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Budget card to play Dragon Age Origins Well?

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February 7, 2010 8:41:38 AM

Hello,

I have been looking at some other threads in relation to DAO, but nothing is very specific to what I am after so I was hoping to see if I could get a bit of advice.

I picked up a new system, but have yet to get a graphics card, currently using the onboard.

My current info:

-Win 7 (64)
-i5-650
-8GB Ram
-1TB HDD 7200
-400W PSU

I have one PCIe16 slot I can fill.

I need a budget card, less than $100 is great! Up to $150 is ok.

My main goals for this card, are;

- I want to be able to play Dragon Age Origins without trouble, on as high a setting as I can get and I would like to futurize my gaming capability if possible.
- Utilize Photoshop CS4
- Utilize Vue8 Infinite

Later on, when I have more $$$ I plan to upgrade my CPU and PSU but based on my current configuration and stated goals what would you recommend I pick up for a graphics card?

Thank you for your time and any suggestions you give me!
February 7, 2010 8:46:18 AM

8800gt or 9800gt do the job fine, games sucks tho IMO.
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February 7, 2010 8:56:07 AM

HD5770, dont listen to rodney the game is decent
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February 7, 2010 10:05:00 AM

5770 imo, is the best option if u can stretch your budget
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February 7, 2010 10:08:17 AM

on the XFX site it does say u need a 450watt PSU with one 6-pin power connector
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February 7, 2010 3:09:45 PM

Thank you all for the suggestions so far!

It is definitely a matter of opinion, whether the game is good or not, but I enjoy RPGs so I am pretty sure I will enjoy it. Even if I didn't like it I would still really enjoy the fact that I could play it well! :D 

I've heard something about it using PhysX (sp?). Would I need to stick with NVIDIA to be able to see that?

So far the choice seems to be 5770 for ATI or 8800/9800GT for NVIDIA.

The cards mentioned would hold up under heavy use by Photoshop CS4 and Vue8I and be able to handle some of the upcoming games?

Mainly RPG and strategy types? Once I pick up a card I am most likely going to be stuck with it for a while.

Thanks again for the help and any suggestions!

So I might need to upgrade the PSU as soon as possible?
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February 7, 2010 3:27:00 PM

The 5770 is about twice as fast as the 8800/9800GT (basically the same card) in many tests.

+ of course the 5770 will be more future proof with its DX11 support.
+ at idle will use about half the power of the 8800GT type saving you/mum money :) 

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February 7, 2010 3:31:23 PM

PhysX is built onto NVidia cards, but having DX11 support is a much better option for now I think ;) 

A good 400watt PSU is plenty fine for this setup - my brother has a similarly spec'd system with a 5770 which he is very happy with so far ^^
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February 7, 2010 3:35:16 PM

i feel like we should know your screen resolution so we don't give you something completely overkill possibly saving you money
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February 7, 2010 3:43:52 PM

I don't think the 5770 can be called much of overkill if you want to be able to run with all the eye candy set high.

Consider that DX11 take a rather large performance hit from what we have seen so far...

On a smaller screen with newer games it will do admirably

On a larger screen it should be acceptable and within his budget - sorta. and is the only low end DX11 card worth buying with good gaming in mind ;) 
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February 7, 2010 4:57:00 PM

Yep, I do want like eye candy and being able to set it high would be great, since I haven't ever really been able to do that before!

So a DX11 capable card would be a better future investment than a PhysX?

Screen Resolution max is only 1600x900. Would that change anything?

I was always partial to NVIDIA before but if the 5770 card runs cooler and uses less power that is a definite bonus! Cooler and good power usage is something I am also looking for in a card, just neglected to state that in my original post.

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February 8, 2010 4:37:34 PM

Well tell you what, I was surprised by how few games out there use GPU based PhysX

jaydeejohn just provided this handy link in another thread:
http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_physxgames_home.html

Other games that use PhysX support its processing using non dedicated hardware support - on CPU mostly I understand...

As someone said, think how long PhysX support has been out and how small that list is.

By the end of this 1st year there will be more DX11 games by far.


There is a 5830 coming out later this month, but I think you are already stretching your budget with this 5770?
So for you I think the 5770 is a great option!


1st DX11 game I'm buying is the new AvP

Hehehee can't wait for the 26th :D 
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February 20, 2010 9:17:46 PM

Sorry for being out for a few days, was giving midterms.

I appreciate all the help so far!!!

Pretty much decided on the 5770.

The question now is;

Brand; which would be better to get? Asus, Powercolor, XFX, Sapphire, HIS?

Right now I am leaning towards Asus -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363&cm_re=5770-_-14-121-363-_-Product , mainly because my system is ASUS and I figured they might all play better together.

Although the Powercolor is cheaper, just not sure yet. Which brands would you all recommend in this situation?

Appreciate all the help with this.
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February 20, 2010 9:25:09 PM

The GPU brand being Asus wont help or hurt in anyway.

As for PhysX, DA: O uses the PhysX API but does not support GPU acceleration, meaning it doesn't matter one bit whether your card is ATI or nVidia.

Oh and DA: O was a great game.
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February 20, 2010 10:19:06 PM

Yeah, the HD5770 is a great card for your resolution. Buying an Asus card doesn't matter at all but that one is a decent deal so you might as well get. The cheaper Power Color card also has half the memory, still a decent deal but if you can afford it go for the 1gb card.
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February 20, 2010 10:44:10 PM

They say HD 5770, but first of all what is your resolution? Anything below 1680x1050 should only really need an HD 5750.
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February 20, 2010 11:12:41 PM

arcticking said:
They say HD 5770, but first of all what is your resolution? Anything below 1680x1050 should only really need an HD 5750.


The ~$20 he would save is not worth the performance hit in future games.
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February 21, 2010 3:35:30 AM

arcticking said:
They say HD 5770, but first of all what is your resolution? Anything below 1680x1050 should only really need an HD 5750.

He already said his resolution.
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February 21, 2010 12:29:22 PM

Saeltari said:
Sorry for being out for a few days, was giving midterms.

I appreciate all the help so far!!!

Pretty much decided on the 5770.

The question now is;

Brand; which would be better to get? Asus, Powercolor, XFX, Sapphire, HIS?

Right now I am leaning towards Asus -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363&cm_re=5770-_-14-121-363-_-Product , mainly because my system is ASUS and I figured they might all play better together.

Although the Powercolor is cheaper, just not sure yet. Which brands would you all recommend in this situation?

Appreciate all the help with this.



Hi again :) 

If you are into OCing then the Asus could be a good choice as it comes with Voltage Tweak Technology (one of the very few cards having this) allowing you to up the GPU core voltage to help get a hogher OC ^^

I personally have never been a fan of PowerColor as in the past I heard not such good things from people's experiences... maybe now is different

Saphire and HIS are both decent and XFX has amazing warranties in the US, we get stiff with a small 2 year warrenty in the UK :( 

lol

Have fun choosing ;) 
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February 22, 2010 1:18:15 AM

Never OC'd. Brand doesn't make too much of a difference? Also looks like more people liked DA: O than disliked it. :sol: 

I went ahead and went with the ASUS 5770 and cause it was a good deal I grabbed a 600W PSU with it. Looks like everything will work in my case and since I only have the one PCIeX16 slot I am hoping as people have said, for my budget, that the 5770 will be able to run future games... at least for more than a few months ;) 

I wasn't sure about the PSU but it had some good reviews on other sites and the maker, Delta Electronics, is the same for the PSU that came with the machine. Supposedly they have some sort of working deal with ASUS.

Here's what I went with. Look alright?

PSU -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015
GPU-> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363

I am seriously looking forward to seeing what I can do with these! Especially getting to play DA: O, just before the expansion comes out, which I hope I will now be able to run smooth as well.

:D 
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February 22, 2010 1:35:02 AM

Great PSU, great card, have fun!
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February 22, 2010 2:39:15 AM

I had problems with a PowerColor x1950 pro so I've been a bit leery of Powercolor. All the other brands you mentioned are usually rock solid in my experience.
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February 22, 2010 3:18:12 AM

It is just not the latest greatest games all maxed out res wise or with dz 11. All the articles praise its gaiming performance for what its worth and dragon age origins isnt some latest hard to run dx 11 game. The card should be fine for it. Unless he needs to run it on high at 1600 1200 or something.
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February 22, 2010 3:18:38 AM

heck even the hd 3200 can run it (look on youtube) as long as you plat it on lower res.
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February 22, 2010 3:38:50 AM

Left 4 Dead is one of the easiest modern games to run. That card is just not good for gaming, it is intended for HTPCs. Even if you have a very low budget the HD4650 is about $5 more and much, much better as you can see in the articles you linked. It's even specifically stated in the conclusion of both articles while the "praise" you mention I cannot spot.
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February 22, 2010 3:54:46 AM

than he can just get the 9600 gso or the cheaper 9500 gt. And he never stated he is a hardcore gamer, all he wants is a card for a single game or games lower than it. And the suggestion I gave or the 9600 gso/9500 gt will satisfy him.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Also if you think dragon age requires lots of horsepower watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSe_1cNPBeY

and that's even worse of a card.
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February 22, 2010 3:58:56 AM

ok you are right I didnt know the 4650 is so cheap but why not the 9600 gso/9500 gt also similar price? They do compete dont they?
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February 22, 2010 4:05:33 AM

He also said his monitor's resolution is 1600x900 and he wants to run the game at the highest settings possible and "futurize" his gaming capability. None of the cards you are recommending are good choices for him.
Also the video you posted is of Neverwinter Nights 2, not Dragon Age.
Honestly it doesn't seem like you know much about video cards. I'm sure you intentions are good but you should refrain from giving advice until you learn more.
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February 22, 2010 4:09:07 AM

Pershing121 said:
ok you are right I didnt know the 4650 is so cheap but why not the 9600 gso/9500 gt also similar price? They do compete dont they?

The 9600GSO is the best of those cards but there are many different versions of that card and the ones you linked are rather poor. A 9600 GSO with 96 shaders is a good choice for low resolutions but those aren't that card. If you are at all serious about gaming the minimum I would recommend is an HD4670 and only for monitors 1280x1024 and below. It won't be great but it will be good and will make all games playable at those resolutions on decently high settings.
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February 22, 2010 5:26:10 AM

if u wanna think about future.. u should get i5 750 for your processor, hell.. even now Dragon Age runs better with triple/quad cores, i'm using phenom II X3 720 + 4870 and it runs very smooth...

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,698761/Dragon-Age-Or...

for the graphics card i recommend 5770 if u can get it below $150, otherwise get 4870 (cheaper and better than 5770, without directx 11 and more power hungry)
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February 22, 2010 10:58:54 AM

DAO is hardly GPU limited; anything over a 9800GT is plenty. Based on what you've given, a 4850 makes the most sense. 5770 is a waste of cash at this point, and frankly, I don't see it ever putting up decent DX11 numbers. If you want to go the DX11 route, get at least a 5850.
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February 22, 2010 11:51:30 AM

Yeah, some nice choices there Saeltari.

Have fun with those, some good choices there.
all this talk of DA:o  is getting me tempted to grab a copy too!

Myabe I will pick up a copy when I get my new GFx card :D 

Let us know how you get on ;) 
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February 22, 2010 11:54:36 AM

LOL

sorry about that funny face!

I can't edit my posts though...
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February 22, 2010 8:24:28 PM

gamerk316 said:
DAO is hardly GPU limited; anything over a 9800GT is plenty. Based on what you've given, a 4850 makes the most sense. 5770 is a waste of cash at this point, and frankly, I don't see it ever putting up decent DX11 numbers. If you want to go the DX11 route, get at least a 5850.

Waste of cash why? It is about 25% more powerful than the HD4850. Your statement about DX11 is pure speculation at best, misinformation at worst.
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February 22, 2010 8:32:30 PM

Pailin said:
all this talk of DA:o  is getting me tempted to grab a copy too!

Myabe I will pick up a copy when I get my new GFx card :D 

It's a good game if you like that kind of thing(closest to it is probably NWN2)
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February 22, 2010 9:47:36 PM

Cool, was enjoying that...

...got distracted and still not finished that one - might have to get back to that one :) 
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February 22, 2010 10:01:49 PM

I never got through NWN2, just seemed like a BG knock-off, its nice that bioware finally made a decent second coming of BG.
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February 23, 2010 2:31:07 AM

charlesbego said:
if u wanna think about future.. u should get i5 750 for your processor, hell.. even now Dragon Age runs better with triple/quad cores, i'm using phenom II X3 720 + 4870 and it runs very smooth...

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,698761/Dragon-Age-Or...

for the graphics card i recommend 5770 if u can get it below $150, otherwise get 4870 (cheaper and better than 5770, without directx 11 and more power hungry)


ARE YOU FORGETING THE HD 5750? YOU CAN OVERCLOCK THAT BABY TO PERFORM NEAR A 5770!
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February 23, 2010 2:44:25 AM

arcticking said:
ARE YOU FORGETING THE HD 5750? YOU CAN OVERCLOCK THAT BABY TO PERFORM NEAR A 5770!


As can the 5770, which makes the point moot. The 5750 also has 80 less SPs and 4 less texture units, which makes it slower clock for clock and it has 150 MHz less on the core...
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February 23, 2010 2:57:15 AM

gamerk316 wrote :


DAO is hardly GPU limited; anything over a 9800GT is plenty. Based on what you've given, a 4850 makes the most sense. 5770 is a waste of cash at this point, and frankly, I don't see it ever putting up decent DX11 numbers. If you want to go the DX11 route, get at least a 5850.


In my place both 9800gt and 4850 are only $20 cheaper than 4870... so it's not an option, as for 5770 the performance will be the same (my 4870 doing excellent in full hd resolution with max setting and vertical sync on, and i like 5770 bcuz it's not power hungry

5850 is a waste, it's much more expensive (twice the 4870 price in my place), more power hungry, and u will not see the difference in performance without monitoring the fps
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February 23, 2010 10:54:53 AM

jyjjy said:
Waste of cash why? It is about 25% more powerful than the HD4850. Your statement about DX11 is pure speculation at best, misinformation at worst.


And for a cheper cost, you can get a 4890, which is a more powerful card overall. Basic economics.

As for DX11 numbers, look at Dirt2/AvP2 benchmarks on the 5770; FPS plummets on that card in the two games that make significant use of DX11. While the hit exists across the entire 5000 series, the hit is much less pronounced once you get above the 5770. [I believe Tesselation is the major cause of said hit, but don't have enough info to confirm that yet...]

Problem is, the 5850 is simply too expensive [points to 4890] to recommend at this juncture. And with so few DX11 games out, it makes more sense to stick with a proven card and wait to see if current cards are powerful enough.

Finally: The question is what card will play DAO well. I went with the best Price/Performance card on the market, the 4850, which is plenty for DAO.
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February 23, 2010 11:49:04 AM

people have already been selling their 1 week old 4890's to buy a DX11 card for AvP as the DX11 code path just is simply So much better looking!

You Are just plain wrong about 5770 AvP performance (please link me to your reviews):
(in this review they had a bug at time of writing where 5XXX series cards could not run DX9 so were tested seperately)

1920x1080 max settings:
4870 min21 avg42
4890 min24 avg47
285 min36 avg71

5770 min20 avg41
5850 min36 avg73
5870 min41 avg83


A 4890 is a really bad choice for someone looking to future proof their gaming and gets Very little more than the 5770 (12.8% avg at 1920x1080) even when it is running DX11 - so Almost no DX11 performace hit in AvP and hear many developers are adding DX11 to help increase performance...

Asus ATI Radeon HD 5770 £123 $189

Powercolor ATI Radeon HD 5850 "Dirt2 Edition" £209 $322

Sapphire HD5850 1GB VAPOR-X £218 $336
TOXIC = £230

Sapphire HD5870 £267 $411

Sapphire HD5870 VAPOR-X OC £291 $448 (1st image is wrong)

Some of The best Prices I have found in the UK atm as am looking myself...
Though I might hang around till this comes to market:

MSI 5870 Lightning
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