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February 10, 2010 2:30:35 AM

With one Gig of RAM, the old 1.7 GHz desktop is getting a bit slow. Its subpar ATI 9250 doesn't handle a lot of the latest AVIs and MKVs very well (which is all I really want it for).

The tech guy at Fry's said for an AGP machine, I should grab one of the GeForce 7000 cards at around $50-$60 bucks, which is in my budget. But they require a 300 watt power supply (mine is 250 watts). 3 Questions.

1. Any chance a 250 watt supply will work?

2. What is a good alternative card?

3. How difficult would it be and how much would it cost to put a 300 watt supply into it? BTW, it's a Dell.

Bonus Question!!! Just out of curiosity, how much faster would the 7000 be than the NVidia ti 4600 that served me well but burned out a few years ago?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 3:55:05 AM

I would save the money and plan for a new computer. I wouldn't chance the card on your PSU, but you'll end up spending around $100 which would be better saved for a new comp. The 7000 series should be significantly faster than a ti4600, but would be painfully slower than even a low end card now.
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February 11, 2010 4:08:14 AM

Thanks for the advice. I've got a hot laptop for the fun stuff and the desktop (the computer in question) has 3 hard drives and serves as more of a storage device with occasional viewing of AVIs etc, and image editing.

Worth noting that anything new would use Windows 7, which is okay, but loves to hide online content from the user. i might as well keep one XP machine while it lasts. Switching cards should be fairly painless.

Just checked Fry's and they have a $40 Nvidia 5500 with 256 mb DDR, VGA out. It only needs a 250 watt PS.

BTW, I should have never bought that ATI 9250. What a piece of junk.

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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 11:55:45 AM

A 6600gt or a 7300gs/gt agp would suit you well enough.
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a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 12:20:48 PM

Don't buy the FX5500 ! - The FX5xxx series have a weird implementation of the shader model 2 shaders (Nvidia tweaked them to get higher benchmarks scores back when they released and as a result they cause all kinds of stability issues and run very poorly in games !! (Bethesda even had to go back and add a Very LOW quality setting to Oblivion in order to allow them to play the game after release due to them listing it as supported on the release notes and it still barely runs the game )
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February 11, 2010 3:45:42 PM

"A 6600gt or a 7300gs/gt agp would suit you well enough."

and

"Don't buy the FX5500"

Sounds like good advice shaping up. Unfortunately the 6600 requires a Pentium III and a 300 W PSU. Not being an expert on hardware, I assume that it will blow up my PII with a 250 PSU.

Heartbreaking about the 5500. I was just about ready to go out and buy it. Keep in mind, I gave up gaming after a couple of years of intense Unreal Tournament with that Ti 4600. All I really want to do is watch some AVIs and MKVs without the player (GOM and others) stopping and starting. You sure the 5500 won't suit my needs?
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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 3:51:55 PM

quadrillion said:
"A 6600gt or a 7300gs/gt agp would suit you well enough."

and

"Don't buy the FX5500"

Sounds like good advice shaping up. Unfortunately the 6600 requires a Pentium III and a 300 W PSU. Not being an expert on hardware, I assume that it will blow up my PII with a 250 PSU.

Heartbreaking about the 5500. I was just about ready to go out and buy it. Keep in mind, I gave up gaming after a couple of years of intense Unreal Tournament with that Ti 4600. All I really want to do is watch some AVIs and MKVs without the player (GOM and others) stopping and starting. You sure the 5500 won't suit my needs?



My mom uses a 6600gt with her E1200 that is overclocked to 2.4ghz on a 6 year old 250w psu and it has done rather well over the last two years with out issue so don't worry about wattage unless your unit is very crappy with the voltage on the 12v rail is dipping below 11.5 with out the card. Mind you that her psu cam out of a old HP. Get any gpu that is isn't older than Geforce6 so you will still have regular driver support since every thing older isn't supported. The FX5500 is ass wipe compared to any thing geforce6 and up.
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a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 4:07:06 PM

The FX5500 might work OK for you but I still would avoid it due to the way it was made - they perform pretty well but the implementation of some of the various shaders etc. are not following the specs and so many times they become unstable or just do not work the way you expect them to.

What speed AGP slot is on the MOBO ?? - if it is not at least AGP 4x then any card may not work very well (I'm not sure what AGP option the P2 line of MOBO's had and they may be just 1x which would severly effect the performance of any AGP card (and that may be why the 6600 mentions a P3 minimum)

If I were you I'd really think about just scrapping that system and buying a newer system instead of investing any more $ on a P2 system
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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 5:23:59 PM

Some newer agp cards out there are universal so they will work with most 1.5v and 3.3v agp boards out there but don't worry about cpu requirements as for psu if your unit is a high quality one that is at least 250w then you should be ok since these low end agp cards don't use that much power being no more than maybe about 25-35w at the most under load. The P2 uses no more than 45w for one that is nuked (450mhz) at the most so you should be ok. I even put in a 4400Ti in a rig that only had 200w and that was a K6-2 (weak but ok for vintage glide when running my voodoo 5 5500).
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February 11, 2010 6:13:00 PM

"What speed AGP slot is on the MOBO ?? - if it is not at least AGP 4x"

The 4600Ti that came with the computer (built in 2002) required (?) 4x. Other good news is that this is a Pentium 4, not Pentium II

Okay, here are the deals:

There's a 6200MB with 256 RAM at a nearby Frys for $45. No Power Requirement listed
http://www.frys.com/product/5867543?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

Same place, a 7300GT with 500 RAM for $60. BUT, it requires a 350 watt PSU. Should I risk it with a 250 watt Dell PSU?

http://www.frys.com/product/5278857?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

If I'm gonna do this I should move fast.
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a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 6:40:56 PM

IF it is a P4 then I'd go with the 6600 that was suggested earlier as it performs much better then either the 7300 or 6200 for not much more cost :

Actually just found a 6800Gt agp Model that I was not aware of for only $30 (which is a great price) that would be a good choice in an AGP card - ( LINKIE ) - THough it recommends a 300W PSU it should be OK with a quality Dell 250W supply !
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February 11, 2010 7:30:27 PM

Thanks for the info JDFan. You're the second to suggest a 250 W PSU will work. Unfortunately, I just went to that link. I would have bought that 6800 for $30 in a heartbeat, but Egg is out of stock and the rest of their AGP cards suck.

I pushed on and found another BFG 7300 for $50, no sales tax. Thinking about it. I think I may need some sort of power dongle extension and it (of course) needs a 350 watt PSU. What about the 250 Watt PSU on that?
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February 11, 2010 7:40:30 PM

Here's another idea. Still have that 4600 in a drawer. At some point its fan/heat sink clogged and went out. I bought another and attached it with some kind of heat tape (as I recall - btw, this all happened 4 years ago). After this repair, the card would run okay for a while and then freak out. Is it ruined? Maybe I should get some of that heatsink glue (or whatever it's called) and reattach the heatsink.

Any thoughts.
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a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 7:53:14 PM

Instead of the 7300 @ $50 - I'd go with the 6600 @ $42 including the $7 shipping - ( LINKIE ) - This one is in stock !! - though you might call and see when they expect more of the 6800's as that is the best deal !!
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a c 176 U Graphics card
February 11, 2010 8:28:54 PM

If the 6800 is an option I wouldn't hesitate getting it since I have one and it can pull it's weight in some games. For movies it will be a blast so long your movies do not require HD-CP. I once I had a evga 7800gs CO (G71) and it was a GOOD agp card.
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February 11, 2010 8:39:18 PM

Thanks for the hard work JDFan. Now that you mention it, that 6800 looks almost too good to be true. I called NewEgg and they would only say that IF the item would never be restocked, it wouldn't be on the website. It looks superior to the 6600 which has some stuff about a company called 3D Fusion and the reviews don't look as good. The 6800 seems to be coming from BFG without some middleman's add-ons and the reviews are stellar. I think I'll wait a few days to see if it is restocked.
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February 11, 2010 9:05:55 PM

Ditto, nforce4max
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February 24, 2010 5:32:13 AM

Well, it's two weeks later, and although NewEgg assured me that, in so many words, that 6800 would be restocked, I'm still waiting for a notification and checking the website. I think I'll hang on a little longer, then resume the search.
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February 24, 2010 6:21:08 AM

ATI 4000 series I think comes in AGP form. 4650 forsure.
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February 27, 2010 1:38:38 AM

Best answer selected by quadrillion.
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February 27, 2010 1:43:52 AM

Done! Ended up going with a PNY 6200 with 256 MB from Amazon for $39 including shipping and after $10 rebate. The reviews were quite good, interfaces were good and it should suit my needs. Here's a link to the product.
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-VCG62256AEB-GeForce-64-bit-Gr...

I gave JD the "best answer" award, even though he suggested the 6600 and 6800. They just weren't available at the right price. He did a lot of work and got me pointed in the right direction. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and all the enlightenment on video cards.
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March 6, 2010 5:05:13 AM

Bad News. There is only a small improvement in performance playing large AVI and MKV files on full screen at 1600x1200 resolution. They're still choppy (they freeze for a few seconds every twenty seconds or so). I looked through the card's options and didn't find anything interesting. Maybe the screen res is too much for the 1.7 to handle. BTW, it doesn't seem to matter whether the file is stored in an 80 gig C drive or a faster 300 Gig secondary drive.
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March 26, 2010 6:00:13 PM

Just to finish off this thread, the new video card (6200, 256 meg) made very little difference in the performance of the high res mkv video file in question. I should have taken note of the fact that it didn't have a fan on the heat sink. I wish the 6800 would have come thru, but it's been what, a month and a half, and no notice from NewEgg that anymore have hit stock.

I noticed that going into a couple of the players (jacked with the WMP, the VLC player and the GOM player) and disabling the "sync" function helped. I also discovered that the GOM player has a high end audio capture feature which has come in handy a couple of times already. Plus, I upgraded the desktop to SP3, ran two registry checks and it's running great again. So all was not a complete loss. Thanks for all the suggestions.
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