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February 20, 2010 2:50:11 AM

Hey All,

this is my first attempt at a system build. Primarily I am planning to use the desktop as a graphics workstation (Cad, 3d Modelling with some Video animation, Gaming and Music) Newer gens of cad related software have seemed to need more graphics processing power so this is one of the driving forces in my attempt to understand this build. It has been a long time coming but I am really looking to have a fast and smooth system that will last me a while, allowing me to upgrade components in time rather than buying a new system.

Current Tool of Choice
Toshiba Satellite laptop, 1.67 Ghz, Core Duo, 3gb recognized out of 4gb installed, Windows XP SP3.
1440x900 resolution

Potential New Tool of Choice
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, speakers
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com
OVERCLOCKING: No / Not Sure as I have never done it
MONITOR RESOLUTION:1600x1200, 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200 with output to HDTV
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: please review system options below

POTENTIAL CASES:
NZXT LEXA S LEXS - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:LEXS - 001BK
Item #:N82E16811146060
$80

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:SGC-2000-KKN1-GP
Item #:N82E16811119196
$89

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:RC-922M-KKN1-GP
Item #:N82E16811119197
$110

POWER SOURCE OPTIONS
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail
Model #:CMPSU-650TX
Item #:N82E16817139005
$100

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
Model #:CMPSU-750TX
Item #:N82E16817139006
$110

PROCESSOR
Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601960 - Retail
Model #:BX80601960
Item #:N82E16819115224

MOTHERBOARD
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: P6T Deluxe V2
Item #:N82E16813131365

Open Box: ASUS P6T7 WS Supercomputer "Ultimate Gamer" choose 3Way SLI + PhysX at Real X16 X58 CEB Intel Motherboard
Model #: P6T7 WSSupercomputer
Item #:N82E16813131390R

MEMORY
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMD8GX3M4A1600C8 - Retail
Model #:CMD8GX3M4A1600C8
Item #:N82E16820145267

VIDEO CARD
MSI N260GTX Twin Frozr OC GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail
Model #:N260GTX Twin Frozr O
Item #:N82E16814127464
Return Policy:VGA Replacement Only Return Policy

EVGA 512-P3-N871-AR GeForce 9800 GTX 512MB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail
Model #:512-P3-N871-AR
Item #:N82E16814130339
Return Policy:VGA Replacement Only Return Policy

EVGA 01G-P3-1158-TR GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail
Model #:01G-P3-1158-TR
Item #:N82E16814130514

SOUND
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Channels PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card - OEM
Model #:30SB104200000
Item #:N82E16829102023
$55

NETWORKING
EDIMAX EW-7728In 32bit PCI Wireless 802.11n Draft 2.0 PCI Card - Retail
Model #:EW-7728In
Item #:N82E16833315078
$49

VisionTek 900296 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express Killer Xeno Pro Gaming Network Card - Retail
Model #:900296
Item #:N82E16833189001
$99

I won't go into detail on other peripherals but I am planning to install a dvd burner, card reader, tv card and hope to have 2 or 3 screens (21" wide min) connected. I apologize if this is a long post but this project has been on the boards for at least 4 years. Thinking about it but no action and I think it's time I plunged into the pool. I genuinely appreciate any and all feedback and thank you in advance.

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February 21, 2010 10:48:41 PM

I have an haf 932 and it is a great case the 922 is a very good case to 5 hdd bays and good airflow that is the one i would go with plus newegg has a rebate going now that drops it to 90.

I also have a CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W psu. it will allow you to do 2 way SLI with the attached connectors or 3 way with adapters. But you could go with 2 way SLI and a few hdds and it would still have good headroom for anything else you want to throw at it later. Plus newegg has a rebate that drops it to $100.

STAY AWAY FROM "Open Box: ASUS P6T7 WS Supercomputer "Ultimate Gamer" choose 3Way SLI + PhysX at Real X16 X58 CEB Intel Motherboard"!!!!!!!! It is a CEB form factor so it will not work with any of the cases you have listed. Go with the other one but note that 2 pciex16 ports are next to each other making 3 way SLI imposable with any of the cards you listed.

I would get two EVGA 01G-P3-1158-TR GeForce GTS 250 1GB cards and do SLI. That should be enough for serious graphics processing. And the 922 would keep it cool at that. I have an evga 9800 gtx+ and evga has a utility called precision. It allows you to monitor temps and oc on the fly with set profiles and even control fan speed. It is also no secret that evga is the best card maker for nvidia chip-sets. if you wanted to play games and use your 2-3 monitors as one display ATI does that best. However Nvidia has 3d vision, I have that and it has helped me a lot with CAD because you can breakdown every individual part separately and analyze them. Just something to think about.


The sound card you selected actually offers less than on board specs. If you are hell bent on it then note it has 1/8th connectors so you would need adapters to use 3.5mm connectors.


Those networking cards offer nothing over on board specs. Aside from wireless. But note that for gaming if you use wireless you will have lag.
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February 21, 2010 10:59:16 PM

You can save $300 by getting the i7 920 and overclocking it.

Edit: Stupid me forgot that i7s run at triple channel ram
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February 21, 2010 11:24:53 PM

Socket 1366 uses triple channel memory, so I would pickup these G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1600. They have plenty of power and will perform nicely. Also, I would pickup either the Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB & Seagate 7200.12 500GB, since I didn't see hard drive listed. These are two of the fastest hard drives you can purchase outside of a SSD. I second the GTS 250, i7 920, Network and Soundcard recommendations (i7 930 if out at time of purchase). I like the CM HAF 922, Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced or Antec 300 Illusion for cases.
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February 25, 2010 3:03:26 AM

imannotu said:
I have an haf 932 and it is a great case the 922 is a very good case to 5 hdd bays and good airflow that is the one i would go with plus newegg has a rebate going now that drops it to 90.

I also have a CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W psu. it will allow you to do 2 way SLI with the attached connectors or 3 way with adapters. But you could go with 2 way SLI and a few hdds and it would still have good headroom for anything else you want to throw at it later. Plus newegg has a rebate that drops it to $100.

STAY AWAY FROM "Open Box: ASUS P6T7 WS Supercomputer "Ultimate Gamer" choose 3Way SLI + PhysX at Real X16 X58 CEB Intel Motherboard"!!!!!!!! It is a CEB form factor so it will not work with any of the cases you have listed. Go with the other one but note that 2 pciex16 ports are next to each other making 3 way SLI imposable with any of the cards you listed.

I would get two EVGA 01G-P3-1158-TR GeForce GTS 250 1GB cards and do SLI. That should be enough for serious graphics processing. And the 922 would keep it cool at that. I have an evga 9800 gtx+ and evga has a utility called precision. It allows you to monitor temps and oc on the fly with set profiles and even control fan speed. It is also no secret that evga is the best card maker for nvidia chip-sets. if you wanted to play games and use your 2-3 monitors as one display ATI does that best. However Nvidia has 3d vision, I have that and it has helped me a lot with CAD because you can breakdown every individual part separately and analyze them. Just something to think about.

The sound card you selected actually offers less than on board specs. If you are hell bent on it then note it has 1/8th connectors so you would need adapters to use 3.5mm connectors.

Those networking cards offer nothing over on board specs. Aside from wireless. But note that for gaming if you use wireless you will have lag.


Thanks for the help. I think the HAF922 may be the case to use at this point. The 932 looks awesome but I think for this build I am going to stick with the mid tower. Budget is kinda the word of the day and then there's that whole saying about too much power corrupts....I digress. Thanks and I will be refining the build and lining things up. Time for less talk and more action. The sound card may end up being a acquisition for later.

I would ask though about the advantages / disadvantages of ATI vs SLI. Some that I have spoken to have mentioned sticking with Nvidia. I will look up other posts to see what more is said as I am honestly clueless about the details.
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February 25, 2010 2:54:54 PM

Has anyone setup their OS on a SSD with one or two other regular drives. I know some people have gone all out and setup a multi-SSD setup. Budget is not quite so big so I really do not see that as an option at this point.
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May 19, 2010 3:46:31 AM

Best answer selected by MrGreenBytes.
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May 19, 2010 4:04:48 AM

The modified edition:
Potential New Tool of Choice
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, speakers
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com
OVERCLOCKING: No / Not Sure as I have never done it
MONITOR RESOLUTION: (2 or 3 monitors planned) 1600x1200, 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200 with output to HDTV
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: please review system options below

POTENTIAL CASES:
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Item#:N82E16811119160

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:RC-922M-KKN1-GP
Item #:N82E16811119197


POWER SOURCE OPTIONS
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail
Model #:CMPSU-650TX
Item #:N82E16817139005

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
Model #:CMPSU-750TX
Item #:N82E16817139006


PROCESSOR (I am asking myself to look at Core i7 vs Xeon and figure out which is the better choice)
Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601960 - Retail
Model #:BX80601960
Item #:N82E16819115224


MOTHERBOARD
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: P6T Deluxe V2
Item #:N82E16813131365


MEMORY (May need to be modified given a switch to a Xeon powered build)
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMD8GX3M4A1600C8 - Retail
Model #:CMD8GX3M4A1600C8
Item #:N82E16820145267


VIDEO CARD
EVGA 01G-P3-1158-TR GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail
Model #:01G-P3-1158-TR
Item #:N82E16814130514


SOUND


NETWORKING

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May 19, 2010 4:05:52 AM

I have not (yet) set up an SSD with additional drives, though I will be doing this in a couple of days.

There's no reason for an SSD to behave any differently from a traditional hard drive....just go ahead and select it as your boot drive when installing your OS and you should be fine.

In most games, ATI is ahead, as they have more DX11 cards out right now, and are offering better value for the money at most price points. I'd suggest looking up Tom's Hardware Best Graphics Cards for the Money for May (should be under Graphics Articles and see what fits your budget.
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May 19, 2010 4:08:39 AM

coldsleep said:
I have not (yet) set up an SSD with additional drives, though I will be doing this in a couple of days.

There's no reason for an SSD to behave any differently from a traditional hard drive....just go ahead and select it as your boot drive when installing your OS and you should be fine.


I guess my feeling about SSDs so far has been data recovery should a drive fail. I guess if your OS is on that drive, along with Apps and data is on a second or third drive, with backup, you are in better shape.

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May 19, 2010 4:11:39 AM

Ok, let's try this another way. What is your question about SSDs? :) 
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