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AMD Phenom X4 9650 vs AMD Athlon II X4 630

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April 21, 2010 3:46:19 PM

AMD Phenom X4 9650
AMD Athlon II X4 630

Witch CPU should i buy this confuses me could you guys help out xP?
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April 21, 2010 4:07:21 PM

the original Phenoms are horrible, get the Athlon II X4 630, lower heat/power and better OC potential
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April 21, 2010 4:20:32 PM

Hi.

1- The Phenom X4 9650 is 65nm, the X4 630 is 45nm. Less power, less heat. Win the 630.
2- The Phenom X4 9650 run at 2300MHz, the X4 630 run at 2800MHz. Win the 630
3- The Phenom X4 9650 only have 2MB cache L3, you won't see a big difference with the 630 that don't have.
4- The OC capabilities of the 1st Phenom generation are a crap, with the 630 you can get 3.6 or maybe more with the correct settings.
5- The Phenom X4 9650 support 1.25V max, the X4 630 support 1.5V, means more OC capability.
6- The Phenom X4 9650 is socket AM2+, the X4 630 is AM3.
7- The Phenom X4 9650 is around $96, the X4 630 is around $99. $3 more for a better processor.

Conclusion?, the Phenom X4 9650 isn't a good option today, go with the Athlon II X4 630 and maybe U can unlock the L3 cache. Or if you want a Phenom, go for the 2nd generation, the Phenom II.
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April 21, 2010 5:30:25 PM

saint19 said:
Hi.

1- The Phenom X4 9650 is 65nm, the X4 630 is 45nm. Less power, less heat. Win the 630.
2- The Phenom X4 9650 run at 2300MHz, the X4 630 run at 2800MHz. Win the 630
3- The Phenom X4 9650 only have 2MB cache L3, you won't see a big difference with the 630 that don't have.
4- The OC capabilities of the 1st Phenom generation are a crap, with the 630 you can get 3.6 or maybe more with the correct settings.
5- The Phenom X4 9650 support 1.25V max, the X4 630 support 1.5V, means more OC capability.
6- The Phenom X4 9650 is socket AM2+, the X4 630 is AM3.
7- The Phenom X4 9650 is around $96, the X4 630 is around $99. $3 more for a better processor.

Conclusion?, the Phenom X4 9650 isn't a good option today, go with the Athlon II X4 630 and maybe U can unlock the L3 cache. Or if you want a Phenom, go for the 2nd generation, the Phenom II.


+1
@OP:

He made the job damn easy for you!!
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April 21, 2010 5:36:50 PM

Athlon II for sure!

the original phenoms were a joke, garbage.

I would go as far as calling them an abomination!
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April 21, 2010 10:46:37 PM

Quote:
Athlon II for sure!

the original phenoms were a joke, garbage.

I would go as far as calling them an abomination!


Lets not get carried away here. Especially since we have little info on the original posters needs. The original generation of phenoms were ok chips. But they were not enthusiast material. But not everyone is an enthusiast.

That said, if this is a new build, there is no qustion the 630 is the better choice. It is basically a newer version of the 9650 and is superior in all respects to its predecessor. Its faster, uses less, power, and works for socket AM2+ or AM3. The 9650 is only AM2+.

However, if you are looking to upgrade a cpu in an existing machine, it may not support the newer chip. So it depends on what your doing with the cpu.

April 21, 2010 11:49:23 PM

Saint19 has the Best answer. I wanted the Phenom II's but was out of my budget,the PII 965 is almost twice the price of an x4 630, the cheaper PII's only have a small performance advantage, and sometimes the x4 630 is better, Check out The CPU Charts Here at Tom's for a better picture. but one question thou how do I unlock the L3 Cache?
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April 21, 2010 11:59:19 PM

The Phenom Is are still capable CPUs, could we get more information? If the Phenom I is signficantly cheaper it could be worth it, but we'd need to know your uses/setup.
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April 22, 2010 12:03:53 AM

Saint19 had the best answer OP, only thing I have to add to it is that the Phenom X4 9XXX processors and Athlon II X4 6XX processors have almost identical performance clock for clock. Primary reasons the Athlon II is the better buy is the lower power consumption and higher overclocking headroom.


ZEPd3Z said:
Saint19 has the Best answer. I wanted the Phenom II's but was out of my budget,the PII 965 is almost twice the price of an x4 630, the cheaper PII's only have a small performance advantage, and sometimes the x4 630 is better, Check out The CPU Charts Here at Tom's for a better picture. but one question thou how do I unlock the L3 Cache?


I'll be nice and answer your question since you did contribute to this thread. You probably can't unlock the L3 cache, most Athlon II X4/X3 processors are manufactured without any L3 cache as the Propus die, it's to reduce cost. However, some Athlon II parts are Phenom II with disabled L3 cache, this was originally done to help meet demand for the new budget Athlons. On the chance you actually have a Phenom II that's been disabled, you need to find ACC in your BIOS and enable it. Cache unlocking is done the same way as core unlocking.
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April 22, 2010 5:40:28 AM

loneninja said:
Saint19 had the best answer OP


Really? What if, for example, he has an AM2 board that supports am2+ but not AM3? We know nothing about application. And being he doesn't know the difference between an X4 9650 and a X4 630, its fair to say he is a novice.

Until we know his application, you could convince him to waste $100 on something that won't work for him.
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April 22, 2010 6:12:18 AM

Your opinion is valid but, the AM2/AM2+ socket isn't a problem. Why? BIOS update, if you take a look of my rig, you can find my Phenom II X4 955 running in a K9A2 Platinum socket AM2/AM2+.

As you, IMO don't have sense spend $96 in a CPU that everybody knows that isn't good.

@ZEPd3z

The Athlon II X4 is a Phenom with dead cache L3, if you want try to unlock the L3 cache, you need activate AAC and use a mobo with chipset 770 or 790
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April 22, 2010 7:16:07 AM

saint19 said:
The Athlon II X4 is a Phenom with dead cache L3, if you want try to unlock the L3 cache, you need activate AAC and use a mobo with chipset 770 or 790


At the risk of repeating what's already been said, only the early Athlon II's have disabled L3 cache. The newer batches won't have it at all. AMD leaves it off the die to save costs. If that be the case, there's no chance of unlocking it since you cannot enable something that's not there.

@OP, the Athlon II is a better option in every respect, provided your motherboard supports it.
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April 22, 2010 8:34:35 AM

saint19 said:
Your opinion is valid but, the AM2/AM2+ socket isn't a problem. Why? BIOS update, if you take a look of my rig, you can find my Phenom II X4 955 running in a K9A2 Platinum socket AM2/AM2+.


If the manufacturer provides one. Very likely on AM2+. Not so much on AM2. I would say at least 75% of AM2 boads don't have phenom II support.

I don't think its a likely scenario, but we should at least rule it out before we the ordain the 630 as the chip to buy.

I have seen this type of thing go horribly wrong before. Never hurts to be sure.
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April 22, 2010 11:38:15 AM

FALC0N said:
If the manufacturer provides one. Very likely on AM2+. Not so much on AM2. I would say at least 75% of AM2 boads don't have phenom II support.

I don't think its a likely scenario, but we should at least rule it out before we the ordain the 630 as the chip to buy.

I have seen this type of thing go horribly wrong before. Never hurts to be sure.



I agree, my AM2 board is too old to support Phenom/Athlon II. OP needs to tell us what his board is.
April 29, 2010 11:55:28 PM

to loneninja & saint19, thanks for the reply.
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April 30, 2010 12:00:16 AM

Any time, that's why we are here.
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