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February 11, 2010 9:19:44 PM

Hi

I have not built a system in a while and putting am putting this one together now. I am really interested in if I am going in the right direction and if there is anything that might be missing in what I am looking to order. I am looking to put together a workhorse rig that can handle games (wow and such) and work related (images, large spreadsheets, web programming). This is the build I am looking to put together.

Motherboard - Intel DP55KG

Ram - OCZ 6 gig of RAM (Would the Corsair Dominator be better?)

CPU Cooler - ZALMAN 9500A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler

Case - Cool Master HAF case or (Favorite) Antec Twelve Hundred

PS - CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3

HD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB or SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB

DVD - Samsung DVD\Writer

Video Card - Now this is where I am having some issue, I am thinking of
HIS H585F1GDG Radeon HD 5850 OR
Two Radeon HD 4890 cards in CrossFire OR
Two GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 in SLI

Monitor - Two ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms or the 24" inch ones

Any thoughts on which would be best bang for your buck

I know I also need thermal compound but not sure if I should get SATA extension, etc.. I am also concerned about cooling and am wondering if what is currently in the case is sufficient, Your help is greatly appreciated, Thanks :bounce: 

Ralph

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February 11, 2010 9:22:07 PM

RMucerino said:
Hi

I have not built a system in a while and putting am putting this one together now. I am really interested in if I am going in the right direction and if there is anything that might be missing in what I am looking to order. I am looking to put together a workhorse rig that can handle games (wow and such) and work related (images, large spreadsheets, web programming). This is the build I am looking to put together.

Motherboard - Intel DP55KG

Ram - OCZ 6 gig of RAM (Would the Corsair Dominator be better?)

CPU Cooler - ZALMAN 9500A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler

Case - Cool Master HAF case or (Favorite) Antec Twelve Hundred

PS - CORSAIR CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3

HD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB or SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB

DVD - Samsung DVD\Writer

Video Card - Now this is where I am having some issue, I am thinking of
HIS H585F1GDG Radeon HD 5850 OR
Two Radeon HD 4890 cards in CrossFire OR
Two GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 in SLI

Monitor - Two ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms or the 24" inch ones

Any thoughts on which would be best bang for your buck

I know I also need thermal compound but not sure if I should get SATA extension, etc.. I am also concerned about cooling and am wondering if what is currently in the case is sufficient, Your help is greatly appreciated, Thanks :bounce: 

Ralph



The CPU which I inadvertently forgot is a Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
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February 11, 2010 9:31:08 PM

Staw away from the gtx 260s. Better off with 4890s at same price. Also consider i5-750 and a p55 mobo and 4gb of ram. Get the 1200.
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February 11, 2010 9:31:42 PM

first, ill point you in the right direction. the 1156 socket (i7 860) is meant for dual channel memory, not triple (thats i7 920), so you would get 2x2gig packs instead of 3x2gig packs, next, i would recommend against the 860...if you are willing to spend that much, you might as well get the i7 920, but by the looks of your needs, it doesnt look like you need an i7, so the best option would be a i5 750, or the am3 955 if you are really into future proofing. unless you plan on xfiring or sli-ing, you dont need 850 watt corsair psu, a 550-750 would be good, (550 for no xfire, 750 for it). also, the f3 is the best conventional hdd out now, so definitely go with that. i would give you a better build , but idk if you can buy from newegg, if you need an os, or what your budget is...if i had those, i could easily give you a cheaper, better build, also a bit more compatible :D 
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February 11, 2010 9:33:36 PM

Also get an 850 watt PSU, the price diffrence is a mere 20$, and you can reuse it with ur next build.
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February 11, 2010 9:39:15 PM

its a waste...750 can easily handle xfire, especially if its a quality corsair/antec/silverstone/ocz. the extra 100 wont help with too much at all, and what do you mean 20$ more????? neither of us have stated any psu, so it could be 50 or 100$ more...
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February 11, 2010 9:44:19 PM

Thanks fellas I appreciate the input.

My budget is approximately $1600 give or take 100 or two.

I was thinking of the 4890's but I am concerned about the heat .

My goal is the crossfire or SLI depending on the cost (hence the one 5850, it is a bit pricey).

I have read about the i5 and heard good things, it is better bang for your buck?

heh I remember newegg when they had the store fronts sure I can go there

Thanks again
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February 11, 2010 9:45:55 PM

I saw what you guys mentioned about the PSU's is PC Power & Cooling a viable company too? :ange: 
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February 11, 2010 9:47:33 PM

Yes, PC Power & Cooling makes excellent PSU's.
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February 11, 2010 9:52:18 PM

Yeh, for Low/Mid end builds i5 is s good choice. But it looks like you might be best of with 2 4890s, a 955 x4, and a nice am3 build to remove all p55 realted xfire bottlecks. (4% prefomance loss)
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February 11, 2010 9:55:04 PM

I'm sorry have been out of the loop a bit what is a 955 X4 and AM3? :o 
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February 11, 2010 9:56:31 PM

both of them are weak on the amps...18A is not good at all, and both have that...and TT makes decent psus, but they arent quite the best...heres the one i would recommend:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

one of the best psus i have ever used...and its plenty of wattage and amps.

@RMucerino, the 4890 isnt that bad with the heat, i have 2, but in any event i would recommend the 5850...equivalent to 2 or 1.75 5770s, but it leaves you upgrade path open. not to mention its better to get 1 card, than 2 inferior ones. and yes, the i5 is best bang for your buck at your budget. heres a good build:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

final price is 1102.91$, leaving about 400-500$ for your dual monitor madness...although, i would recommend against 2 monitors with a 5850, and i would only get 1 good monitor (250ish) and instead spend the rest on a second 5850, or a good ssd, like these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

that would be much better, but this is a very flexible build, still condusive to your wants if you want dual monitors.
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February 11, 2010 9:56:58 PM

With regards to an I5, that would be the I5-750?
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February 11, 2010 10:00:27 PM

Uh, the 995 x4 is a $ 160 quad core chip from AMD, it competes with the i5-750. generaly speaking, you are better off with it for xfire builds to the 4% loss of preformance that the p55 loses in xfire. Nice combo here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

EDIT: Ignore his psu, mine are better.
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February 11, 2010 10:02:20 PM

Thanks again, I have been feeling like I have been in a fishbowl thinking about this. Ares, the SSD in the configuration you mentioned would be a primary drive, the secondary would be the other? What single monitor would you recommend with a 5850? Thanks
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February 11, 2010 10:02:30 PM

the 955 is a quad core cpu from amd, it is cheaper than the intel, but not as fast, except for in gaming, there it is equal. it over clocks like crazy, believe me i have one. here it is:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

lol, it was about 100$ more when i bought it :( 

@builderbob, that 4% performance loss is only when the pci lanes drop to x8, which is only when you use a gigabyte board with usb 3.0 and sata 6. if all of those are met, 4% is very insignificant, and it also depends on the card. as you would notice in my build, it uses an asus board with usb 3 and sata 6, so not perfromance loss, although i dont think both are running at x16, so :o  uhh o, 2% performance loss (maybe) and unless you get an amd 790fx board (cost about 175$) you will have the same problem...
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February 11, 2010 10:04:01 PM

No you don't. He should go with the AM3 build for xfire. If he wants a 5850, he should go ahead and use i5-750.
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February 11, 2010 10:06:05 PM

ares1214 is right, AMD AM3 790GX and 790X motherboards also run their PCI-E 16x slots at 8x speeds in Crossfire. The only AMD boards that run true 16x speeds in Crossfire are the expensive 790FX boards. Check the board specs if you don't believe me.
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February 11, 2010 10:06:29 PM

Let me throw this out there if I do go with lets say two 5850's then the Intel is better? I'm trying to look at this from all angles I have a tendency to over analyze and do some fence sitting
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February 11, 2010 10:06:53 PM

you realize that the "4%" performance decrease is from the lanes running at x8 instead of x16...so yea, if he gets a am3 board with 2 slots at x8 (97% of them) then you would have the same "4%" performance loss.
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February 11, 2010 10:07:52 PM

Yup, +1 to ares1214 again! That 700W OCZ PSU and the 850W Thermaltake PSU are only average PSU's. The 80+ Silver rated Silverstone PSU is about as good as it gets.
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February 11, 2010 10:09:08 PM

@rmucerino, the i5is a better choice in general, with a few exceptions, but yes, for 2x 5850s, the i5 would better...
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February 11, 2010 10:09:13 PM

No, what the hell are you talking about? Why on earth would he get a am3 running at x8? He's going to get an am3 running Pcie 2.0, x16-x16 xfire.
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February 11, 2010 10:10:25 PM

builderbobftw said:
No, what the hell are you talking about? Why on earth would he get a am3 running at x8? He's going to get an am3 running Pcie 2.0, x16-x16 xfire.

That would require an expensive 790FX motherboard.
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February 11, 2010 10:14:21 PM

@builder...you need to get your facts straight...and just like you can spend 80 extra dollars to get a fx board, i could too, but the fact is that its a waste for at best 4% loss in performance
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February 11, 2010 10:18:42 PM

ares1214 said:
both of them are weak on the amps...18A is not good at all, and both have that...and TT makes decent psus, but they arent quite the best...heres the one i would recommend:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

one of the best psus i have ever used...and its plenty of wattage and amps.

@RMucerino, the 4890 isnt that bad with the heat, i have 2, but in any event i would recommend the 5850...equivalent to 2 or 1.75 5770s, but it leaves you upgrade path open. not to mention its better to get 1 card, than 2 inferior ones. and yes, the i5 is best bang for your buck at your budget. heres a good build:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

final price is 1102.91$, leaving about 400-500$ for your dual monitor madness...although, i would recommend against 2 monitors with a 5850, and i would only get 1 good monitor (250ish) and instead spend the rest on a second 5850, or a good ssd, like these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

that would be much better, but this is a very flexible build, still condusive to your wants if you want dual monitors.



Let me ask this I read a lot of good things about the Asus monitors, I am using a Samsung Sychmaster 226BW atm, what one would be a good choice in that 250 range?
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February 11, 2010 10:19:32 PM

if you get an ssd, get the second that ares1214 mentions the first one is not nearly as good, in addition you will get 20 GB more storage.

word of advice if you do end up getting an ssd make sure you leave at least 25 percent of it empty, otherwise its cells will start to burn out much much faster. not that it matters i believe intel has a 5 year replacement warranty if im remembering right thats what my SSD manual said, however if you keep it that way you should be fine for a lot longer (eliminating the hassle of sending the part to Intel and waiting for the new one).

to alleaviate the stress of storage capacity get a cheap HDD for all of your storage needs, then you can put only your OS and your faster games on your ssd, and they run blazingly fast, fallout 3 launches from my SSD in about 1 second exactly, and in game load times are nothing.

I would also recommend a 5850 unless you are trying to max out crysis or something of the sort, i would say only get one and OC it, you dont have to OC it very much either, it works very well and you can see a difference mine is at 850mhz core clock, from 725. and 1250mhz memory clock from 1000. plus one benifit is, that it has DX11 for future applications as there are not very many games that use it right now.

hope this helps :p 
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February 11, 2010 10:26:08 PM

i wouldnt worry about the 4% thing, first off, a 5850 will not even saturate the x8 bandwidth so you have nothing to worry about

By the way I agree completely with ares1214 for the motherboard as well, i have the same one the P7P55D-E PRO is great you will love it.
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February 11, 2010 10:26:21 PM

Cysis doesn't really float my boat, in all honesty I spend more time on WOW. Fallout is a great game, I have been playing it from the first. I like the 5850 a lot. :) 
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February 11, 2010 10:27:53 PM

@requiem.... that is mostly correct, except for some. i believe that you no longer need the 25% rule, since both of these ssds has TRIM support, so i dont think performance will be terribly affected if you fill it up. but still, only the things you want to run the fastest go on (os, some games, some programs). btw, both of those ssds are amazing, and the vertex is actually faster, both have trim, but the ocz has the indilinx controller, probs the best...heres a benchmark:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

the intel drive is actually the extreme edition, much faster then the 80 gig m version, so clearly the vertex turbo is faster. everything else you said is solid :) 
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February 11, 2010 10:31:21 PM

did not know that about the particular intel drive, however i didnt think they pushed the new driver for the x25 gen 2 series for TRIM yet, i know that it has support but its not incorperated in the drivers yet to the best of my knowlege.

please correct me if they have updated the drivers to include TRIM.
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February 11, 2010 10:37:43 PM

i know that the ocz does, and im 99.9% positive that the intel does...
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February 11, 2010 10:45:45 PM

I believe both of your suggestions regarding the SSD are really good I am going to look into both this weekend, I am looking to finalize the build this weekend
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February 11, 2010 10:50:07 PM

oo good, that means all the combos wont expire :D 
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February 11, 2010 11:50:23 PM

I'm hoping that they don't. I'm a bit tired of hearing with my current gear; "Hey I didn't know you could even do that with that" and the some such I will keep you fellows posted. Thanks for all of you all for your help. btw about the monitor any recommendations on a monitor other than the Asus in the 250 range? ;) 
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February 12, 2010 12:09:43 AM

well to be honest, mostt monitors are either around 200, or around 300, so if you bumped it up to around 300, then yes. there are some good acer, hanns.g, and asus monitors under/around 200, like these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (after mir, would be good for eyefinity (dual monitor))

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

then in the 300$ range, there are plenty of great ones, i especially was impressed with the acer and even more so by the LG LED monitors...
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February 12, 2010 7:56:28 PM

@ requim...hahaha i have that one, it is great, although, as i have seen both monitors, i must say that the LG is somewhat considerably better looking, but i guess its all up to opinion.
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February 12, 2010 10:20:52 PM

The LG has an LED backlit screen i would hope so ;P but for about $90-100 more. its just a cheaper alternative.

i have the monitor also, i like it :) 
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February 12, 2010 10:33:12 PM

yeah, LED makes all the monitors considerably better, although im afraid LED will just be a side note on the way to OLED. lol, OLED has a lot of competition to put up with, after seeing that LG LED at bestbuy, and playing with windows 7 with it, that was really cool...
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March 16, 2010 1:40:57 AM

I just built one with the same mobo and processor and really like it. i7-860 is a great chip. i used kingston value memory, but have just ordered OCZ XMP kits. This is a dual channel memory system, so by dimms in pairs.

Put all your eggs into one high-end video card. P55 ain't all that for SLI or crossfire.
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