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February 4, 2010 11:25:14 AM

Hey guys I recently purchased a new widescreen monitor to run games on higher resolutions but it seems that my 9800 GT can barely handle 1680x1050 or 1920x1200 without it being on low settings. When I click the "Auto" or "Use Recommended" it defaults to maxing out everything at a resolution of 1920x1200 but I get tons of artifacts on each of them including Left 4 Dead 2, Dragon Age, and Star Trek Online Beta.

MY system specs

CPU: Intel Q9550 @ 2.8 Ghz (stock)
GPU: EVGA 9800 GT 512 MB
RAM: 4 GB DDR2 1066
Motherboard: EVGA 750i SLI FTW
OS: Vista 32-bit (gonna upgrade to 7 this weekend)

I was wondering if my issue is the card itself since it used to max out games like Left 4 Dead at 1280x1024 res. and I am just pushing it too hard.

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February 4, 2010 12:14:12 PM

When you upgrade, make sure to get the 64-bit version. Your computer is not using all the ram right now because 32-bit operating systems have a limit of 4gb of addressable ram. This includes video ram, PCI, and a few other things. Your video card is definitely the weak point of the system, but it's still a beast compared to my rig.

Also update all your video drivers and use windows update. You might want to consider other updates like BIOS (pick a stable release)
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a b U Graphics card
February 4, 2010 12:22:36 PM

that card is not the most recent, but definetely should be able to run those games fine.

I have a GTS250, which is exactly the same card, and at a 1920*1080 resolution I can max out crysis with playable framerates. (AA on zero)

try underclocking your video card if the most updated drivers dont work, otherwise its probably a foulty card.... sorry
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a b U Graphics card
February 4, 2010 12:23:31 PM

PS: note my crappy dual core, and with this card.

anyways L4D2 runs fine on my system. no lag at all, never noticed any either.
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February 4, 2010 3:43:07 PM

Its never been lag thats the issue and I have had the card for a year. It just tons of graphical issues like spears coming from textures. I have tried rolling back and updating drivers, no help, I also have the latest BIOS for my board. However my Dad needs a new rig to develop and test Windows 7 on so he has opted to buy me a new one and he take this one my new rig will be:

Intel Core i7 920 2.66 Ghz
850w Enermax Galaxy
EVGA E758-TR 3-Way
4 GB A-Data Gaming Series (2x2GB) DDR3 1600 RAM
2 GTX 260 SLI
I will keep my HDD

but I hear that it I might be better off waiting for the Fermi chips or going the ATI route and getting two 5770's or a 5850. IF I get the single card 5850 I will probably settle for the 750w Corsair PSU as well.

Also I heard that in order to go to 64-bit I would have to do a clean start on my drive and I dont feel like doing that right now.

P.S. my PSU right now is a 650w In case that matters. and in dxdiag it says my Directx is at 11 which seems odd to me.
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a b U Graphics card
February 4, 2010 4:13:23 PM

I would go the ati route indeed.

dxdiag says dx11 because dx11 is installed by software, but on a hardware level you are running dx10 only.

with that setup, i would also consider going for 6 or 8gb of ram.

yes, go 64 bit when the time comes, with the new fresh install
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February 4, 2010 8:27:39 PM

Ya I just have a lot of important school stuff and had to go through starting over when I went from XP to Vista 1 year ago (big mistake indeed). When I go 64-bit ill go 8 GB.

Also which is the top notch company for ATI cards is it Sapphire?

Here is my projected ATI build so far (not much changed):

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 2.66 Ghz
PSU: 850w Enermax Galaxy
RAM: A-Data Series 4 GB (2x2)
MOAB: ASUS P6X58D Premium

GPU: XFX 5770 (2 for xfire) (cheaper deal for two)

or

GPU: Sapphire 5770 (2 for xfire)
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a b U Graphics card
February 4, 2010 8:49:31 PM

Get a single 5850 for now so you can still crossfire in future and get a nice speedboost
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February 4, 2010 9:02:34 PM

I have those drivers I also tried the 2 before them 2 beta drivers, and rolled back to the 185 I still have spears it happens on AvP Demo now too even with AA, AF OFF and settings set to Normal which basically is only one level higher than Low.

I also use a Driver Sweeper before each new install just in case. It has to with it being at that resolution lower resolutions it can max out fine. I know that around April I will be getting a new unit either way, and my Dad is paying for it because he wants to use mine, hopefully the new NVIDIA cards will be out by then because most websites are out of stock for the GTX 275 and GTX 260 setups which is what I wanted to upgrade to in the beginning. I want to be able to get the best stuff out there so I dont have to upgrade for a long time the 5850 idea sounds good as well and saves me about $50 as well for now.

I am just tryign to find a solution for my issues now till that day arrives is all.
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a c 273 U Graphics card
February 4, 2010 9:42:58 PM

N.Broekhuijsen said:
I have a GTS250, which is exactly the same card, and at a 1920*1080 resolution I can max out crysis with playable framerates. (AA on zero)


No it's not :non:  , your card is equivalent to the 9800GTX which has 128 cores whilst the GT's only have 112.
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February 4, 2010 9:51:34 PM

Actually it is equivalent to the 9800GTX + not just the regular 9800GTX..
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a c 273 U Graphics card
February 4, 2010 9:59:00 PM

shadowpope17 said:
Actually it is equivalent to the 9800GTX + not just the regular 9800GTX..

That would depend on the card as some of the GTS250's were 65nm GPU's just like their 9800GTX counterparts, the GTX+'s were supposed to all be 55nm's but some are 65nm OC models.
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February 4, 2010 10:40:07 PM

What ever you do be sure to get either 3,6,9 or 12 GB of RAM i7 920 have a triple channel memory controller, if you use 2,4, or 8 GB of RAM you will cripple your processor.
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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 4, 2010 10:41:53 PM

If you have graphical anomalies then there is something wrong. Either the card isn't getting the power it needs, the heat is to high, or the card is on its way out. Use ATItraytools to check for artifacts. You can try lowering heat if you think thats a problem, but odds are the card is dying.
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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 4, 2010 10:43:50 PM

And thanks mouse for pointing out one of the errors. The other is even a 32 bit system using ~3GBs of ram should still run it fine. I have "4GBs" of ram installed, 3.25GBs usable, on my 32bit windows XP and I don't have any problems running games. I can max out TF2 and use 2AA with my 8800GS.
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February 4, 2010 11:23:07 PM

Can't use ATItraytools atm cuz I have an nvidia card.
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February 4, 2010 11:42:15 PM

EDIT thought I edited this hmm

I figured out what you meant, found my answer here on an article about i7 RAM speeds, so I went with this memory

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This build is really only if the newer Fermi chips are too expensive however, but I dont see a need to upgrade for at least a few years if I get this. I also went with the 5850 Sapphire again.
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a b U Graphics card
February 5, 2010 1:38:40 AM

lVlAtlZiX said:
Can't use ATItraytools atm cuz I have an nvidia card.



Then use ATItool which works with both brands. I use it and it works like a charm.
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February 5, 2010 2:38:48 AM

Thanks for the tip, and for all the help guys. I dont want to waste $900, but I dont want to have to spend a lot for a long while either thats why I went with the 1366 and an i7. I also decided to go with 3x1 for my RAM because I will probably never convert to 64-bit, and if i do i would have to buy memory then anyways so id rather save the $80 extra bucks for now.
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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 5, 2010 3:08:08 AM

Don't they both work? You can't use it to control your clocks, but the artifact checker works on Nvidia cards. Thats all we're looking for at this point.
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a b U Graphics card
February 5, 2010 3:10:17 AM

Whenever I tried to use ATItraytools it would never load with a nvidia card installed, but ATItool worked just fine.
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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 5, 2010 3:19:56 AM

I wish they had better seperate names. Thanks for the reminder. OP, try using ATItool to check for artifacts.
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February 5, 2010 4:28:03 AM

I tried using ATITool it ran for like 15 minutes with no issues. I noticed that my default lock settings in EVGA PRecision are 600 Core Clock 1500 Shader and 900 for Memory. But most sites and specs say that it should be 1800 for mem but it wont go past 1440.
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a c 273 U Graphics card
February 5, 2010 4:37:50 AM

lVlAtlZiX said:
I tried using ATITool it ran for like 15 minutes with no issues. I noticed that my default lock settings in EVGA PRecision are 600 Core Clock 1500 Shader and 900 for Memory. But most sites and specs say that it should be 1800 for mem but it wont go past 1440.

If the RAM is being measured at 'normal' rate then you have to double it (DDR = Double Data Rate) to get it's true speed thus 900 x 2 = 1800.
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a b U Graphics card
February 5, 2010 4:40:29 AM

Its because of DDR lVlAtlZiX, double data rate, while it says 900 on Atitools, it is actually rated at 1800mhz because of ddr2 memory. 1440 is a pretty serious OC compared to 900... be careful
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February 5, 2010 4:41:06 AM

Thats what I figured I lowered the clock to 575 and let the shader move with it on its own. Less issues in AvP mainly just the Pred now looks all "speary" ill try going down to 550 in the morning.

Also im now on 196.34 drivers cuz the 196.21 wouldnt let me change my clock settings some bug.
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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 5, 2010 6:06:12 AM

How hot does the card get?
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February 5, 2010 2:40:50 PM

IT gets up to and around 80-84 for most games. If I set the fan to 100% it doesnt go really much higher than 77. Dragon Age however was at about 90-95 at one point I realized it a bit late.

I also found out that when I minimize the game and check its getting a "driver has stopped responding" error. Over and Over again. I googled it and found out that it could be a number of things but the most obvious is a BIOS setting that Vista dislikes and others said yo under clock the memory could fix it.

Also this guy seems to describe what I have with Empire:Total War, otherwise I mainly get these blocky purple and blue things to appear at times.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/270505-33-display-dri...

If the card is still under warranty I could see if if EVGA will replace it for now. But I dont think it is.
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February 5, 2010 3:28:48 PM

Just had two BOD's in a matter of 30 minutes with the nvdlldmkm.sys error. Gonna reinstall drivers, otherwise I think this cards on its way out. Time for me to get the 5850, if the fermi blows it away I dont really care I dont need PhysX and the 5850 will still play games at good enough FPS. I dont need a Ferrari to race a Civic. Plus its always nice to have a change.
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February 7, 2010 6:03:34 PM

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a c 273 U Graphics card
February 7, 2010 11:17:17 PM

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