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Fans of GF100 "Fermi"

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February 8, 2010 11:06:46 PM

In a few months time we will see this GPU on the market. This is supposedly more powerful than the 5870 and positioned to take on 5970.

Do you think it would have been worth the one year wait since the release of the upgraded GTX285 from the GTX280? Price points and what can Nvidia offer after the long wait?

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February 9, 2010 12:42:41 AM

I have a feeling that this post is going to be flame-bait. Like you said it will depend on the performance and price point of the GTX480 and 470. As well as its heat and efficiency compare to ATI's current offerings. The supply of the cards will also be very important. I believe that Fermi will be powerful certainly more powerful than the GTX285, but at what cost? I guess we'll see in a couple of months.
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February 9, 2010 12:45:50 AM

Another Fermi thread? By liquid again? Your "Fans of PhysX" and Fermi threads didn't turn out well, I think you are spamming question threads to gain a lot of points.
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February 9, 2010 12:49:32 AM

Don't spam.
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February 9, 2010 1:20:28 AM

sabot00 said:
Another Fermi thread? By liquid again? Your "Fans of PhysX" and Fermi threads didn't turn out well, I think you are spamming question threads to gain a lot of points.


No. I just like to see what other people think other than the ones that post on the Tom's articles. Plus once the article is replaced by another one, people tend to refer to fourms as well for personal and sometimes more biased opinions. They can also opt to read non-biased reviews as well.

If you see, the PhysX thread did have many valid points and several posters/ppl learned things as did I. You even posted your thoughts(sarcastic) and experiances there. Some of these posts can be useful for new readers or for ppl interested on that specific/certain topic. It can also aid or help form ideas and improve on the basic computer/IT knowledge one has. Isnt this the whole point of the TOMs site?

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February 9, 2010 1:23:19 AM

Roughly, I thought the new Fermi was going to be 15% maybe 20%ish faster than the 5870

Certainly not a contender for the 5970...
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February 9, 2010 1:25:32 AM

liquidsnake718 said:
No. I just like to see what other people think other than the ones that post on the Tom's articles. Plus once the article is replaced by another one, people tend to refer to fourms as well for personal and sometimes more biased opinions. They can also opt to read non-biased reviews as well.

If you see, the PhysX thread did have many valid points and several posters/ppl learned things as did I. You even posted your thoughts(sarcastic) and experiances there. Some of these posts can be useful for new readers or for ppl interested on that specific/certain topic. It can also aid or help form ideas and improve on the basic computer/IT knowledge one has. Isnt this the whole point of the TOMs site?

So this thread is to supplement the Fermi release article which has yet to be published because the card is not released yet ?
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February 9, 2010 2:17:35 AM

notty22 said:
So this thread is to supplement the Fermi release article which has yet to be published because the card is not released yet ?


Yes,a suppliment for what Nvidia does not currently have for us in terms of information and specs.... Their marketing team is too hush hush that it makes some wonder if:

a) Their product will truly change the way GPUs are used(possibly smaller area size, low low power reqs).
b) They have a new technology or perhaps a updated and upgraded version of an older tech that TRULY utilizes the cards power and architecture (i.e. new Hybrid SLI, or use of PhysX in a positive way).
c) They are truly lost in the GPU playing feild and are scramling NOT to REBRAND and one up ATi.
d) They are trying to cut costs and at the same time allow us to have a great new gpu for the price of a current GTX285 or GTX295.
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February 9, 2010 2:21:09 AM

Hmm, those are awfully optimistic. My mind drifts back to the 2900XT's release for some reason.
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February 9, 2010 3:05:05 AM

I'm with notty on this one, how can one be a fan of something that we have no information about and only theories as to its performance and specs?

Well I guess I'll give my thoughts just be nice.

Fermi wont change much, it will likely add price points and not take over many. That said it should be pretty close to the 5970, and if at the same or lower price, the GTX 480 should be a great buy. The GTX 470 is a mystery as the space that it can hold isn't very large and it won't likely provide much incentive over anything else. Regardless, Fermi with equal competition, which is something I can't wait for.

But to be honest, no one knows whether it will another 2900 XT (useless), a 4870 (budget king), or a 8800 GTX (performance crown).
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February 9, 2010 11:53:55 AM

Yep, the only one I find hard to see happening is budget king, because for NVidia to price it low it would have to be either very cheap to produce (which from the known specs isn't likely) or extremely bad performing (which I doubt, and even then they might not drop prices that much). And ATI can lower prices a bit if need be as well. But in terms of performance? No clue. We know it will have quite a bit of power, but as to whether that power will directly help games is unknown.
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February 9, 2010 12:02:08 PM

In my Opinion
470 = 5850
480 = 5870
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February 9, 2010 12:03:02 PM

I'm waiting for FERMI
HOOOOOOORAHHHHHHH
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February 9, 2010 1:02:38 PM

i would have been a fan if they didn't cripple the desktop variants double precision compute power (what was that figure, 1/4 the speed), though i am a little optimistic about native c++ support
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February 9, 2010 2:46:15 PM

EXT64 said:
Yep, the only one I find hard to see happening is budget king, because for NVidia to price it low it would have to be either very cheap to produce (which from the known specs isn't likely) or extremely bad performing (which I doubt, and even then they might not drop prices that much). And ATI can lower prices a bit if need be as well. But in terms of performance? No clue. We know it will have quite a bit of power, but as to whether that power will directly help games is unknown.


It wouldn't surprise me to see the GTX 470 10% over and the GTX 480 at a 10% under 5870 and 5970 respectively. If the GTX 470 outperforms the 5870 by even a little, it won't be a bad deal. If the GTX 480 can come close to the 5970 it will be a great deal. The problem? Those prices will bleed nVidia dry, but they are set to make all there money on Tegra anyway.

mfarrukh said:
In my Opinion
470 = 5850
480 = 5870


If that is true the Fermi is an 2900 XT, because they won't be able to keep the prices that low. A more likely scenario:

GTX 470 >= 5870

GTX 480 <= 5970

But who knows, things could go your way or a totally different one, we just don't have the information.
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February 9, 2010 2:51:47 PM

I want some healthy competition, I really want the fermi based cards to be powerful and affordable, as I am no fanboy, and would gladly take a well priced Nvidia card. I just don't believe this can be possible, atm. I sincerely hope my gut feelings are wrong, if only to help PC gaming out with a fantastic price war on 5xxx like how the 4xxx broke the budget market.

I want more of my friends to build nice gaming rigs, not many of my RL friends deviate from their consoles.
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February 9, 2010 7:18:56 PM

Well, by budget king I didn't mean competitively priced, I meant more like the 4800 release which sent NVidia's prices into freefall. That I don't see happening, but a reasonably priced and well performing Fermi is a definite possibility. I don't think NVidia feels they need to gain marketshare and I'm sure they want to make money, so I'd guess they would price it where they think it is competitive rather than undercutting the 5800s.
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February 9, 2010 7:44:01 PM

I hope the Fermi chips are good, so AMD will lower prices, but i ahve a nasty feeling it may not happen. I think FERMI is gonna be to expensive for its preformace, and Nvidia will be forec to cut GTX 285 ptices to 200$ and EOL GTX 280,275 and price gtx 260 at 125$ to reamin competive.
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February 9, 2010 7:47:59 PM

EXT64 said:
Well, by budget king I didn't mean competitively priced, I meant more like the 4800 release which sent NVidia's prices into freefall. That I don't see happening, but a reasonably priced and well performing Fermi is a definite possibility. I don't think NVidia feels they need to gain marketshare and I'm sure they want to make money, so I'd guess they would price it where they think it is competitive rather than undercutting the 5800s.


I don't think they could gain market share with fermi if they wanted to.. Unless they price it low enough Dell replaces thier gt310's with it :D 

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February 9, 2010 7:58:38 PM

Let this thread die, it's asking for fans of an yet-unreleased GPU, with unknown performance, using an imaginary amount of power, while outputting a undiscovered heat.
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February 9, 2010 8:15:29 PM

sabot00 said:
Let this thread die, it's asking for fans of an yet-unreleased GPU, with unknown performance, using an imaginary amount of power, while outputting a undiscovered heat.


Well I must say, when you put it like that I'm more interested in figure out fermi than I have been up until now!
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February 9, 2010 8:18:23 PM

I have a way with words.
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February 9, 2010 8:21:49 PM

If my heater ever breaks, i can just take the cover off my case and use a Fermi chip to heat my house.
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February 9, 2010 8:27:18 PM

builderbobftw said:
If my heater ever breaks, i can just take the cover off my case and use a Fermi chip to heat my house.


Don't do that, you may get burns from infrared radiation. Keep the case on and watch the distorted, super-heated air exit your case.

Wait, we talking about P4s or fermi?
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February 9, 2010 8:44:18 PM

No, no.

P4's were for cooking with, not heating your home.
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February 9, 2010 8:51:52 PM

Gotta love them double chezzboogies
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February 9, 2010 9:24:39 PM

Kewlx25 said:
Don't do that, you may get burns from infrared radiation. Keep the case on and watch the distorted, super-heated air exit your case.

Wait, we talking about P4s or fermi?

Well, if we were to make a system using both, we proably wouldn't run into any bottlenecks.
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February 9, 2010 9:39:25 PM

You could say that the heat given off by these isn't really waste...it's just waiting to be reused.

Fermi ftw, next ice age.
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February 9, 2010 11:47:04 PM

Since when did they rename it GTX480 and GTX470? Last I read from an actual article it was GF100.... which at the time I found odd..... so now they are skipping the 300number alltogether?
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February 9, 2010 11:51:30 PM

According to a twitter message from an nvidia spokeperson they are skipping the 3xx for the high end parts at least.

There was a topic about it here as well as front page news.
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February 9, 2010 11:52:06 PM

liquidsnake718 said:
Since when did they rename it GTX480 and GTX470? Last I read from an actual article it was GF100.... which at the time I found odd..... so now they are skipping the 300number alltogether?

Eight days ago.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=668
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February 10, 2010 2:24:30 PM

liquidsnake718 said:
Since when did they rename it GTX480 and GTX470? Last I read from an actual article it was GF100.... which at the time I found odd..... so now they are skipping the 300number alltogether?




The GTX 360 will be an OEM Gtx 260 core 216, etc etc.
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February 10, 2010 2:33:20 PM

Considering paper launch is a month away, I dare say it is going to be late, maybe very late. Performance, thermal issues, cost are all pure speculation at this point.
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February 11, 2010 7:17:39 AM

brett1042002 said:
^ This , lmao.

haha straight from national Geographic
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June 29, 2010 3:16:28 AM

Now that its out, whats the verdict? No its not too early to tell either as its been out for some time now and Ati seems to still be doing well in terms of sales and preformance/updates
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June 29, 2010 3:20:05 AM

Did you forget your medication today ?
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June 29, 2010 3:38:08 AM

It's amusing looking at this thread now and seeing who was close and who was way off the mark :lol:  kudos should go to mfarrukh though as I reckon he was the only one who was about bang on, unlike some of the self proclaimed experts who were way off with the fairies.
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June 29, 2010 7:56:24 PM

I was debating between the 5850 and the GTX 470, considering slightly better performance and features for slightly more money. However, just as my 4870x2 died, Newegg had a special discount for HardOCP forum readers which put my price down below the 5850 prices at $283. I snatched that up that day. Then today, I found out that there is an additional $20 mail in rebate. I'm so all over that.

I have been slightly disappointed with my gtx 470, though. While it is faster than the 4870x2 (that card had issues before it died) smoky textures, like in World of Warcraft portals in Violet Hold, and the aura around my pally's horse, are splotchy and ugly. Instead of a gradual fade to completely gone, it has clear gradient lines and splotchy color. Its quite annoying. I've been second guessing my choice now.
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July 15, 2010 7:44:55 AM

dgingeri said:
I was debating between the 5850 and the GTX 470, considering slightly better performance and features for slightly more money. However, just as my 4870x2 died, Newegg had a special discount for HardOCP forum readers which put my price down below the 5850 prices at $283. I snatched that up that day. Then today, I found out that there is an additional $20 mail in rebate. I'm so all over that.

I have been slightly disappointed with my gtx 470, though. While it is faster than the 4870x2 (that card had issues before it died) smoky textures, like in World of Warcraft portals in Violet Hold, and the aura around my pally's horse, are splotchy and ugly. Instead of a gradual fade to completely gone, it has clear gradient lines and splotchy color. Its quite annoying. I've been second guessing my choice now.

It wasntclear in the middle whether you got a 5850 or 470 but I guess you ended upgetting the 470... you should have just bought the 5850. Its price/preformance ratio is superior and in crossfire its also great.
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July 15, 2010 7:46:21 AM

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July 15, 2010 12:05:50 PM

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