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H100 or Watercooling Kit: What is the least expensive?

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November 23, 2012 7:42:01 AM

The title says it all really, I'm a complete water cooling noob. I was interested in buying the H100 because it's efficient and easy to set up but I hear water cooling is far better and cheaper.

Is this true? Also what parts do I need to buy for a complete kit?

Thanks
a b K Overclocking
November 23, 2012 8:17:32 AM

Proper watercooling is better, but no way near cheaper. Honestly, the best Air cooler (DH-14) destroys a CLC (H100), and there's no risk. The H100 is more aesthetically pleasing though.
November 23, 2012 8:48:04 AM

From all the benchmarks I've looked at the Silver Arrow is a little better than the DH-14, and the H100 always beats the Silver Arrow by a little too.

What benchmarks have you looked at that show the DH-14 beating the H100?
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a b K Overclocking
November 23, 2012 8:55:00 AM

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1801/12/

Here we're pretty much comparing the dead silent DH-14 to the loudest H100 setting. It beats it on low, but barely, and the usability of the DH-14 is much better. When I say it crushes it, I mean overall, not in performance. I would much rather a DH-14 than a H100, although I might get a H100 later this year for aesthetic reasons :) 
November 23, 2012 9:00:14 AM

But lets say I put some Noctua silent fans on the H100. Would that make it overall a better choice? Unless of course one is short of money.
November 23, 2012 9:13:30 AM

JJ1217 said:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1801/12/

Here we're pretty much comparing the dead silent DH-14 to the loudest H100 setting. It beats it on low, but barely, and the usability of the DH-14 is much better. When I say it crushes it, I mean overall, not in performance. I would much rather a DH-14 than a H100, although I might get a H100 later this year for aesthetic reasons :) 


You say 'crushes it' when it actually loses to it in performance...

The DH-14 is massive, you very possibly block *2 ram slots* with it and its only slightly cheaper for something that is massive and will block general case airflow.

6 degrees cooler under load is a massive difference in cooling. I would say the H100 'crushes' it. And we're not even considering the new H100i.
November 23, 2012 9:20:41 AM

What? There's a new one?!

*Rushes to google*
November 23, 2012 6:30:30 PM

I will say this once and only once, all-in-one water coolers are not worth the cost. Buy a proper water cooling kit, or buy an air cooler. Proper water cooling kits are usually $200+ in cost. The best air coolers are maybe $100, and they are much better than the all-in-one sets.
November 25, 2012 6:44:52 AM

Hilo1222 said:
I will say this once and only once, all-in-one water coolers are not worth the cost. Buy a proper water cooling kit, or buy an air cooler. Proper water cooling kits are usually $200+ in cost. The best air coolers are maybe $100, and they are much better than the all-in-one sets.


I'll take your advice and buy a proper water cooling kit.

Is this a good one? http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=buy+pc+water...
a c 149 K Overclocking
November 25, 2012 7:08:07 AM

childofthetao said:
But lets say I put some Noctua silent fans on the H100. Would that make it overall a better choice? Unless of course one is short of money.

Now look at the price of those Noctua fans and the H100.

That right there is already an entry level watercooling kit.
November 25, 2012 7:27:37 AM

Yeah I know, that's why I'm going for a real water cooler.

Does anyone know if the Zalman Reserator 2 is available in England? I can't find it anywhere.
a c 149 K Overclocking
November 25, 2012 7:53:19 AM

Please don't get any of the reserators.
November 25, 2012 8:17:07 AM

amuffin said:
Please don't get any of the reserators.


Oh, I take it they suck?

What's a good water cooler for £150 ($240)?
a c 149 K Overclocking
November 25, 2012 8:19:42 AM

Do you have any of the XSPC RS kits?
November 25, 2012 8:25:25 AM

amuffin said:
Do you have any of the XSPC RS kits?


Yes I've found several. The RX480 is £112. Is the RX480 the best one?
November 25, 2012 8:31:38 AM

Forget that, it was just a radiator. I found the Xspc Raystorm 750 Rs360 full kit for almost £150. Is that a good one?
a b K Overclocking
November 25, 2012 9:28:29 AM

Oh my lord. (Child of the path)If you thinking about water cooling please for the love of all the you hold dear read the stickys.
And BTW the H 100 is a fine top of the line cpu cooler. Its no anywhere near as good as a full real water cooling loop but for 100 dollars its a small taste, of what you can really achieve and do with water cooling. and if you upgrade one day as long as you use a coolant and not distilled water you can use it in your first real loop.



Edit; i said coolant because the h100 is an aluminum rad which will cause corrosion on distilled water so if you ever mixed matched stuff you want to use it.
a c 168 K Overclocking
November 25, 2012 9:55:51 AM

Using that exact kit in my rig, its pretty nice having idle temps dictated by ambient temperatures.
If you can afford it get the EX360 kit, better radiator. You will also need a decent case to support that Triple Radiator.

Though I will say the pump does vibrate a lot, so secure (preferably padded) mounting is a must. I'm unlucky in that I can only properly secure one side of it due to the way my case is designed, and it lets off a constant drone. All my fans inside the case are dead silent, but that dang pump.

Also Distilled water is exactly what you want to use, Coolant is expensive and pointless. Its only advantage is its anti-microbial, which is can easily be done with Distilled (either through a Kill-Coil, chemical agent or UV light).

EDIT: Read the watercooling sticky at the top and do yet more research on top of that. Its all well and good us telling what to do, but it is much better if you understand why. It will also give you a better idea of how to do things when you eventually want to upgrade the loop (your probably objecting right now, just as I did. It will happen, believe me).
November 25, 2012 3:32:33 PM

I'm starting on my next build with a Swiftech h20-x20, it's a great system. You can find it on frozen cpu. Remember that when you set up your kit, you need a silver kill coil.
a b K Overclocking
November 25, 2012 5:58:53 PM

XSPC RASA RX240 ...NUFF said...$169.00
a c 324 K Overclocking
November 25, 2012 8:33:24 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/277130-29-read-first-watercooling-sticky#t1992132

Quote:

Recommended Watercooling Kits


The following are common recommendations for entry-level watercooling. Most are aimed at the beginner, but all offer very good to exceptional performance for the price. They include everything you'll need in a single box...just add water. Most, if not all, have the ability to expand into larger, custom loops capable of supporting multiple radiators and the addition of one or more GPU blocks.

See the list of online retailers for availability and pricing.

XSPC Rasa RS/RX 240/360
Older XSPC CPU-only kit utilizing their RS and RX series radiators in 240/360 versions coupled with their X20 750 (750 l/h [12.5 lpm]) bay/pump/res combo. There are also 120 versions, but they utilize the weaker X20 200 (200 l/h [3.33 lpm]) and aren't typically recommended except in very SFF cases. The X20 750 is a decent flowing pump and good for a CPU only loop, or even with a video card block and additional radiator, but once you start to consider multiple video card blocks, you should likely consider a better pump.

These kits are easy to setup and maintain and have used 7/16" ID tubing and fittings out of the box. The Rasa block is a very good performer in terms of CPU blocks, and the RX radiator series is excellent for price and performance. The RS rad series has since been replaced with the EX series rads, but do offer good performance for the price. It should be noted that there are updated versions to these kits that utilize an XSPC bay res combo with either a D5 or DDC pump (for additional cost).
Rasa RX360 (link)

XSPC Raystorm EX/RX 240/360 & EX240/420
The successor to the Rasa kits, the Raystorm kits use the XSPC Raystorm CPU block which currently is one of the best price/peformance/flow blocks on the market. They use the same X20 750 pump as the Rasa kits, but only are available with the EX or RX radiators. Like the Rasa kit upgrades, there are alsoD5 and DDC combo res/pump configurations for these as well (for additional cost).
Raystorm EX280 w/D5 (link)


EK H30 LTX 240/260
The EK LTX kits offer a very good performing LTX water block, Jingway/EK-rebranded pump with mounted cylinder reservoir and EK Coolstream XT rads (240 or 360) which are very good performers.
EK H30 LTX (link)

EK H30 HFX 240/260
The HFX kits utilize the Supreme HF block and the same Jingway/EK-rebrand pump/res components as well as the XTX series Coolstream rads which are EK's top performing rad series.
EK H30 HFX (link)

Swiftech 220/320 Edge
The Edge kits are based on the the Apogee CPU blocks and DDC built-in pump to the MCR radiator/res combo (MCP35x pump w/native PWM). While the Apogee is a bit older, yet still very capable block, the MCP35x is a very solid performing pump. The MCR radiators are on-par with XSPC RS series rads; good performance and decent price.
Swiftech Edge (link)

Swiftech 220/320 Drive
The Swiftech Drive is a CPU block/pump unit that combines an Apogee CPU block and MCP35x pump into a small package combo that is typically sold separately but can also be bundled with an MCR radiator.
Swiftech Apogee Drive (link)

Swiftech 220/320 Ultima
Swiftech Ultima kits feature the Apogee CPU block, MCR radiator series, Swiftech micro res and a D5 pump.
Swiftech Ultima (link)

Asetek WaterChill (mostly outdated)
November 26, 2012 11:59:57 AM

Thanks for all the help, but I have one last question:

How do I know what cases the RS/EX360 will fit in?
a c 168 K Overclocking
November 26, 2012 7:18:05 PM

If you have two 5.25" bays and a mount for a triple radiator, you can fit it.
You will likely need a fairly large case, my HAF-X is a large case and the triple rad just squeezes in there.
a b K Overclocking
November 28, 2012 3:18:31 AM

Agree with manofchalk I did the 420mm 3x140mm fit just fine a little bit of light case modding like drilling holes and cutting/bending drive bay fins.
November 28, 2012 4:56:59 AM

Do you think I could fit the RS/EX360 into a HAF XB?
a c 168 K Overclocking
November 28, 2012 5:08:45 AM

You couldnt mount a 360mm radiator in it (without modding the case or mounting externally). What I can see is a 240mm rad at the front of the case, a 120mm at the back and a 200mm square rad at the top.
For a CPU only loop, 240mm will be enough.
November 28, 2012 11:16:55 AM

I've decided to go with the Xigmatek Elysium. I don't think I'll have any problems with that right?
a c 168 K Overclocking
November 28, 2012 11:30:10 AM

Can fit a 360mm radiator at the top, a 240mm at the bottom, a 120mm at the back, 200mm square rad on the side.
Think your covered on radiator compatibility :lol: .
Though whether the case itself is any good is unknown, I'l do a bit of research and find out. But not now, its 12:30pm here in Australia and my bed beckons.
November 28, 2012 9:49:43 PM

Thanks for the help, I like the fact that the Elysium has ten fan connectors in it. The mother board I'm getting only has four, but I'll using at least ten fans. Four connected to the motherboard and controlled via software, and six on the RS360.
a c 149 K Overclocking
November 28, 2012 10:30:49 PM

childofthetao said:
Do you think I could fit the RS/EX360 into a HAF XB?

My next case would be a HAF XB.... :D 

I'd be able to stick my 240mm in the front and my 120mm in the back. :) 
a b K Overclocking
November 30, 2012 3:45:39 AM

My next case would be the EREBUS XL if it was sold case only it easily supports 10x120
480 top 240 rear 240 bottom and 240 front all at once with room to spare.
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