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February 9, 2010 12:21:34 AM

Hi,

Thank you for your interest. You don't have to read all my comments to leave a post. Just the Bold and Blue. For parts with more than one choice the first part listed is my first choice and the second is my second choice etc. I am deciding between an Intel or an AMD computer. Thats really all you need to know.

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor $199.99
AMD Athlon II X4 630 Propus 2.8GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor $101.99

Motherboard: BIOSTAR TP55 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX $119.99
ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX $79.99

Thinking the Biostar P55 with the Intel i5 750, or the ASUS 770 for the AMD 630 Propus...Not sure if that is a must or not.

GPU:
DirectX 10 (nVidia)
BIOSTAR VN2503SH52 GeForce GTS 250 512MB 256-bit DDR3 $109.99
PNY VCGGTX260CXPB GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 $189.99
DirectX 11 (ATI)
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100284VXL Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 $144.99
SAPPHIRE 100284L Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 $129.99
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 $174.99
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 $179.99
SAPPHIRE 100270SR Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR3 $219.99

Why is the Vapor-X 5770 $5 less than the other 5770 Sapphire card, unlike the 5750 version in which the Vapor-X is more expensive? I would have thought that the Vapor-X would be more expensive, if the only difference is a better cooling design on the Vapor-X.

Anyway, I think I would like to base my CPU decision off of which GPU I choose. So, if I chose nVidia, I think I would prefer to go with Intel, or if I ended up getting an ATI I would go with AMD. I am leaning towards nVidia and Intel for a few reasons. I have heard that nVidia works better for playing the MMO game WoW which is what I would be using the computer for most. Secondly, the computer performance will be better and the amount of watts it will use will be less with the i5 rather than the 630. Therefore, the i5 will save me time, money, and energy. Also, I could wait to upgrade to a better nVidia card that uses DirectX 11 when they are finally available. Whereas, Saving money in the initial purchase is the only benefit I could see coming out of choosing AMD and ATI for me.

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) $108.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $104.99

The first one is blue and has 1 less latency for just $4 more, and I like the color blue more. If I get a clear case I would definetly like to use the blue one. Just wondering if that is ok; those sticks are basically the same, correct?

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS $54.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible $169.99 (combo with Samsung HDD)

I believe I shouldn't need more than the 400 W Corsair. PSU calculator came up with about 260 W. I would like to use as little power as possible, but I know the PSU is important and more power is safer. I could always upgrade it if I have to.

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" $54.99 (combo with Corsair 450 W PSU)

Even though I've had a few Samsung TVs that broke after a year or two, its cheaper than the Western Digital Caviar.

CD/DVD Drive: LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW SATA $26.99

Case: LOGISYS Computer CS888CL Transparent Clear Acrylic ATX Mid Tower $65.99
NZXT LEXA S LEXS - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower $79.99
Sunbeam UFO ACUF-T Transparent Clear Acrylic ATX Cube $79.99

The clear cases look awesome, but all the reviews say that dust likes to hang out on acrylic. I need some advice with this decision.

Monitor: ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ HDCP Support 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 5000:1) Built in Speakers $164.99

Surge Protector: BELKIN BP112230-08 8 Feet 12 Outlets 4320 Joules Pivot-Plug $34.99

Heatsink: ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic $36.98

I should not need a heatsink that much with this build even if I overclock it, or would it be worth buying?

Speakers: LOGISYS Computer SP6006CL 40 Watts RMS 2.1 Multimedia Clear Speakers w/Blue LEDs $68.99

Well, that should be it, except for an $80 pair of glasses :sol:  , so my eyes don't burn out from too much WoW or from staring at all the LED lights in the computer.

These totals are with the cheapest GPU listed, the 400 W PSU, and the Logisys case. Also, I am not factoring in about $350 by excluding the glasses, the monitor, the speakers, the surge protector, and the heatsink.

My Intel/nVidia Total: $846.91
My AMD/ATI Total: $728.91

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February 9, 2010 1:19:02 AM
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i think your slightly mistaken...why buy an amd athlon x4 630, when you should be buying an amd phenom 2 x4 955? if you are willing to spend 200$ on the i5, why not spend the 160$ on the phenom? second, never even contemplate touching a biostar mobo, if your lucky it will only blow up half your system instead of the whole thing :lol:  . third, go with ati. ati is destroying nvidia right now, and idk why its cheaper, but i would get it anyway, the 5770 vapor x that is. on the mobo subject again, why so cheap for amd? if your going to compare the 2 might as well put them on an even playing field and get the phenom atleast a 785g, but preferable 790x chipset mobo. not quite understanding where you are coming from with less watts (they both use the same) translating into better performance. the i5 might save time, it def will not save money, it is obviously more expensive, and if you pair it with nvidia it will not save energy, it will actually use more energy. now onto your build that you suggested:

Memory: ok, but there are better and cheaper

PSU: hahaha putting a 400 watt psu into that system isnt the smartest thing to do, you should atleast have 500, and 750 if you ever intend to crossfire.

HDD: good choice

CASE: logisys make bad case, and sunbeam make bad case, so you should buy from a better company, like antec, TT, or even azza.

MONITOR: not too bad

HEATSINK: no, get the hyper 212 instead

now that ive shown you why you are mistaken, i will show you a build i came up with:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

final price is 1059.88, and that includes os, speakers, monitor, and heat sink... hope this super long reply helps :) 
February 9, 2010 1:30:46 AM

Also, I have a hard time believing a 5750 wouldn't eat WoW for breakfast.
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February 9, 2010 1:31:57 AM

ares1214 said:
i think your slightly mistaken...why buy an amd athlon x4 630, when you should be buying an amd phenom 2 x4 955? if you are willing to spend 200$ on the i5, why not spend the 160$ on the phenom? second, never even contemplate touching a biostar mobo, if your lucky it will only blow up half your system instead of the whole thing :lol:  . third, go with ati. ati is destroying nvidia right now, and idk why its cheaper, but i would get it anyway, the 5770 vapor x that is. on the mobo subject again, why so cheap for amd? if your going to compare the 2 might as well put them on an even playing field and get the phenom atleast a 785g, but preferable 790x chipset mobo. not quite understanding where you are coming from with less watts (they both use the same) translating into better performance. the i5 might save time, it def will not save money, it is obviously more expensive, and if you pair it with nvidia it will not save energy, it will actually use more energy. now onto your build that you suggested:

Memory: ok, but there are better and cheaper

PSU: hahaha putting a 400 watt psu into that system isnt the smartest thing to do, you should atleast have 500, and 750 if you ever intend to crossfire.

HDD: good choice

CASE: logisys make bad case, and sunbeam make bad case, so you should buy from a better company, like antec, TT, or even azza.

MONITOR: not too bad

HEATSINK: no, get the hyper 212 instead

now that ive shown you why you are mistaken, i will show you a build i came up with:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

final price is 1059.88, and that includes os, speakers, monitor, and heat sink... hope this super long reply helps :) 


not meaning to hijack the thread but what is a good brand for motherboards? mATX preferably
February 9, 2010 1:38:24 AM

@soulbro, lol yeah theres a reason WoW isnt in many benchmarks, cards like the 5670 can max that out :lol: 

@weedface, it depends for intel or amd, for intel its asus, evga, and gigabyte, for amd its msi, asus, and gigabyte. for amd some good ones are:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

those are all micro atx, amd, and very good...
February 9, 2010 5:00:20 PM

Ok, i'll go with your advice, ares1214, on most of your build. Here is what I am still thinking about...

For the CPU...
This is why the Intel will save me in everything in the long run...

CPU Benchmark

No Phenom 945 to compare to, but the i5 still beats the Phenom 955 and 965 BE in just about every test that's there.

For the GPU...
I did find out that the GTS does use a lot more power than both the 5750 and 5770. Also, the ATI cards come with DirectX 11. So, the 5750 Vapor-X would be my first choice if I can be convinced to go with ATI. Yet, I still believe nVidia has better benchmarks for WoW and most MMO games.

Contemporary Mainstream Graphics Cards in Popular MMORPG

This benchmark does not show the 5750 or 5770, but it does show the GTX and GTS would do me well. By the way, what does AF 16x and FSAA mean (I know it has to do with resolution)? Is it true that the nVidia cards use more power because they do not go idle as much. If so, I would have to tamper with the ATI card to get it to keep up in fps probably, and that would be a pain because that is over my head for now. So, could I get a Biostar GPU (the 250), or should I get the PNY GTX 260?

Obviously, I still feel the i5 750 and the GTS 250 or GTX 260 would be better for me. Also, I do not plan to crossfire or use SLI, so maybe the 450 or 500 W PSU will do. The Corsair 450 W comes in a combo with the Samsung HDD, but in my last thread someone told me I wouldn't need more than the 400 W (however, that was towards the beginning of the thread where I had a few cheaper things). Lastly, I like the LED speakers more, I hope the 23" monitor will fit through the door (only $25 more for 1920 x 1080, that looks nice), my CD/DVD drive got 5 stars and the Sony one has none, and the NZXT is really sleak. I'll go with the case and CD/DVD drive in ares1214's build if they are truly better than the NZXT case and LITE-ON drive in my build.
February 9, 2010 7:16:43 PM

lol haha thats not taking too much of my advice :lol:  but here, i will attempt to explain it a little better. the intel cpu is better in most or all synthetics, but for say the interntet, the amd would probs be faster since it has a faster clock. i have a 955 right now, and i have....34 internet pages up, 1 online game, 1 computer game, 2 power points, 4 msoft words, and 3 calculators and much more, and it is maxing at about 20%...the highest i have ever got this thing in a real world application was when i had every game i had running, around 50 internet pages, and all programs in vista, and this thing maxed at 65% usage...so yea, these things are both crazy in real world computing. in gaming however, the 2 are even, or the amd is better...most people think they need some amazing cpu for everything, but games are about 65% gpu dependent 15% cpu, 15% ram, and 5% hdd (those are all estimates). for example, put an athlon x4 620 with a 5870, and in games you will likely do the same as if you had an i7 and a 5870, since the gpu bottlenecks the cpu is most games. so yes, the i5 is faster for synthetics, but unless you are doing video editing, you wont notice the difference. what you will notice is that there isnt an extra 100$ hole burned in your pocket, for performance you will likely not notice, or need. also, it actually costs money in the long time...get the i5 750, and you are likely getting about as good a cpu as you can get for 1156, for atleast 3-5 years, possbily forever. this is because 1156 will not support 6-core cpus, and will likely not get much better at all. am3 on the other hand will support 6-core cpus, will get better, and will support am3+, which will likely support 8-core cpus. this means in 4 years, when you computer starts to get a lil sluggish, with the i5, you will have to buy an entirely new system, but with am3, you just get a better vid card, and put a 6-core cpu in there. instead of buying a new mobo, new cpu, new ram, and new vid card, you just have to buy a new cpu and vid card, saving you money. about the video card, heres a benchmark or 4 to show you that the 5770 beats the 260:

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,697202/Ati-Radeon-HD...

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,697202/Ati-Radeon-HD...

i would show you more benchmarks, but most say ati 5770 win, and a lot say its a tie. but...the 5770 uses less power, has dx11, and is new, so when it gets more driver updates, it will beat the 260 even more, and probably the 4890 too. i dont realize why you wouldnt use more of my build, the mobo is better, monitor is better, case is way better, psu is better, and crossfire capable, dvd drive is better, ram is better, heat sink is better...and its cheaper...but you are welcome to explain
February 9, 2010 10:38:27 PM

I said I was going to go with all your advice. At the end I mentioned just a couple things that I was questioning. One part was the speakers, because mine light up. Then, I was wondering about the case and the CD/DVD drive. I just liked the design of the NZXT case. But, if you say the Antec case and the Sony drive are way better, I'll take your word for it. Last was the PSU. I'm still not sure whether I will need more than 500 W or not. Everything else looks great, and you just about convinced me to go with AMD and ATI, too. A couple things I forgot to mention are...

This scary thing I found about the 5770...

Low FPS in WoW *Radeon HD 5770*

This...
WoW Optimizations
quote from this^ forum "Actually these are 8.70.x drivers, where 10.1 is 8.69.x. So these would be closer to 10.2."
Reading this quote made me wonder if I should still follow all of these instructions with DirectX 11.

Also, On the link about the 5770 you put up (ares1214) it says "On the HD 5750 one of the SIMDs is deactivated and thus the number of shaders is reduced to 720 and the chip frequency has been reduced from 850 to 725 MHz." Would that mean the 5750 is not as good of a choice? Should I go with the Vapor-X if you still think I should go with AMD and ATI?

As you can see I have had many people try to scare me away from ATI. They may mean well, though, since there is a bunch of threads out there about problems with ATI cards in WoW. Yet, the benchmarks from that link you put up are somewhat comforting. Those people that have the problems might just have defected cards. Hope that doesn't happen to me.
February 9, 2010 11:28:02 PM

lol, o sorry about that :lol:  the speakers that you suggested dont look too quality, so i recommended the logitech instead. the case is better than the nzxt, but the nzxt is pretty good too. but if you wanna splurge a bit, i SUPER MEGA HIGHLY RECOMMEND the nzxt tempest evo, best mid tower case i have ever worked in. the drive is better because it has light scribe support, and faster speeds, but that really doesnt matter too much. my psu allows you to xfire, and gives lots of extra headroom. it is also super efficient and its modular, so it might be a good idea. idk about the 5770 in WoW, as i dont have a 5770 and havent played wow in a while, but those problems look either fixable, already solved, or user/hardware error, not something you should really be concerned about. when WoW xxxxxx comes out it will likely use dx11, and will be optimized for ati, so you will also see mucxh better performance in the long run. i didnt recommend the 5750, as i put the 5770 in my build. the price diff between the two isnt enough to constitute the diff in performance...hope all these obnoxiously long posts have helped :D 
February 10, 2010 12:56:21 AM

O, yea. Should I get the 5770 Vapor-X or go with the combo. And if I am not xfiring or SLIing what Watt PSU should I get?

I like music, I play guitar, but I can't pass up speakers that light up. Maybe I'll buy better speakers another day.

Yea, I guess I'll make my dad splurge on the tempest evo case, he's buyin the stuff haha. Sucks to be him.
February 10, 2010 1:46:40 AM

lol haha, well then yea, i would get the evo... maybe an i7 or ssd :lol:  jk. i would get the one linked in the combo, and if you arent xfiring, then i would get this combo instead of the hdd+ocz 700

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

high quality psu, with same dvd burner at a great price...
February 10, 2010 3:00:59 PM

Are you sure I need the 550 W PSU. I thought w/o xfiring I could get away with the 450 W with this combo. Or, maybe this cheap one, but if you think I have to get 550 W to be safe, I guess I could live with that decision.
February 10, 2010 3:57:21 PM

definitely not the cheap one, but yes, you could get away with that 450 watt one, but if the video card recommends a minimum of 400 watts for its system, it is much better safe then sorry , since if you want to oc, add lights, add fans, do a raid set up, get a better video card, or reuse it later...then with the 550 you will be safe and better...and it doesnt cost much more, just 20$, and psus is not something you want to skip on.
February 10, 2010 4:06:16 PM

K well, I plan to replace the PSU anyway if I upgrade stuff because of capacitor aging. I don't plan on setting up a raid, adding anymore fans besides the heatsink, or adding lights in a black case. By the way, If I don't overclock to start out, do I really need the heatsink until I do?
February 10, 2010 4:16:21 PM

o, well then even though i recommend the 550, it would be safe to get the 450. and no, the stock heatsink is meant to keep the cpu cool with little to no oc'ing, so with the i7, you could probs get up to atleast 2.9, although i havent used intels heatsinks in a longggg time. once you wanna upgrade, get the hyper 212, cooler and quieter than stock.
February 10, 2010 4:32:39 PM

i7 up to 2.9 GHz oced, you mean? I thought I was getting the Phenom 945, and I don't really think I will need to oc. I don't want to produce all that heat, use up more energy, and wear out the computer. About the heatsink being quieter... Does that mean that it would be able to replace all six fans?
February 10, 2010 8:19:48 PM

lolol o sorry wrong thought, yea the 945 up to about 3.3. and oc'ing doesnt necessarily wear out your computer, or atleast not conclusively proven. and with a better heat sink it produce too much heat. what exactly do you mean be replace all six fans?
February 10, 2010 8:42:04 PM

I mean that... How would putting in a heatsink make it quieter unless all of the fans that are louder are taken out?

But ocing does use more energy. About how many more Vs would that be?
February 10, 2010 8:59:10 PM

well, normally the heat sink is the noisiest fan in the computer, its so small it has to go at 4x+ the rpm of case fans, making tons of noise, especially with the stock ones. so it would be quieter. oc'ing does use more energy, and by Vs i assume you mean volts, and its typically less than 1 if you are talking cpu, normally less than .5, or .25
February 10, 2010 9:18:34 PM

Huh, that's interesting that the voltage difference is hardly anything when ocing produces so much more heat. I would have thought that meant a lot more power was being used. I guess I could end up overclocking it a little if I need to. I'd have to read up on how to do that first though. I still have to read and watch a bunch of stuff before I even attempt to build it though.

Thanks for all your help I'll pick a best answer and put up my new build.

I'm going to do one more thread on this new build to see if I get any other comments, but I think I will end up going with the stuff here.
February 10, 2010 9:41:50 PM
February 10, 2010 9:55:09 PM

well...getting a complete build for 700$ isnt to easy, done it plenty of times, but they were anything but gaming builds...its actually a GREAT price for what you are getting, and if you can only spend 700$ for a gaming build, i would save up for atleast until you are up to 1200$.
February 10, 2010 10:08:06 PM

If you want a 700 dollar build go with an AMD Phenom II X3 720 and a 5770. The rest of the components wont be that expensive if you watch it. Also, a good 790x motherboard is only about 100 bucks.
February 10, 2010 10:11:20 PM

Best answer selected by Mr Subs.
February 10, 2010 10:17:45 PM

AMD Phenom II X3 720 = 105.00
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD = 120.00
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 = 160.00
A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 = 98.00
DVDRW Drive = 25.00
Western Digital Caviar Black 500 GB = 70.00

Total so far : 578.00

This leaves 122 bucks of room for a PSU and Case
February 10, 2010 10:21:29 PM

for one. not too great of ram, and get the f3 instead, and yes, getting the x3 will save him 40$, but its better to get full quads anyway.
February 10, 2010 10:35:58 PM

ares1214 said:
for one. not too great of ram, and get the f3 instead, and yes, getting the x3 will save him 40$, but its better to get full quads anyway.


Do not get OCZ Obsidian ram. Its some of the worst ram out there. Too many people are getting BSODs, me being one of them. Its problems stem from shoddy manufacturing and misleading speed ratings.

I purchased a Samsung spinpoint and it was DOA. I didnt give it a second chance because of my experience with WD. I have never had a DOA Western Digital in personal hard drives or hard drives at work. I have witnessed a couple DOA Maxtors (I dont believe the exist anymore), as well as Seagate's at work, but not a single WD yet, knock on wood. I did have a old WD raptor go bad after several years, but I think it was a cooling issue.

I agree that Quads are better, but a Phenom II X3 is all you need for gaming as the higher clock is good. AMD cpu's are such a good value anyway that you could easily afford a X4 non-black edition for 20 bucks more.
February 10, 2010 10:43:05 PM

1. its not obsidian ram, and that exact ram i have had great experience with, and i have used it in a couple builds, not a single problem, and performs better than expected.

2.lol good luck recommending against an f3...you may have gotten a different spin point, or you were just super unlucky, but the f3 is the fastest, coolest, safest, and one of the cheapest 500 Gb hdds out there.

3.i agree, but the 945 has a higher clock speed than the 720, 3.0> 2.8. and the statement following isnt making sense :heink: 
February 10, 2010 10:50:41 PM

ares1214 said:
1. its not obsidian ram, and that exact ram i have had great experience with, and i have used it in a couple builds, not a single problem, and performs better than expected.

2.lol good luck recommending against an f3...you may have gotten a different spin point, or you were just super unlucky, but the f3 is the fastest, coolest, safest, and one of the cheapest 500 Gb hdds out there.

3.i agree, but the 945 has a higher clock speed than the 720, 3.0> 2.8. and the statement following isnt making sense :heink: 


1. look at the reviews on the Obsidian ram on Newegg. It doesn't clock up to 1600 mhz stably, and many are defective. I had the EXACT same problems most people are describing with it in forums as well as on Newegg. I switched to Corsair and I have yet to experience any similar issues.

2. The Samsung I bought was the f3. It was an OEM and it did not function at all. I do not have much experience with Samsung, so I may have just got unlucky.

3. Basically I am saying that going Quad core is not that much more expensive, but all he really needs is a X3. Saving 20 bucks on each component adds up.
February 10, 2010 10:54:14 PM

1. im saying the ram i recommended isnt obsidian, and it isnt even 1600 MHz...also, sure they help, but reviews on newegg say nothing.

2.yeah, you def got unlucky. the f3 is the fastest, safest, quietest, and coolest conventional drive basically...

3. ooo, well hes only saving it on 1, so he might as well spend a bit more for the faster quad...
February 11, 2010 12:51:34 AM

I am willing to test my luck with the samsung, or is it worth spending the extra $15 on the Western Digital Caviar Black. Then, it is also a little more because the samsung comes in a combo.

I do like the blue G Skill Ripjaws because they look really cool, but the OCZ ram comes in a combo. I don't know anything about that stuff, or why you two are arguing about it.

I like the CPU choice as of right now (X4), too.

I think I'm good. I started a new thread to make sure everything is good.
February 11, 2010 12:53:38 AM

lol, thats the thing, that WD drive isnt as good as the f3, so no it isnt worth spending the extra 15$. that ram is very good, but the best part is that its 40$ cheaper than most ram sets (after mir).
February 11, 2010 12:57:17 AM

k thanks a lot for your help.
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