url]
Although CDs are slowly becoming obsolete, I wanted a drive that could also function as a high-end movie player (I'll have to get some Bluray drivers). Pioneer is a fantastic brand and I'm confident this will be a reliable and quality player.


Inside: Hardware

Asus Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Motherboard
For a high end build, I wanted a high end motherboard. The Rampage IV Extreme is still amongst the top in high end motherboards while still fitting in an ATX-E standard size.

G. Skill Ripjaw X Series 16GB Pack x4
G. Skill offers a life time warranty on their memory (much like Kingston) however I went with this in part because it more fit the style of the interior setup of the entire system. The money difference is negligible. My only concern about these is the non-standard size so please let me know if you think there would be any clearance/fitting issues with my current layout.

Intel i7 3930k LGA 2011 Hex-Core Hyperthreaded
Since I started looking into building my own system, I always wanted a six-core processor. I was originally going to go with the 3690x until I found out that the 3930k could be overclocked as well. Which was just as good because it was half the price.

Asus Xonar D2X 7.1 Channel Sound Card
A dedicated sound card was needed for my headset, after much researching I stumbled across the discontinued model from Asus. Next to their flagship, this is in my opinion the best sound card ever made by Asus or ROG that also features a stylish casing and light input jacks. I have already purchased this so there is no store link.

Crucial 960GB Internal SSD x2
I'm still a bit undecided on this mainly because of the price however 2TB would be plenty of room without ever having to worry about the need for an external drive. I do plan on getting a SSD in this thing eventually and this price isn't much higher than the 512GB SSD I put into my laptop. Crucial is a good name and I have not had any problems with them. I may just buy one and throw in one of the 3 standard hard drives from my current pc for now. I do not want to go with OCZ.

Nvidia GTX 7xx Flagship x2
Still unannounced and unreleased, when the 700 series of the 690 (flagship of the 600 series) comes out, I will be purchasing two of these and throwing them into my rig with dual SLI, something I have already calculated for in my loop total heat dispersal. Until these arrive my processor should be running icy-cool. Until then I will just be using the GTX 560 in my current rig.

Seasonic 1000W Platnium PSU
A top brand PSU with plenty of PCIe spots, this power supply should last a long time and provide no problems.

Inside: Watercooling

Lamptron CW611 Cooling Controller
The CW611 has 6-channels at 36W each and automatic detection for pumps plus 6 temperature probe connectors and an automatic mode that actually lets you adjust the maximum threshold (so when temperature goes past set level you can set it to go to 80% and not just 100%). It is 3-pin.

Swiftech]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11740/ex-pmp-109/]Swiftech MCP35X PWM Pump and Heatsink[/url]
The use of a fan controller defeats the usage of PWM on this pump (and the fact that very few motherboard fan headers can actually supply enough power without frying). However the MCP35X was a pump I found recommended several times during my research and it simply the MCP35X housing built over/around a Liang pump, the best pump brand one can buy. It uses a Molex 4-pin connector.

Swiftech]http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=72245&promoid=1294]Swiftech MCRES Micro Rev2 Reservoir[/url]
Picking a reservoir took just about the longest of any of the watercooling components. I ended up finally going with this because the reservoir isn't something you usually show off (unless you go with the cathode helix reservoirs I was looking at earlier -there are pictures further down on this page). The Rev2s small form factor and mounting brackets will allow me to keep it in an accessible area that is still out of the way and to keep it firmly secured at all times. I plan on attaching this directly to the pump.

XSPC]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17140/ex-rad-442/XSPC_AX360_Triple_120mm_Radiator_w_Aluminum_Enclosure_-_Black.html]XSPC AX360 40mm Radiator[/url]
This will be mounted above the motherboard in the case. It was a tossup between the AX Series which has a much better cooling factor at the cost of an increase in thickness by 4.5mm and the EX series which is 35.5mm thick compared to the AX 40mm. Both are still quite slim however it would be appreciated if anyone voiced their concerns if it looked like there might be a clearance issue.

XSPC]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8522/ex-rad-145/XSPC_RX240_Dual_120mm_Radiator.html]XSPC RX240 58.5mm Radiator[/url]
This is a full sized radiator. It will be mounted near the bottom front of the case by removing one set of the hard drive docks. It will be working in conjunction with the AX series to provide the total cooling for the system. The fans for each radiator have also been picked to maximize cooling of the radiator based on fan performance.

Koolance]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17580/ex-blc-1376/Koolance_CPU-380I_Intel_Liquid_Cooling_CPU_Block_-_No_Fittings_.html]Koolance CPU 380I Waterblock[/url]
LGA 2011 Compatible, this is the new king of the waterblock hill. Mounting hardware is included however there are no barbs, which isn't a problem.

Primochill]http://www.amazon.com/PrimoFlex-Advanced-2in-4in-Tubing/dp/B00A93CSZS%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAITGUCRWDXETAIGSQ%26tag%3Dmoddersmartco-20%26linkCode%3Dsp1%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00A93CSZS]Primochill Primoflex Pro LRT Tubing Red 10ft.[/url]
This tubing came highly recommended. Its specifications are 1/2in. ID 3/4in. OD.

EK]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18982/ex-tub-1794/EK_G14_Thread_Perfect_Seal_Compression_Fitting_-_13mm_ID_x_19mm_OD_12_x_34_-_Black.html?tl=g57c593s1952]EK G1/4 1/2in. ID 3/4in. OD Compression Fittings x12[/url]

EK]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17833/ex-tub-1597/EK_CSQ_G14_Thread_45_Fitting_Adapter_-_Black_EK-CSQ_Adapter_45_G14_Black.html?tl=g57c593s1894]EK 45Degree G1/4 Adapter x2[/url]

EK]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17831/ex-tub-1595/EK_CSQ_G14_Thread_90_Fitting_Adapter_-_Black_EK-CSQ_Adapter_90_G14_Black.html?tl=g57c593s1894]EK 90Degree G1/4 Adapter x6[/url]
We have 2 for each radiator, 1 so the reservoir can drain into the pump via gravity top-down and 1 for flow into the reservoir.

Bitspower]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12721/ex-tub-815/Bitspower_G_14_Multi_Transfer_Base_Coupler_-_Matte_Black_BP-MBWP-C03.html]Bitspower G1/4 Female Female Adapter x1[/url]
This will be used in the drain line to connect the tubing fittings to the cap.

Bitspower]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10363/ex-tub-609/Bitspower_Dual_G14_Male_Male_Fitting_-_Matte_Black_BP-MBWP-C08.html?tl=c101s1354b145#blank]Bitspower G1/4 Male Male Adapter x2[/url]
This will connect the reservoir to the 90Degree adapter into the pump and the T-Block to the Drain Valve.

Bitspower]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10382/ex-tub-622/Bitspower_G14_Matte_Black_T_Adapter_BP-MBTMB.html?tl=c499s745b145]Bitspower T-Block[/url]
This will be to actually include the drain line.

Bitspower]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14596/ex-tub-1035/Bitspower_G14_Mini_Valve_-_Matte_Black_BP-MVV-MBK.html?tl=c101s1332b145#blank]Bitspower G1/4 Mini Valve[/url]
I just saw this and thought it would make a great addition to my drain line, this way I can stop the flow as I take off the drain cap and then open up the valve once the line is actually in the drain container. It eliminates the need to hold the line up higher than the computer while you get everything setup.

Bitspower]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10362/ex-tub-610/Bitspower_G14_Low_Profile_Matte_Black_Stop_Plug_w_O-Ring_BP-MBWP-C09.html?tl=c101s743b145]Bitspower G1/4 Stop Fitting[/url]
This will be at the very end of the drain line.

Bitspower]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10373/ex-tub-620/Bitspower_G_14_Temperature_Sensor_Stop_Fitting_-_Matte_Black_BP-MBWP-CT.html?tl=c101s457b145]Bitspower G1/4 Temperature Probe Stop Fitting[/url]
This will be very good for getting precise water readings for the fan controller. It will replace the bottom stop fitting in the Micro Rev2.

Monsoon]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15814/ex-tub-1255/Monsoon_999_Fine_Silver_Bullet_Antimicrobial_G_14_Plug_-_Black_MON-PLUG-AG-BLK.html?tl=g30c101s743#blank]Monsoon Silver Bullet G1/4 Plug[/url]
A little added anti-microbial protection, this will replace the top stop fitting in the Micro Rev 2 reservoir.

Silver]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11441/ex-tub-705/IandH_Silver_KillCoils_-_Antimicrobial_999_Fine_Silver_Tubing_Reservoir_Strip.html]Silver Kill Coil[/url]
The main silver component of the build. I'll just drop this straight into the reservoir to avoid it travelling to unwanted spots.

Artic]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007]Artic Silver 5 High Density Thermal Compound[/url]
The best thermal compound money can buy, this came highly recommended from my computer tech friend.

Inside: Aircooling

Enermax]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214032&Tpk=vegas%20trio&IsVirtualParent=1]Enermax T.B. Vegas Trio 120mm Fan x3[/url]
These will go on top of the case with the AX360 radiator. Not only will this put them into a prime location to show off the LEDs their lower airflow compared to the other fans I'll be using are better for cooling with the AX radiator. Although they are 4-pin PWM fans, they come with an included adapter so there will be no issues with the fan controller (besides LED intensity :( )

Scythe]http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=037605]Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120mm Case Fan x2[/url]
THE best fan ever made for cooling according to all the reviews and talk I've seen on this fan. I had to have them for myself. These will be used with the RX240 radiator, their high airflow is perfect for its design for maximum cooling. They use 3-pin connectors.

Coolermaster]http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103081]Coolermaster 80x15mm Case Fan[/url]
I needed an 80x15mm case fan for the heatsink on the pump. It was either this or an Evercool. This had better reviews in terms of noise and make.

Other: Cables
Bitfenix]http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13977/cab-493/Bitfenix_Alchemy_Multisleeve_3-Pin_to_3x_3-Pin_Y_Cable_Splitter_-_60cm_-_Black_BFA-MSC-3F33F60KK-RP.html?tl=g2c537s1527]Bitfenix 3-pin to 3x3-pin Y-Splitter x2[/url]
I'll need these to connect multiple fans to individual channels on my fan connector.


In case all that was hard to follow and make sense of (I'm sure it was!), here's a direct list of questions I'd like to get answers/help on at the moment, this list will probably change as questions get answered and further questions arise.

The List of Questions So Far:

[strike]1. Is it necessary to have two loops if you run SLI and have the processor I've selected?
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[strike]2. Which sized radiator(s) would I need in order to properly cool the water for the number of loops answer to Q1.?
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[strike]3. Is EK a good brand to work with? I've heard they make quality stuff but how's their customer service?[/strike]

[strike]4. Does the UV light in the Liquid Fusion V reservoir do anything besides being for show? Is there any other information someone can give me on this because after searching for almost a week I still can't come up with much for it besides what is said on product pages.
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[strike]5. Is the pump I've selected powerful enough to push the water quickly enough to properly cool the components in the cooling loop(s) -provided with a proper radiator.
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[strike]6. Are the components I've selected usable for a purely distilled water setup? If they are not please let me know.
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[strike]7. With what I plan on running through my loop(s), what volume of a reservoir should I be looking for so I don't have to be filling it up frequently.[/strike]

[strike]8. I've been seeing recently now that i delve into radiators that the Cosmos II isn't that great for actually housing them... is is possible to put an airplex Revolution somewhere in there without extensive modding?[/strike]

[strike]9. What is exactly "push" "pull" configuration for radiators?[/strike]

10. Any feedback on the actual hardware components I've posted so far if you think it's something I should know or if you'd recommend something else and for what reason(s).

[strike]11. I need around 850-900 of wattage dispersal for my setup. With the Cosmos II I can only fit an EX series radiator because of approximately 25mm of clearance so is there a fan that would be able to provide the necessary airflow and be around 20db or lower that could do that? Or a brand of fans?[/strike]

[strike]12. Is the Scythe Gentle Typhoon as good as of a fan as I've been seeing it is in my research? Personal experience would be needed to answer this.[/strike]

[strike]13. Any feedback and opinions on the HAF X from people who have used it for a full watercooling setup.
eg. space for radiators, how well organised the interior is, airflow.[/strike]

[strike]14. How much effect does airflow from the fan have on the radiator dissipation? When we measure the dissipation, is the airflow of the fan directly related to the fans rpm so if we were to calculate the airflow, we could replace our numbers with that instead of rpm on our radiator performance graphs?[/strike]

14. If a build that has a eVGA SR-2 motherboard has about 30mm clearance from the top of the motherboard to the roof of the chassis for radiators. If its dimensions are:15"H x 13.6"W whereas my motheroboard is only 12"H x 10.7"W then how much more clearance am I looking at between the roof and the motherboard?

Edit2: All the links should be clickable now (thanks rubix!) and should lead to the correct page.


Thanks so much guys!
 

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Funny you should mention that. The 3930k was my second choice for both performance and price.

I didn't put it up because as far as I know it can't be overclocked. I guess I'm wrong, no problem in that. I am forsure in the market for a six-core processor though.

Thanks for the feedback. OP updated.
 

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Hurray an answer from rubix!

The reason I'm asking if I need two loops is because I know that together with the GPUs and CPUs, running them together in the same loop will result in the water being rather warm/hot by the time it reaches the components at the end of the loop.

From many posts I've seen in my research, it looks like a good idea is to have two stand alone loops which is why I asked if this was necessary in my post.

So I guess I'll rephrase my questions (I'll update/add them in the OP aswell)

1. Is it necessary to have two loops if you run SLI and have the processor I've selected?

2. Which sized radiator(s) would I need in order to properly cool the water for the number of loops answer to Q1.?

3. Is EK a good brand to work with? I've heard they make quality stuff but how's their customer service?

4. Does the UV light in the Liquid Fusion V reservoir do anything besides being for show? Is there any other information someone can give me on this because after searching for almost a week I still can't come up with much for it besides what is said on product pages.

5. Is the pump I've selected powerful enough to push the water quickly enough to properly cool the components in the cooling loop(s) -provided with a proper radiator.

6. Are the components I've selected usable for a purely distilled water setup? If they are not please let me know.

7. With what I plan on running through my loop(s), what volume of a reservoir should I be looking for so I don't have to be filling it up frequently.

8. Any feedback on the actual hardware components I've posted so far if you think it's something I should know or if you'd recommend something else and for what reason(s).

This will probably change/be updated as questions are answered and further arise. Aslong as that's okay for me to keep asking questons.

Thanks for everything.
 

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You can easily run a single loop- the water isn't going to be warm like you think as long as you plan your loop delta accordingly. A 10C delta means that the water temp stays within 10 degrees Celsius over ambient room temperature when all components are at 100% operating threshold. The more radiator space you have, the better your delta, but delta also accounts for flow rate and fans used on the radiators. Flow rates of 0.75-1.5gpm are optimal for a good delta and as you increase airflow volume over radiators, your delta improves as well.

MCP35x is a very good pump and goes toe-to-toe with the D5 or MCP655 pump. Both offer very good flow and good head pressure. I run a single D5 with a CPU block, 2 GPU blocks, 2 3x120 radiators and a small reservoir...all through around 9 feet of tubing and still get good flow.

1. Are you overclocking CPU or video cards? Regardless, you need to account for the amount of watts being produced at 100% load, or TDP. You can often take the actual listed (or calculated TDP) of a hardware component and assume that 15% of the power drawn will not be expelled as heat waste. I often estimate around 85-90% of calculated TDP will be my 'guesstimate' of loop heat output in watts. Getting more radiator space than you need is called 'over-radding' and means you just run a better delta. Over-radding is a common illness most of us watercooling guys have, you'll see.

2. Once you determine TDP of your components, its as simple as adding those up- CPU + GPU + GPU = 'X' watts Also, your pump will dump 15-20w of heat into your loop, but this is often regarded as negligible and is often accounted for in the slight percentage over-calculation of TDP in the first place.

I would only use EK copper blocks as there have been a lot of issues historically with their nickel plated blocks and their customer service nightmares that ensued. Just ask a few of the guys around here (boiler1990 had an incident that I know of specifically, listed in the sticky). Otherwise, distilled water is great, just don't forget a biocide/antimicrobial to prevent growth in your loop.

Reservoir volume doesn't really matter- more water volume means it takes longer for your loop to reach working equilibrium, but a small res vs. a bigger one is really only a matter of minutes until they both reach the same working temp.

You shouldn't have to continually refill a reservoir at all. Initially you might have to repeatedly purge air and top off the res, but once that is completed and you have a filled loop, you shouldn't have to add water. If you do, you have a leak.

Distilled water can be bought at any grocery store for around $1 gallon in the US. Other places, it's a little more difficult, but other options are available.
 

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Alright, so I'm trying to determine the Wattage dispersal I'll need for my radiators. Using the calculator you provided in one of you're stickys, I'm around 1100W (though I assume that'll be higher with the 700 series of GPUs). Looking around I'm seeing mentions of "push" and "pull" setups with "push pull" being the best. I assume this depends on the direction of fans in the radiator?

Now that I'm getting into the radiator components, I'm seeing that the Cosmos II isn't so well designed for the radiators despite its size. Would it even be possible for me to obtain the necessary watt dispersal without extensive modding of the case? Or should I just drop the Cosmos II now and look for another case? If I have to hunt around for some good fans that's fine, I'd like to keep the radiator fans leds since they'd look nice but if I have to hunt for some silent typhoons that's okay too (or whatever fans would work).

Edit: Forgot to say thanks. How rude of me!
 

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I thought so too... In the PSU calculator, my theoretical includes 2 690s SLId.

As a side note, thank you for fixing my links. It should make my post somewhat easier to follow now.
 

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Right, but in the PSU calculator it's calculating theoretical load for the entire PC, not just the components you are looking to watercool.

If you are watercooling a CPU, you only account for the TDP of the CPU. If you add GPUs, you then add the CPU TDP + GPU1 TDP + GPU2 TDP, etc.

Typical CPU only loop needs anywhere from 100-200w of cooling ability, depending on overclock and voltage used for clock speeds.

Depending on GPUs being cooled, it's easy to account for each GPU putting out 180-200w of heat at stock speeds. Flagship cards for both AMD and nVidia easily put out 250-300+ watts (single GPU PCBs and dual GPU PCBs).
 

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Ya, there we go. Using an estimate as the 690s and with an overclocked 3930k (I pulled the vcore from some other users tests around the web since I don't actually have the chip yet to do it myself), I'm coming up at around 750W as recommended. Since the 700 series will most likely require more wattage, and since that was at stock speeds, does estimating around 850-900 seem more reasonable?
 

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Yeah, but don't always assume the next gen cards will demand more power...often, new chip manufacturing processes mean more efficient cards while also more powerful. But, yes, I'd say that at least 700-800w is higher end, depending on how many video cards you will actually run.

200w (theoretical high-CPU overclock)
200w GPU 1
200w GPU 2
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600w (average, but depends on actual # GPUs used and their actual TDP)
 

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Fair enough, thanks for the confirmation.

I know I don't want to be just borderline dispersal though and lower DeltaT is always good (though I realise it's more of an exponential decline in dispersal where a rediculously expensive rad will only make a degree or so difference).

This brings me to a new dilemma. After looking at countless reviews, I'm seeings that the Cosmos II is -for all its impressive size and cooling chambers- not well setup for radiators at all. Should I look at a different case in order to do a proper watercooling setup? I'd like to stick with the Cosmos II if possible, but if I can't dissipate the wattage then I guess I'll have to.

I've seen on the Cosmos II Liquid Edition article that the XSPC EX series of radiators will fit on the top. However I have no idea what "push" and "pull" setups for radiators mean. I assume this means the direction of airflow provided by the fans though I'm not sure. So if I got an EX series, would I be able to fit standard size 120mm fans above the motherboard?
 

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If you not looking for a new case you can always just put a Rad outside of your case depending on the size and or area it may reduce flow a bit but 99% sure it wont be an issue. you may alo want to use quick disconnects on the extremal so it will be easy to clean.

Push pull is fans pushing air in one side, and pulling fans on the other- I dare to say the 99% of the time it not needed and only razes the noise of the system, however people looking for the every degree out of the system and don't care about noise then its not a big deal there also more size issues you may need to account for.

As for you case honestly I am not familer with it and even by looking at photos i cant make a good guess all the sizing have done is for a Haf x.
 

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Push/pull means a fan pushing air through one side of the radiator, a fan directly opposite on the other side, pulling the air through. Airflow in push/pull goes in one direction...in one side, out the other.

->-> [fan][rad][fan] ->->
 

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Alright well thank you thequn and rubix, that's another question answered.

Now is there a way to tell the total wattage dispersal of a radiator? I know the fans will have a large effect on its effectiveness but I deffinitely need to be able to see the capability of the radiator to be able to properly buy one. I know skinee labs has a comparison chart which is perfect... if the radiator you're looking at is on there. But I'd really like to be able to see the capabilities of an XSPC EX series.

On a side note, I think I'm equally torn now between the Cosmos II and the HAF X since the Cosmos has a solid build and looks very good while the HAF X seems to have better consideration for watercooling and radiators in particular in mind. The HAF X is also quite a bit smaller.

So hopefully someone comes along that has had some experience with the case, I'll keep searching through forum posts and the like on the internet for information on what I can and can't fit with the Cosmos II, but it's seeming like despite all its size, the HAF X might have better upgradeability in the future.
 

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Alright! That's something to go off of.

I found some charts for the RX 360 on skinee. From what I've been reading, the EX series actually performs better than the RX series at higher RPMs with the fans. At a DeltaT of 10 Degrees, and 1800RPM, the RX series can dissipate about 600 Watts.

I guess I could go with a higher rpm fan, was under the impression that the Gentle Typhoon was basically the best around. I'd deffinitely like to over rad though (I think I'm starting to see what you meant earlier :) ) for performance but mostly so that I don't have to upgrade my cooling components everytime I change a piece of hardware.
 

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Any feedback anyone can give on the HAF X would be great though. I know dimension wise they're quite a bit smaller than the Cosmos II, but how's the airflow? Is it degisned well enough you can put an ATX board inside with a full cooling setup and still have plenty of room for one/several large radiators?

I guess then if the Gentle Typhoon isn't all I've been thinking it was, could someone also suggest a good brand of fans that would be suitable for fairely think radiators? If I can't get the wattage dispersal out of the Cosmos II with the EX Series (I think you can put a radiator at the bottom of the case aswell, but I don't know how good that would be) then I'll probably get a HAF X since it looks decent and seems to have been built superior on the inside and throw in a Airplex Revolution.
 

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The Haf X mods well I really don't go for looks when making a water cooling system unless that the original goal of the system. To be fair There no computer case that's bad for water cooling even them Tiny Mini ATX cases have some awesomely deigned loops. on the other hand you want to be practical and use up the available space or even use a Rad box or external rad, as for Easy there room for a 3x120/3x140/2x180/2x200 on top the 200/180 will require a little fine tuning to fit. A 140 on the back/ 180/200 on the window 180/200 can fit in front easy if you take off the front plate of the case. There are many other places you can fits mods to make room for rads. Your really only limited by you imagination.

All rads I use are 30mm to safe space and less required mods