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February 14, 2010 7:59:54 PM

Well, it's about that time for me to buy a new system. My current Pentium 4HT system is starting not to perform the way I want it to and upgrading it further seems no longer worth it. I've never build a computer from the ground up though so I'm looking for some thoughts and suggestions.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Planning for within next 2 weeks

BUDGET RANGE: 1400 to 1600

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, surfing the internet, movie watching, video editing

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard (Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch NKRO), mouse (Logitech G5), monitor (Samsung XL2370), Hard Drive (WD 640gb Caviar Black), DVD/CD Burner (Samsung S223Q), Sound card (Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg for the combos, or any other reputable retailer

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: Quality parts, otherwise no specific brand preference

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe in future or might just get new card

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 23inch

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Would like a quiet computer and willing to pay a moderate premium for quiet at the same performance


CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 199.99
MOBO: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 189.99
RAM: G.SKILL ECO series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 119.99
HDD: Intel X25-M SSDSA2M080G2R5 80GB 299.99
PSU: Antec CP-850 850W CPX 80 PLUS 109.31
Case: Antec P183 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 129.99
GPU: XFX HD-585A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5850 299.99
Cooler: Thermalright Venomous X 69.99
HSF Fans: 2x Nexus BASIC D12SL-12 120mm 19.98
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 104.99

Total estimate: 1544.21


Some of my other thoughts and questions...

1. As far as cost is concerned, I state estimate because I can save some money with newegg combos and there are some deals out there for some of the parts. Overall, I'm more concerned about how these parts will work together, bottleneck issues, upgradability, etc...

2. For the GPU, I'm may change that to Sapphire's 5850 Toxic card that comes factory overclocked and with vapor-x cooling. I'm expecting that it should be a quieter card and that a 5850 should be good in most games at 1920x1080?

3. Is the P7P55D-E Pro and G.Skill Eco memory good for overclocking?

4. What about the SSD selection? While SSD's might not be the most worthwhile purchase, I do like the idea of fast boot times, responsiveness, and no noise.

5. I have the Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS already in my current computer. Has onboard sound advanced enough that I'd don't need to reuse the card?

Well, any and all thoughts, suggestions, comments, are very welcome!
February 15, 2010 12:01:00 AM

@SAINT19, good build and all, but it would be 150$ over budget, since you forgot the os...heres my build, i personally think it is much better, but here ya go:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (the price includes 8 gigs of this)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

final price is 1514.82$, and i personally think that is much better, it has the 5870, for better gpu power, 8 gigs of ram for super fast computing, the 750 for super speed, and a 120 Gb ssd for tons of storage. it also has the hyper 212 for great overclocking, and a psu that can easily handle 5870 xfire...there ya go, hope this helped :) 
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February 15, 2010 12:09:00 AM

^ohhh...yea, it's always my problem, i forgot the OS. I always suppose that the user already have it.
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February 15, 2010 12:15:32 AM

haha same, im going around saying this build is so much more amazing, but its just because i forgot the os :lol:  o well, os or not, both builds are good.
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February 15, 2010 12:27:29 AM

SAINT19: As far as I've read, there's no big advantage once I overclock to go with i7 920 over the i5 750. And the the mobo I selected for right now has USB3 and SATA 6gb. I guess overall I see little benefit to go with X58 over P55 for what I'm intending to use the computer for.

Not the biggest fan of the Antec 300 because of noise. I'm pretty sure the Antec P183 would be much quieter. And it fits the Antec CP-850 PSU which from reviews I've read is one of the quietest PSU's available, not to mention cheaper than Antec TP-750

ares1214: As far as budget goes, I'm willing to spend a little more if it will provide less noise at the same or preferably better performance. Hence my case choice.

Is the OCZ Solid 2 Series faster than the Intel in real world performance? I think for a main OS and program drive 80gb will probably be sufficient, or would you disagree? I've got plenty of storage otherwise so I'm not worried about just data storage (The WD 640gb and also have external drives).

8gb of ram isn't that much more useful than 4gb for gaming is it?

No argument from my end with 5870 being more GPU power, but what about noise and is it really that much better at 1920x1080 resolution?

I think for the price the hyper 212 is the best cooler but I believe the Venomous X would allow me to overclock more or to oc less and run cooler... Was also thinking about the Prolimatech Megahalems as well.


But yeah, both builds are nice....
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February 15, 2010 12:29:33 AM

^jejej. well, the user must take the final desition.
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February 15, 2010 12:34:06 AM

Well, this support USB 3.0 and SATA 6GB/s for the same price that the P6T Deluxe V2.
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February 15, 2010 12:55:56 AM

@letsrahk, well first off, i wouldnt worry much about U3S6, nothing uses either yet, nothing will for probs a while, and it wont be popular for atleast 1.5 years, so when you do need it in about 2 years, buy a 20$ card reader, but dont worry too much about it now. second, the ssd is good either way...both have TRIM support, so thats a biggg plus, yet, still it is recommended to keep about 25% of your ssd not used, so its always nice to have 90 gigs vs. 60 gigs. also, as far as speed, the ocz will be faster writing, the intel will be faster at reading, but it doesnt matter, because you wont notice the difference. the thing about the ram is...64 bit os makes everything 64 bit, using 20-40% more memory, so, if you only want 4, get 32 bit, since 4 on 32 is much different than 4 on 64. also, i see from my own system with 8 gigs of ram, upgrade from 4...it is better. it isnt like night and day going from 2 to 4, but it definitely speeded my games up. i recommend it, but if you really dont want it, then just take that off my build, and you have another 100$ to work with. the 212 is really good, but if you want quiet, i would point you to some of the scythe on newegg, or whoever has them, they are amazingly quiter, and extremely impressively cool. the 5870 is much better at hd, here look around:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/6...

so no question there...and i dont think the 5870 is too much louder if louder at all than the 5850...
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February 15, 2010 2:35:12 PM

ares1214 said:
@letsrahk, well first off, i wouldnt worry much about U3S6, nothing uses either yet, nothing will for probs a while, and it wont be popular for atleast 1.5 years, so when you do need it in about 2 years, buy a 20$ card reader, but dont worry too much about it now. second, the ssd is good either way...both have TRIM support, so thats a biggg plus, yet, still it is recommended to keep about 25% of your ssd not used, so its always nice to have 90 gigs vs. 60 gigs. also, as far as speed, the ocz will be faster writing, the intel will be faster at reading, but it doesnt matter, because you wont notice the difference. the thing about the ram is...64 bit os makes everything 64 bit, using 20-40% more memory, so, if you only want 4, get 32 bit, since 4 on 32 is much different than 4 on 64. also, i see from my own system with 8 gigs of ram, upgrade from 4...it is better. it isnt like night and day going from 2 to 4, but it definitely speeded my games up. i recommend it, but if you really dont want it, then just take that off my build, and you have another 100$ to work with. the 212 is really good, but if you want quiet, i would point you to some of the scythe on newegg, or whoever has them, they are amazingly quiter, and extremely impressively cool. the 5870 is much better at hd, here look around:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/6...

so no question there...and i dont think the 5870 is too much louder if louder at all than the 5850...


What do you mean by it 8gb is speeding your games up? Like faster loads or higher FPS? The part of the cooler tha makes noise is the fan but better coolers should need lower fan speeds and hence less noise...
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February 15, 2010 3:07:24 PM

A couple of notes to start with. 8 GB is useless to gamers. It will help speed up an encoding or memory intensive programs, which games are neither. Second, the i7 on this budget is a waste for gaming. Finally, I can't believe everyone is going with a SSD (which doesn't help in game) over an HD 5970 (which does help in game)

Here's what I'd build with $1,500:

CPU: i5-750 $200
HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 $30
Mobo: Asus P7P55D-E Pro $190
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $115
Case: HAF 922 $90 after rebate
PSU: Silverstone 850W 80+ Silver $150
GPU: HD 5970 $650

Total: $1,425. I know that puts you a little over with the OS, but I didn't look for any combos. If there aren't any, the Silverstone 80+ Silver is pretty expensive, and you can get the 80+ Bronze version for $50 less after rebate.
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February 15, 2010 3:15:05 PM

Normally I agree with ares1214, but I'm going to disagree with the recommendation to get 8 GB of RAM. You really don't need it right now. If you have the extra cash to throw around, by all means go for it, but more than 4 GB doesn't provide massive benefits for gaming. It might help out if you do a lot of video editing, but if that's an infrequent task, I wouldn't bother.

MadAdmiral's build is excellent, though I don't know how silent it is. You could drop to a 5870 and put some more money into making it quieter. Check out silentpcreview.com for some ideas.
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February 15, 2010 3:23:52 PM

the extra 4 gigs is optional, i noticed a difference in gaming, not much, but loading got faster by a decent amount. if you dont want the extra 4 gigs, then great, 100$ of my build, which you could save up for another 5870, or for 1 5970. and ssds are all around helpful...its not like the second you turn your computer on it goes to a game or that theres no os, people do use the internet and such, so a ssd would be quite useful...also, in some games, with lots of loading, ssds are awesome because it basically cuts loading time down to fractions. he also said that he wanted it to be quiet, and ssds are quiter than hdds. the 4 gigs i can understand, but unless he is trying to max out crysis at 2560x1600, he doesnt need a 5970, just look at benchmarks for the 5870:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422...

it destroys everything, and if he is playing at HD, it will be amazing. also, we was going to go with the 5850, so i think the step up to a 5870 is good enough...
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February 15, 2010 3:29:28 PM

Why not save $5.00 by dropping to the Gigabyte P55a-ud4p
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February 15, 2010 3:33:03 PM

mainly because the asus has a better implementation of U3S6, and personally, they are both good and all, but for me, it is normally better to go with asus then gigabyte...
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February 15, 2010 4:18:34 PM

The full explanation is that the Gigabyte disables USB 3/SATA III support when you Crossfire, while the Asus does not. Thus, the extra $5 to ensure full functionality is a good idea.
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February 15, 2010 4:20:46 PM

^Why does happen?
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February 15, 2010 4:37:25 PM

I'm guessing it's because the second PCIe slot shares bandwith with the USB 3/SATA III ports, so instead of giving lower Crossfire speeds, they made it so the ports are slower. The Gigabyte boards were the first USB 3/SATA III boards out, mainly due to needing to fix the Foxconn socket problems, and they hadn't quite figured it out yet.
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February 15, 2010 4:42:50 PM

Ohh, excellent explanation. Thx, and if you can take a look of my thread in the Overcloking section (easy question) will be apreciated it
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February 15, 2010 4:51:43 PM

Quote:
CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 199.99
MOBO: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 189.99
RAM: G.SKILL ECO series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 119.99
HDD: Intel X25-M SSDSA2M080G2R5 80GB 299.99
PSU: Antec CP-850 850W CPX 80 PLUS 109.31
Case: Antec P183 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 129.99
GPU: XFX HD-585A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5850 299.99
Cooler: Thermalright Venomous X 69.99
HSF Fans: 2x Nexus BASIC D12SL-12 120mm 19.98
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 104.99


Case / PSU - outstanding choice....note that case has $20 off w/ promo code EMCYNYX63, ends 2/15

Also note that the P193 is quieter but may have HSF issues so check w/ Antec before buying.....they have very responsive phone support. Max height of HSF would be 140mm ...Magahalems is 159

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

CPU / MoBo - Solid Choice

RAM - Just pick lowest CAS # of DDR 1600 that ya can afford from a vendor you are comfy with

Mushkin Enhanced Redline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
CAS 6 - $159 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CAS 7 - CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 CMX4GX3M2A1600C7 $119
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX Card - Might wanna consider the Asus model of the 5850 as it has increased performance due to the Voltage Tweak feature. Also saves you arguments w/ TS when you call w/ a MoBo problem and tech says "It's a GFX card problem"...you get to answer "OK, that's yours too" :) . The Saphire w/ vapor X is another tweaked alternative.

Keep in mind that the 58xx is the "entry point" for DX11 games. Drop 1 tier down and the 5xxx can't do 30 fps in DX11 at your resolution. As games start to incorporate more DX11 features, the thing is likely to strain a bit warranting Xfire.

HS & fans - I see later that you were considering the Megahalems and have to echo that choice. For top notch performance and ease of installation, the Prolimatech Megahalems fits both criteria. Here's what I'm putting in new builds Mega w/ IC Diamond TIM and twin Scythe PWMfans (make sure ya MoBo can handle the fan wattage). ($95 for the HS, TIM. two PWM fans and a Y cable splitter). Ya can get away w/ just one fan and skip the splitter if ya not gonna OC above 3.6 Ghz

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8807/cpu-pro-01/Proli...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7038/thr-41/Innovatio...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10026/fan-639/Scythe_...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8418/cab-150/FrozenCP...

If that's a budget breaker, look at the Xigmnatec S1283 or one of the others here:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

pick a TIM from the top few here:
http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

OS - Is newegg still running the special on Win7Pro....worth considering if only for "XP mode" .

Sound Card - I'd go w/ on board and only switch if it don't float ya boat.
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February 16, 2010 6:14:52 AM

Wow, lots of helpful input since I looked at this thread before work. At this point I think I'm pretty set on Core i5 750 as by far the best bang for the buck CPU especially since I plan to overclock. I'm still open to MOBO suggestions but I've heard little convincing so far to go away from the Asus P7P55D-E Pro.

As far as budget, I'd like to stay around 1500, but like I stated, I'm will to go a bit over to say like 1600 if it's for the sake of quietness. And that leads to the next thing which I'm not to sure of.....

For gaming, I think for a single card there's no doubt the 5970 is the best. But at 1920x1080 resolution is more than a 5850 really necessary? http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-graphic... seems to suggest that it should be able to handle 1920x1200 exceptionally well. I guess it's tough to say how future DX11 games will play out but my thought would be I could end up crossfiring down the road with two 5850 which http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433... seem to suggest shouldn't be affected too much by P55 problems going to two x8 PCIe lanes instead of x16. My hope would be 5850 would let me play anything now at 1920x1080 but if stops being able to, getting a second card hopefully should cost less. Now if the 5850 won't perform now, that would be a different story.


Are any of you familiar with the ram I selected? The G.Skill Eco is like 5 dollars more than the Ripjaws but is a lower voltage ram at 1.35V. I've read a review that states it can do CAS 6. And can be easily overclocked with voltage bump to just 1.5V and still run cool. It also has the advantage of not having a tall heatspreader so no cooler issues....


As far as the CoolerMaster 212 that many have you have suggested, anyone use push/pull fans and see how well you can OC with it? I know it's a great value but I'm thinking a higher performance air cooler should be quieter since it's cooler?
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February 16, 2010 10:26:09 AM

At 1900x, the 5870 is needed. The 5850 is good for every game except for Crysis. If it's already struggling with one game at that resolution, it will start struggling with many more as they get better.

The reason to get the 5970 over the 5870 is to eliminate the need to upgrade in the future. I have no problem saying that the 5870 will need to be upgraded in a few years, but the 5970 could easily last 5 to 6 years by itself. At that point, it would be an entirely new build, and there would b e a lot of new tech out that it will need to be replaced.

In addition, a lot of FPS are lost when using DirectX 11. That alone will make the 5870 a better choice over the 5850 and the 5970 the best choice.

The Eco sticks are actually more like $11 more, as they don't have free shipping. I have no doubt that the Ripjaws can also reach CAS 6 with adjusting the settings. They also don't have a tall heatspreader. Besides, if you stick to the best coolers, you won't have clearance issues with either.

The Hyper is one of the best. There was an article done on the best air coolers. It was found to be the best performance for the money. The actual best was the Sycthe Mugen-2 Rev. B, but that one had some RAM clearance issues and is a little more expensive.
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February 17, 2010 5:13:24 PM

MadAdmiral: You bring up excellent points about the GPUs. I agree with your points. I think the tricky part becomes 5850 xfire is just slightly worse than 5970 and about the same cost. If you overclock likely would pass it. And I could always save the money now and xfire when I run into more issues and the total cost should be less. Same arguement with 5870 which is xfire is faster from what I've looked at compared to the 5970 as the 5970 is basically 5870 xfire downclocked.

I'll have to take a more careful look at those Ripjaws then.

I don't think there's any doubt Hyper 212 right now is the best bang for the buck cooler. That being said, that review leaves out 2 of the best reviewed coolers out there in the TRUE and the Megahalem. But, I'm willing to pay a bit more for a top performance cooler because I believe that will allow me to run slower fans and hence a quieter system. I could be wrong though.

Ok based on input so far some slight modification to my build (again, I'll worry about combos, shipping, and shopping around when I pull the trigger):

CPU: Intel Core i5-750 $200
MOBO: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro $190
RAM: G.SKILL ECO series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 $120
HDD: Intel X25-M G2 80GB $300
PSU: Antec CP-850 $110
Case: Antec P183 $130
GPU: Sapphire 5850 Toxic $340
Cooler: Prolimatech Megahalem $65
HSF Fans: 2x Nexus BASIC D12SL-12 120mm $20
OS: Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit $105

Total: $1580

This would put me at the upper limits of my budget. But with combos and shopping around I'm sure I'll stay within budget with these components.
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February 17, 2010 5:22:42 PM

The problem with comparing the 5850 CF to the 5970 is that the 5970 is essentially 5850s in Crossfire. The difference is that the 5970 is two 5870s on the same card, just downclocked to the 5850 level. This can be easily reversed with 3 clicks in ATI's overclocking software. So for $650, you're getting $800 worth of GPU power.

The Hyper is also quiet. That was taken into account in the review. I don't think it's worth it to spend an extra $55 to get nothing.

I would wait on the SSD. To be really useful, you need at least a 128 GB one, which is out of budget for sure.
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February 17, 2010 6:12:02 PM

MadAdmiral said:
The problem with comparing the 5850 CF to the 5970 is that the 5970 is essentially 5850s in Crossfire. The difference is that the 5970 is two 5870s on the same card, just downclocked to the 5850 level. This can be easily reversed with 3 clicks in ATI's overclocking software. So for $650, you're getting $800 worth of GPU power.

The Hyper is also quiet. That was taken into account in the review. I don't think it's worth it to spend an extra $55 to get nothing.

I would wait on the SSD. To be really useful, you need at least a 128 GB one, which is out of budget for sure.


MadAdmiral, you and your dang Jedi Mind tricks. Evertime I think I'm about settled about what I'm going to build, you go and say something simple true and brilliant and make me reconsider everything! Thanks!

So I guess I'm looking then 5850+SSD or 5970 and holding off on a SSD until later or 5870 and smaller SDD for boot Drive like the Intel X25-V 40gb.
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February 17, 2010 6:25:59 PM

I would hold off on the SSD for now. If you're only getting 1 drive and it's an SSD, I think you're going to be disappointed unless it's at least 128 GB. 80 GB will barely hold an OS, mail, web browser, a couple of games, and maybe another app or two. If you're going to be doing video editing, you won't have enough space left to, you know, store any files. (And really, you don't want to store files that you're changing a lot on an SSD anyway.)

Go with a 500GB or 1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 (if they're back on newegg) or a similarly-sized Seagate 7200.12.
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February 17, 2010 6:26:20 PM

I would hold off on the SSD. Prices are going to tumble soon, and right now they've got some issues that could be improved.
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February 17, 2010 9:41:14 PM

i see what you are saying, but then aside from the 8 gigs, what was wrong with my build... it has a 120 gig ssd, and a 5870, so the best of both worlds...and now that it doesnt need the extra 4 gigs, you can add 100$ to making it quieter, like foam, anti vibration, fans, better cooler...or by getting the p183
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February 17, 2010 10:49:13 PM

@johnny: SBM PCs suck. Do your own research...

@ares: I don't particularly call wasting money on a SSD to settle for the 5870 the "best" of both worlds. The better idea would be to get the 5970 (which will never need to be upgraded) and pick up a SSD when the 128 GB models drop to around $100-150. Actually, if you go with the 5970, I have a revision that I didn't really didn't think about. Revised build below.

CPU: i5-750 $200
HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $30
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 $135
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $115
Case: HAF 922 $90 after rebate
PSU: Silverstone 750W 80+ Bronze $110 after rebate
GPU: HD 5970 $650

Total: $1,330. I switched the board to a single PCIe 2.0 slot board with USB 3/SATA III. The reason for this is that the 5970 should never need to be used in Crossfire, as by the time it becomes too weak, there will be much newer tech out that should be used as a replacement. In addition, I dropped the size of the PSU to save some cash because the extra wattage wasn't needed for Crossfire. These changes will allow you to pick up another set of RAM if the other non-gaming tasks are too slow or possibly even a fairly good sized SSD.
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February 17, 2010 11:40:40 PM

madAdmiral - slow down a bit. The SBM article I referenced isn't all that bad.

I just compared the cpu, motherboard, memory, video, and psu. The SBM article and your list aren't that much different except for memory and video.

The price of DDR3 1600 memory has dropped since last December so it's definitely the new sweet spot. Good reason to bump it up from DDR3 1300. In fact I just did a cost comparison in another thread. No problem!

That leaves the video card. I am more than happy to stay out of those discussions and leave it to other veterans.
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February 18, 2010 12:43:18 AM

@madadmiral, first, it is the best of both worlds...he hasnt exactly said what games he will be playing, but considering that the 5870 is almost as powerful as the gtx 295, which was just the most powerful card in the world...i think it should be able to handle it, even more so at 1920x1080. also considering he was originally intending to go with a 5850, i think that the 5870 should be good. also, it is better to have a slightly more balanced build, so instead of having "good cpu, good ram, amazing vi card, hdd" i would rather have "good cpu, better ram, great vid card, ssd". also, since that ssd is 120 gigs, and actually not too expensive (prices seem to be falling from the upper stratosphere :lol:  ) i think it would be wise to get it now...that way, he has the ssd now, and in the rare event a 5870 isnt enough for him, he can just wait for the price to drop, just as he would for a ssd, and buy a second 5870, yielding better performance than a 5970 anyway...of course, if he plans to only max out crysis, i would agree with you, but in most cases, i would rather ssd+good gpu, than hdd+better gpu...not that the hard drive affects gaming massively, but this way the bottleneck isnt so obvious as you would be slowed down by a hdd, especially with games with lots of loading seqeunces...
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February 18, 2010 1:04:04 AM

You just pointed out the two reasons I wouldn't get the SSD right now. The prices are in free fall. If you spend $300 on a 120 GB SSD right now, it will be around $150 in a matter of months. The second main reason is that YOU DON"T GET ANYTHING IN GAME. Yes, the boot time of the PC is increased. Yes, the load times are slightly increased. Is that worth a GPU downgrade? I don't think so, especially when it's a part that is very easy to add later.
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February 18, 2010 1:17:55 AM

we are both making good points, but i cant say either of us are right until the OP says what games they are playing...like i said, if he is trying to max out crysis, go for the 5970, but just about anything else, go for the 5870...look at any benchmark on toms, at crysis, yeah sure, a single 5870 gets less than desirable, but still extremely playable (35ish fps) at 1920x1080, every other game; left 4 dead, world in conflict, far cry 2, HAWX, resident evil, grand theft auto, every WoW or rpg you can think of, and cod game are all maxed out at 1920x1080, and they get 50+ at the least, most are in the hundreds...so unless he is trying to max out crysis, he wont notice the difference, however, he will notice the difference when the os boots 2x faster, or he is the first one to spawn in a game, or the loading bar just goes straight across in 2 seconds...and not to mention normal tasks and saving/loading files.
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February 18, 2010 1:19:24 AM

also, just like ssd prices are in free fall (anybody know why??) when fermi comes out, by the time the ssds go down 100$, so would a second 5870, which would probably cost about 300$...
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February 18, 2010 5:32:41 AM

SSD Prices in free fall? I'm not arguing that it's not, I sure hope it is, I am just wondering why myself. In regards to the SSD, if I don't get it now it either saves me money or frees up a lot of budget because I would see no reason to get another HD at this time and just use my WD Cav Black 640GB as my system drive.

Games that I play, or plan to play. I'm an SC addict and very much looking forward to SC2. And Diablo3 next year. But also play FPS as well. Crysis I've never been a big fan of but that could also I've never been able to play at high settings. That being said, MadAdmiral makes a very convincing argument to me for the 5970 over the 5870 for the cost comparison. Yes, I know 5870 xfire is faster than stock 5970 but you could always overclock the 5970 as well. But, on a P55 board, the x8/x8 would also detract the 5870xfire performance as well, though not a lot.

The one thing I'm guessing MadAdmiral might not have a great solution for is, how exactly to get a 5970? Those things are like always out of stock!

Really not a fan of the Gigabyte boards with their USB3/SATA6 solutions. As if you use it you go from x16 to x8. The tomshardware test did it with 5870 and lost about 4%. Isn't huge, but if the 5870 suffers bandwith issues, the 5970 would like suffer even more.

So the big debate in my mind now is do I get SSD+5850 or just the 5970. While I agree it's good to have a balanced system, the SSD+5870 leaves I think a worse upgrade path as you'd really have to upgrade both.
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February 21, 2010 4:09:24 PM

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At 1900x, the 5870 is needed. The 5850 is good for every game except for Crysis. If it's already struggling with one game at that resolution, it will start struggling with many more as they get better.


I think that's a given after we say what happened w/Dirt 2

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The reason to get the 5970 over the 5870 is to eliminate the need to upgrade in the future. I have no problem saying that the 5870 will need to be upgraded in a few years, but the 5970 could easily last 5 to 6 years by itself. At that point, it would be an entirely new build, and there would b e a lot of new tech out that it will need to be replaced.


Methinks the Crysis of XMas 2011 will humble the 5970 as well as 400 series.

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The Hyper is one of the best. There was an article done on the best air coolers. It was found to be the best performance for the money. The actual best was the Sycthe Mugen-2 Rev. B, but that one had some RAM clearance issues and is a little more expensive.


My concern here is that that test had just a few coolers an that you really need to consider a consensus of reviews since for example the frostytech put the new Tuniq at the top and Tweaktown has the new Noctua.
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February 25, 2010 12:32:39 AM

I'm obviously too indecisive right now on this build as I've yet to pull the trigger. Done more research on MOBO and now am questioning the ASUS P7P55D-E Pro idea. The reasons, are USB3 and SATA 6gb right now is not yet necessary. Depending on when those devices become mainstream, can just get an addon card. Although it does appear right now the current addon cards have some theoretical bandwidth problems, by the time that is an issue it may be time to upgrade MOBO/CPU anyways? My other concern is over noise production as I'm aiming for a quiet system as I've read quite a bit of people having noise production from the P7P55D-E Pro with c-states on which I guess with it off makes turbo boost less useful?

In either case, anyone have suggestions for really any P55 board that offers good overclocking, stability, etc, but doesn't not necessarily need USB3 or SATA6gb?
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