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April 23, 2010 9:46:27 PM

Previously i made a Topic about upgrading My Mobo and CPU. I stupidly marked best answer before i figured out i wasnt done.

I read the price for the Lower end Hexa core will be $195, is that what AMD is selling it to Stores for, or what stores are to sell it to us for?

Getting a new MOBO and CPU Next week (95% chance), This is MY setup.

E2200
Some Cheap Gigabyte Mobo (945GCM-S2C)
2X2 GB Corsair Ram 5-5-5-18 (6400)
500 Watt CoolMax psu
4850 Diamond Video Card
21" Monitor 1440x900

Do i need new ram if i get a new Mobo/cpu? Is it essential or just Recommended that i do?

What is the Estimated cost of a Mobo/Cpu (Cheap Crossfire MOBO ($300?))? I am number crunching and trying to figure out how much money i need and if i should go Quad Core or Hexa Core, This is a 2 Year investment like my E2200 was, served me well until about now, And this is a Moderate Semi Multitasking Gaming Machine.

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April 23, 2010 10:06:54 PM

The x6 1055T was supposed to be $199 but I read a few days ago that it is gonna go for $229 I am guessing AMD is doing that to avoid haveing to lower the price of the quad cores.

For motherboard and the new x6 your looking at $80 to $100 for the mobo and $229 for the x6 now you could find a motherboard that supports DDR2 RAM but I would recommend upgrading to DDR3 so that would be another $100 your looking at between $350 to $450 depending on which route you go. You could save about $80 if you decide to go with a quad core and get the x4 955BE.
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April 23, 2010 11:41:22 PM

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E2200
Some Cheap Gigabyte Mobo (945GCM-S2C)
2X2 GB Corsair Ram 5-5-5-18 (6400)
500 Watt CoolMax psu
4850 Diamond Video Card
21" Monitor 1440x900

Do i need new ram if i get a new Mobo/cpu? Is it essential or just Recommended that i do?

What is the Estimated cost of a Mobo/Cpu (Cheap Crossfire MOBO ($300?))? I am number crunching and trying to figure out how much money i need and if i should go Quad Core or Hexa Core, This is a 2 Year investment.............


No you don't need new RAM for the X6. But reusing your DDR2 would require you to use an AM2+ motherboard. So long as the manufacturer provides a bios update, and many have already, the X6 will work fine.


Assuming cash is tight, the board and cpu are all you really need. Just make sure your AM2+ board supports the x6
April 23, 2010 11:56:03 PM

So i have to have DDR3 for AM3, and DDR2 for AM2+? What if its a AM2+/AM3? So i kinda need new Ram with a new mobo?
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April 24, 2010 12:07:05 AM

thats ddr2 ram, you only need a cpu and mobo, if ur a cheapo like me, they made the 1035t for us shud b $170
April 24, 2010 12:28:49 AM

IDK what to do.

Either A. Get AM3 with Phenom X6 and new ram (about $400).
B. Get AM2+ Phenom X6 same ram (about $315).

My problem is i was hoping for a crossfire Mobo and AM2+ dont have any decent options, and AM3 is a little more expensive than id like.

I may change my mind on the Crossfire than, BUT, Is my Ram slow?
2X2 GB Corsair Ram 5-5-5-18 (6400)
Would DDR3 1333 (10600) Have a NOTICEABLE Improvement?

Trying to get Thuban while under $350.
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April 24, 2010 1:06:58 AM

personally I would go AM3 all the way. I don't know how much longer am2 boards will be viable as the market for them dwindle. Just like socket Am2 is pretty much a dead end the same will happen with am2+ eventually, imo, esp as the 'profitability' for ddr2 dries up.

Dont forget you can recoup some of the cost by selling your existing ram, motherboard, & processor
April 24, 2010 1:15:41 AM

So what would a E2200/Mobo/4 GB of ram be worth? Id say $75 since its used, almost better off selling the whole rig, and would be easier to sell.
April 24, 2010 1:34:34 AM

So which Mobo/ram Combo is best?

Ram and Mobo combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Or
Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Same price, Just cant tell which is better (unless they are equal).

Really skeptical about spending this much money though, $300 Plus tax was my intended budget. I might get That mobo and Ram and just put a Phenom X4 in it, But for $100 more the performance nearly doubles as a X6. Or a AM2+ same ram with X6.

Ok so i think im either gonna Go the AM3 with new ram and Phenom X4 Or AM2+ with Phenom X6. But than New ram would only cost me $50 more Considering if i sold my old ram it is probably worth $45-$55. Gah, minimum wage college student sucks.
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April 24, 2010 1:44:30 AM

I would ride it out with your 4850 for the time being it is still a great GPU and invest in the AM3 board and DDR3 in the long run this is really the way to go because any future processor will require DDR3 RAM. The Bulldozer which will come out next year is supposedly gonne be a new socket but will be backwards compatible with AM3 boards kinda like how an AM2+ will support AM3 cpus but the Bulldozer will only run on DDR3 so that is why I suggest going with DDR3.

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Really skeptical about spending this much money though, $300 Plus tax was my intended budget. I might get That mobo and Ram and just put a Phenom X4 in it, But for $100 more the performance nearly doubles as a X6. Or a AM2+ same ram with X6.

I think the Phenom x4 955BE is really the best buy and hopefully will drop in price a few dollars this will be plenty of power for the next year or so with a good GPU upgrade in the future and in a year or two when Bulldozer is out that would be a real upgrade. Dont get me wrong the Phenom II x6 will be an awesome processor but when it comes down to gaming the 955BE is the way to go. The performance will not double and in fact for gaming it isnt gonna do much better then the x4 955BE it should be about 50% faster in highly multi threaded apps that can take advantage of the extra cores. So you need to look at your software and your main uses for the system and make a choice but IMO get the AM3 mobo even if you have to use a slightly slower cheaper processor in the long run its the smartest choice.

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So which Mobo/ram Combo is best?



http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

The Timings are slightly slower on the ripjaws but it runs at 1.5 volt and I can grantee that you can tighten them timing with out a problem I am not to fond of those OCZ RAM I have heard some bad reviews of them.
April 24, 2010 2:16:28 AM

I dont intend on upgrading The CPU again for 2 Years, just like my E2200, this is actually about 28 Months for my CPU.

1 more question, How much difference in speed (FPS or percentage wise) will i see with the new ram?

2X2 GB Corsair Ram 5-5-5-18 (6400)
Versus
DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

I Really think it would be wiser and tons cheaper to keep my old Ram, But For $50 more it may be worth it. Not to mention ima get 8 GB of it later and speed would probably be a huge factor than (I wont get the Ram upgrade for at least a year as 4 GB is all i need for now).

You guys have been alot of help, Thanks
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April 24, 2010 2:35:40 AM

That is true but Like I said in 2 years if you get an AM3 board and DDR3 RAM you will be able to just drop in a new CPU and you would be good. AMD isnt like intel where they change their socket with every new CPU so getting the AM3 and DDR3 is really the best wisest upgrade you can do. And 8GB of RAM for most systems is absolutely pointless and will give no extra performance right now 4 GB is the sweet spot for RAM. Also the cost of DDR2 is actually about the same as DDR3 if not a little more expensive. Its like this spend now and save later.
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April 24, 2010 2:45:11 AM

ddr3 is the future, if you wanna do it, do it, and don't look back, want an xtra reason, ddr2 is 1.8v ddr3 is 1.5v, lower electricity bill, and the polar bears get to float on their melting icebergs for a little longer, one brand even has ultra low voltage ddr3 at 1.35 volts, so its open season
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April 24, 2010 3:03:33 AM

1055T costs about the same as i5-750 here in NZ. I would be really interested in getting one if it performs on par with 3.6GHz OCed i5-750 at its maximum OC with stock voltage. However, I doubt 1055T will be a good OCer as it is not a BLACK and AMD CPUs having much lower OCing headroom these days.
April 24, 2010 3:07:11 AM

You guys are right, So that Previous Mobo/Ram is what im getting, and a X6 Thuban if i can get my hands on one for less than $230 and in a week.

Now for the last Question, When will Newegg.com Have Phenom X6 on their site for Sell.
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April 24, 2010 3:08:48 AM

Yeah, the $250 and down range is getting really crowded these days, but with a lot of good CPUs, so I guess that is good.
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April 24, 2010 3:09:32 AM

I'd assume Newegg will have them very soon. Monday perhaps?
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April 24, 2010 3:11:30 AM

By "on par", I meant "as good in most common apps that utilize at most 2/3/4 cores".
April 24, 2010 3:14:21 AM

Amazon has them in Stock for $222, should i just buy it off Amazon before Stock dries up or wait and See if Newegg.com has them cheaper.
April 24, 2010 3:14:39 AM

The 1055T is going to kick all of the I5's @$$es. For about the same price.
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April 24, 2010 3:17:30 AM

I would wait until some benchmarks on it released by TOM/Anandtech prior to making the final conclusion and decision.
April 24, 2010 3:19:19 AM

Couldnt hurt i guess, its a $222 decision.
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April 24, 2010 3:22:15 AM

It would be a meh if it can only beat i5-750 in apps that utilize more than 4 cores, because most apps utilize at most 2/3/4 cores.
April 24, 2010 3:22:17 AM

How much will the Phenom II X6 1035T cost, if Phenom II X6 1055T Cost $222?

The 1035T might be a much better Deal.
April 24, 2010 3:24:08 AM

andy5174 said:
1055T costs about the same as i5-750 here in NZ. I would be really interested in getting one if it performs on par with 3.6GHz OCed i5-750 at its maximum OC with stock voltage. However, I doubt 1055T will be a good OCer as it is not a BLACK and AMD CPUs having much lower OCing headroom these days.


I wouldn't count out the overclocking potential of Thuban in general though. The c3 steppings of the 955's and 965's are known to get to 4 Ghz more or less as often as the c2 steppings hit 3.8ghz. Thuban is the new E0 (i believe its called E0) stepping with SOI. It should have a slight, mind you slight, ipc increase over current PIIs (due to SOI) as well as better overclocking potential. And some of them are rated at 95 watts TDP so heat shouldn't be a problem.

My prediction is that they will oc to 4.2 Ghz on big air
April 24, 2010 3:24:16 AM

Your right but how many apps are running right now?

I have 780 Threads right now with 55 processes just while surfing internet.
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April 24, 2010 3:31:22 AM

chaosgs said:
How much will the Phenom II X6 1035T cost, if Phenom II X6 1055T Cost $222?

The 1035T might be a much better Deal.

PII-X6 will DEFINITELY be a much better deal after a few years when most apps start utilizing 6 cores.

But for now, PII-X6 will lose to i5-750 or better Intel CPUs due to its lower OCing potential and lower IPC if PII-X6 is nothing more than a PII-X4 with 2 extra cores added.
April 24, 2010 3:43:25 AM

When i bought my Dual core, Quad core was high end and Higher clocked Dual cores were preferred over Quad Cores. Now Quads are Mainstream and Dual Cores are Low end. See the pattern and progression. The cheapest Quad Intel ever released Q6600 is still a great gaming processor and will continue to do so for another year or 2. This 1055T is the new Q6600. It will last for along time. I just wish i hadda bought my Q6600 instead of my Dual core.
April 24, 2010 3:44:38 AM

andy5174 said:
PII-X6 will DEFINITELY be a much better deal after a few years when most apps start utilizing 6 cores.

But for now, PII-X6 will lose to i5-750 or better Intel CPUs due to its lower OCing potential and lower IPC if PII-X6 is nothing more than a PII-X4 with 2 extra cores added.

He was comparing the 1035T to a 1055T.
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April 24, 2010 3:45:04 AM

@yannifb:

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The c3 steppings of the 955's and 965's are known to get to 4 Ghz more or less as often as the c2 steppings hit 3.8ghz.

I have heard many C3 owners complaining that they couldn't reach 4GHz, so I think this well known information is incorrect.

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My prediction is that they(PII-X6) will oc to 4.2 Ghz on big air

I don't think so, because even the 32nm i7-980X can merely do around this value.
In addition, 1055T is NOT a Black Edition and so I expect it to OC even lower than PII-955.

Of course, this is just my thought. I can't wait to see how PII-X6 comes out in TOM/Anandtech's benchmark.
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April 24, 2010 3:45:43 AM

chaosgs said:
When i bought my Dual core, Quad core was high end and Higher clocked Dual cores were preferred over Quad Cores. Now Quads are Mainstream and Dual Cores are Low end. See the pattern and progression. The cheapest Quad Intel ever released Q6600 is still a great gaming processor and will continue to do so for another year or 2. This 1055T is the new Q6600. It will last for along time. I just wish i hadda bought my Q6600 instead of my Dual core.

Q6600 actually lost to high end dual core with much higher cost when it was just released.

In addition, much better and cheaper quad cores were released by the time Q6600 beat high end dual core in SOME games.
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April 24, 2010 3:56:11 AM

yannifb said:
Also here's some evidence of Thuban reaching 4.2Ghz

http://forum.coolaler.com/showpost.php?p=2601846&postco...

The picture is down near the middle. Though the source can't be considered 100% valid, its the only one i know that shows a Thuban oc.

The PII-X6 used in that benchmark is a BLACK one. In addition, 4.2GHz PII-X6 would still lose to 3.6GHz+ i5-750 or i7 in most common apps which use at most 4 cores if PII-X6 is nothing more than a PII-X4 with 2 extra cores added.
April 24, 2010 4:39:45 AM

I seen few pics showing thuban going to 4.2 ghz on another forum where people in other countries where able to snag one before the release date.
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April 24, 2010 8:08:59 AM

andy5174 said:
The PII-X6 used in that benchmark is a BLACK one. In addition, 4.2GHz PII-X6 would still lose to 3.6GHz+ i5-750 or i7 in most common apps which use at most 4 cores if PII-X6 is nothing more than a PII-X4 with 2 extra cores added.

so basically what you are saying is if you take the x6 and pretend its an x4, intel will win? Wow thats impressive ..
your second point is completely false. Its a phenom II core yes, but it has lower power consumption, overclocks higher (due to refined 45nm process,) and has its own overclocking built in for those that don't manually OC. Nothing more than a PII-X4? hardly.
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April 24, 2010 8:36:09 AM

chaosgs said:
So i have to have DDR3 for AM3, and DDR2 for AM2+? What if its a AM2+/AM3? So i kinda need new Ram with a new mobo?


Yes, AM3 boards use DDR3 (thats the 3 in AM3). AM2+ boards use DDR2 (yes the 2 in AM2+ indicates DDR2). But that is about the only difference. AM3 cpu chips work in AM2+ boards by design, as they include a memory controller which can read DDR2 or DDR3. This includes the Thuban X6 processors.

Remember, the memory controller is on the cpu. As a result, AM2 and AM2+ cpu's will not work in AM3 motherboards as these chips have a controller which works only with DDR2.

When it says AM2+/AM3, it is just an AM2+ board. Its the manufacturers/resellers way of relaying to less tech savvy customers that the board will accept AM2+ or AM3 cpu's.
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April 24, 2010 8:43:12 AM

saaiello said:
I would ride it out with your 4850 for the time being it is still a great GPU and invest in the AM3 board and DDR3 in the long run this is really the way to go because any future processor will require DDR3 RAM. The Bulldozer which will come out next year is supposedly gonne be a new socket but will be backwards compatible with AM3 boards kinda like how an AM2+ will support AM3 cpus but the Bulldozer will only run on DDR3 so that is why I suggest going with DDR3.


He can worry about DDR3 when he needs it. He is on a budget. Pie in the sky projections about what he may or may not want or need 2 years from now are pointless for a low income college student.

AMD has not said that Bulldozer will only work with DDR3. Not sure where you got that.
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April 24, 2010 8:46:40 AM

xaira said:
ddr3 is the future, if you wanna do it, do it, and don't look back, want an xtra reason, ddr2 is 1.8v ddr3 is 1.5v, lower electricity bill, and the polar bears get to float on their melting icebergs for a little longer, one brand even has ultra low voltage ddr3 at 1.35 volts, so its open season


I hope that was a joke. He is definitely going to save the planet with the 0.3 volt savings. Neither he nor his electric bill are going to notice that difference. :pt1cable: 
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April 24, 2010 8:57:57 AM

andy5174 said:
1055T costs about the same as i5-750 here in NZ. I would be really interested in getting one if it performs on par with 3.6GHz OCed i5-750 at its maximum OC with stock voltage. However, I doubt 1055T will be a good OCer as it is not a BLACK and AMD CPUs having much lower OCing headroom these days.


They clock to about the same point. The Phenoms just start at a higher clock speed.

I expect the X6 to overclock to about the same point as the C3 phenoms as they include significant stepping improvements.

It should match or beat the I5 750 clock for clock. It will be much like the Tri cores vs the core 2 duo. More threaded stuff will favor the X6, lesser threaded stuff will favor the I5. But they will be in striking range of each other.
April 24, 2010 9:12:03 AM

Gigabyte and ASUS make an AM3 motherboard that uses DDR2. ASUS M4A785D-M PRO and Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-UD2H. Bob's your uncle.
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April 24, 2010 9:39:45 AM

noob2222 said:
1. so basically what you are saying is if you take the x6 and pretend its an x4, intel will win? Wow thats impressive ..
your second point is completely false. 2. Its a phenom II core yes, but it has lower power consumption, overclocks higher (due to refined 45nm process,) and has its own overclocking built in for those that don't manually OC. Nothing more than a PII-X4? hardly.

1. You don't get it, do you? What benefit do you get from 6-core AMD if it loses to 4-core Intel in 99% apps which utilize at most 4 core? Isn't performance boost the reason why you want a 6-core?

2. Yes, PII-X6 is with revised 45nm process, but remember that it has 2 more cores and so it won't OC higher! (24/7 stable OC instead of unstable benchmarking OC is considered.)
FYI, the 6-core i7-980X is with 32nm which is much better than any revised 45nm, but it only OC a little higher (if not the same) than the 45nm 4-core i7s.

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They clock to about the same point. The Phenoms just start at a higher clock speed.

I expect the X6 to overclock to about the same point as the C3 phenoms as they include significant stepping improvements.

It should match or beat the I5 750 clock for clock. It will be much like the Tri cores vs the core 2 duo. More threaded stuff will favor the X6, lesser threaded stuff will favor the I5. But they will be in striking range of each other.

That's what I was talking about again and again and some peoples like noob2222 just don't get it.

BTW, PII-X6 will not match or beat i5-750 clock for clock(IPC) if no surprise. I am sure that X6 will beat i5-750 in apps that utilize more than 4 cores, but that's because it has 2 more cores instead of higher IPC.
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April 24, 2010 9:44:57 AM

Double posted...
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April 24, 2010 1:27:48 PM

yannifb said:
My prediction is that they will oc to 4.2 Ghz on big air



You should prepare to be extremely disapointed.
April 24, 2010 4:35:00 PM

BadTrip said:
You should prepare to be extremely disapointed.

Its not like im buying it, im just saying. But who knows.
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April 24, 2010 5:45:36 PM

I am not attacking you or the product, but I have very serious doubts it will hit 4GHZ on air.
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April 24, 2010 8:23:11 PM

he said 4.2GHZ on air, he didnt say how many cores would be at 4.2 ghz ; )
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April 24, 2010 8:26:30 PM

+1

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