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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 8:43:31 AM

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Currently I only have a desktop but my newly purchased laptop is on the way.

When I get it I'd like to consider getting a wireless router like D-link for
an example.

My question, is it safe when you have to disable or even uninstall the
firewall in the desktop and to not be able to use it at all?

I have Sygate and with it I can select which programs I want or don't want
to access the internet.
Will I be able to do that with a wireless router and no firewall in the
computer?
If not it sounds much safer to not have the wireless connection.
What about hackers, spywares, adwares etc.?

Thanks.

IS.

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 11:53:39 AM

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IS wrote:
> Currently I only have a desktop but my newly purchased laptop is on
> the way.
>
> When I get it I'd like to consider getting a wireless router like
> D-link for an example.
>
> My question, is it safe when you have to disable or even uninstall the
> firewall in the desktop and to not be able to use it at all?

The router has a firewall that will protect your system. The protection is
pretty good, but there are cracks in the armor, so do install any firmware
updates.

> I have Sygate and with it I can select which programs I want or don't
> want to access the internet.

I don't see any reason you cannot also keep your firewall running on your
local system. For example, you may want to have a firewall for your
notebook for when you're on the road, and then just leave it running at home
for convenience

> Will I be able to do that with a wireless router and no firewall in
> the computer?

You can block or allow only certain ports. For example, FTP and WWW can be
blocked from the rest of the world, or pointed to a particlar system.

> If not it sounds much safer to not have the wireless connection.
> What about hackers, spywares, adwares etc.?

Use WEP, or MAC address filtering.
--

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net
August 18, 2004 12:15:43 PM

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IS wrote:
> Currently I only have a desktop but my newly purchased laptop is on the way.
>
> When I get it I'd like to consider getting a wireless router like D-link for
> an example.
>
> My question, is it safe when you have to disable or even uninstall the
> firewall in the desktop and to not be able to use it at all?
>
> I have Sygate and with it I can select which programs I want or don't want
> to access the internet.
> Will I be able to do that with a wireless router and no firewall in the
> computer?
> If not it sounds much safer to not have the wireless connection.
> What about hackers, spywares, adwares etc.?
>
> Thanks.
>
> IS.
>
>

All routers I have experience with have filtering to limit access to
your network and to limit access of computers on your network to the
Internet. They all have Network Address Translation (NAT) which makes
computers on your network invisible to the Internet and many have
Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI) which is a further safeguard against
hackers.
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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 12:21:56 PM

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"IS" <y@y.com> wrote in message
news:T7BUc.1959$JG6.1951@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
| Currently I only have a desktop but my newly purchased laptop is on the
way.
|
| When I get it I'd like to consider getting a wireless router like D-link
for
| an example.
|
| My question, is it safe when you have to disable or even uninstall the
| firewall in the desktop and to not be able to use it at all?
|
| I have Sygate and with it I can select which programs I want or don't want
| to access the internet.
| Will I be able to do that with a wireless router and no firewall in the
| computer?
| If not it sounds much safer to not have the wireless connection.
| What about hackers, spywares, adwares etc.?
|

The hardware firewall built into the router is for keeping outside people
from getting in. It will not necessarily keep inside stuff from geting out.
If monitoring/controlling that is concern, you should keep your software
firewall running also. There will be no problem doing that.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 12:49:31 PM

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"Mike Russell" <REgeigyMOVE@pacbellTHIS.net> writes:

> Use WEP, or MAC address filtering.

I'd recommend WPA and MAC address filtering and a hidden ESSID and
careful monitoring of usage logs.

--
Steven E. Harris
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 7:04:42 PM

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First, you don't have to disable a firewall to use a wireless router.

Second, I personally don't recommend the use of software firewalls, at
all, for most residential users. But I do strongly recommend both
strong and frequently updated anti-virus software AND the use of a
router, in ALL cases, even when the internet connection is not being
shared. My experience with firewalls -- especially software firewalls
-- is that they cause more problems than they solve. A router (which
"hides" the computers behind it from the internet) plus anti-virus
software is all that is needed, for most user, in my opinion.

Third, if you don't have it already, you will soon have the ability to
install Windows XP service pack 2, which makes Windows far more secure
(by, among other things, including a better firewall that is on by
default -- although it doesn't process outgoing network traffic).

What is important with a wireless router is that you configure the
router with encryption turned on, which, unfortunately, makes the job of
getting the wireless network installed and setup a far more difficult task.


IS wrote:
> Currently I only have a desktop but my newly purchased laptop is on the way.
>
> When I get it I'd like to consider getting a wireless router like D-link for
> an example.
>
> My question, is it safe when you have to disable or even uninstall the
> firewall in the desktop and to not be able to use it at all?
>
> I have Sygate and with it I can select which programs I want or don't want
> to access the internet.
> Will I be able to do that with a wireless router and no firewall in the
> computer?
> If not it sounds much safer to not have the wireless connection.
> What about hackers, spywares, adwares etc.?
>
> Thanks.
>
> IS.
>
>
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 7:04:43 PM

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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:41237169.5050104@neo.rr.com...
> First, you don't have to disable a firewall to use a wireless router.
>
> Second, I personally don't recommend the use of software firewalls, at
> all, for most residential users. But I do strongly recommend both
> strong and frequently updated anti-virus software AND the use of a
> router, in ALL cases, even when the internet connection is not being
> shared. My experience with firewalls -- especially software
> firewalls -- is that they cause more problems than they solve. A
> router (which "hides" the computers behind it from the internet) plus
> anti-virus software is all that is needed, for most user, in my
> opinion.

Some routers do a better job right out of the box hiding your system
than others.. I use 'Shields Up' to scan my system each time I make a
change to an internet component. My current Belkin Wireless came up
clean right out of the box. A Dlink and Linksys, both non-wireless,
left some ports open. A quick e-mail to each returned instructions on
how to stealth them.

Go here http://grc.com/x/ne.dll?rh1dkyd2 for what used to be called
Shields Up.


I seldom see any reference to that site here in any of the groups.
Perhaps I missed them or maybe no one thinks much of the site.

Take care.

>
> Third, if you don't have it already, you will soon have the ability to
> install Windows XP service pack 2, which makes Windows far more secure
> (by, among other things, including a better firewall that is on by
> default -- although it doesn't process outgoing network traffic).
>
> What is important with a wireless router is that you configure the
> router with encryption turned on, which, unfortunately, makes the job
> of getting the wireless network installed and setup a far more
> difficult task.
>
>
> IS wrote:
>> Currently I only have a desktop but my newly purchased laptop is on
>> the way.
>>
>> When I get it I'd like to consider getting a wireless router like
>> D-link for
>> an example.
>>
>> My question, is it safe when you have to disable or even uninstall
>> the
>> firewall in the desktop and to not be able to use it at all?
>>
>> I have Sygate and with it I can select which programs I want or don't
>> want
>> to access the internet.
>> Will I be able to do that with a wireless router and no firewall in
>> the
>> computer?
>> If not it sounds much safer to not have the wireless connection.
>> What about hackers, spywares, adwares etc.?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> IS.
>>
>>
>
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 7:06:52 PM

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RE: "The router has a firewall that will protect your system."

Some do, but most do not. A router, or any service providing NAT
(network address translation) is not a firewall. But for most users, it
is all that is needed.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 7:41:07 PM

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Dear Mike Russel and Barry Watzman.

Both of you if effect said: "You don't have to disable a firewall to use a
wireless router."

A few months ago I had a Linksys Wireless G router and also had Sygate on my
desktop. I was never able to access the internet and it never occurred to me
that it was the firewall on the desktop. I called Linksys customer service
and they asked if I had a firewall either on my laptop or desktop. They told
me to disable it and once I did everything worked fine.

That's the reason why I asked about disabling the firewall.

If things have changed in the Router/Firewall relationship since then (ca 8
months) that's great. Then I won't have to worry about anything.

Thanks for your advice. I will follow it when my new laptop arrives.

IS.



"IS" <y@y.com> wrote in message
news:T7BUc.1959$JG6.1951@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
> Currently I only have a desktop but my newly purchased laptop is on the
way.
>
> When I get it I'd like to consider getting a wireless router like D-link
for
> an example.
>
> My question, is it safe when you have to disable or even uninstall the
> firewall in the desktop and to not be able to use it at all?
>
> I have Sygate and with it I can select which programs I want or don't want
> to access the internet.
> Will I be able to do that with a wireless router and no firewall in the
> computer?
> If not it sounds much safer to not have the wireless connection.
> What about hackers, spywares, adwares etc.?
>
> Thanks.
>
> IS.
>
>
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 7:41:08 PM

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Nothing has really changed, but there is no inherint conflict between a
router and a firewall (indeed, some routers have their own firewalls,
but contrary to what some have said, this is not universal).

Clearly, when the system was not working, it was not configured
properly. That's all that can be said without getting very specific
about the router and it's configuration, and the firewall and it's
configuration.


IS wrote:

> Dear Mike Russel and Barry Watzman.
>
> Both of you if effect said: "You don't have to disable a firewall to use a
> wireless router."
>
> A few months ago I had a Linksys Wireless G router and also had Sygate on my
> desktop. I was never able to access the internet and it never occurred to me
> that it was the firewall on the desktop. I called Linksys customer service
> and they asked if I had a firewall either on my laptop or desktop. They told
> me to disable it and once I did everything worked fine.
>
> That's the reason why I asked about disabling the firewall.
>
> If things have changed in the Router/Firewall relationship since then (ca 8
> months) that's great. Then I won't have to worry about anything.
>
> Thanks for your advice. I will follow it when my new laptop arrives.
>
> IS.
>
>
>
> "IS" <y@y.com> wrote in message
> news:T7BUc.1959$JG6.1951@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Currently I only have a desktop but my newly purchased laptop is on the
>
> way.
>
>>When I get it I'd like to consider getting a wireless router like D-link
>
> for
>
>>an example.
>>
>>My question, is it safe when you have to disable or even uninstall the
>>firewall in the desktop and to not be able to use it at all?
>>
>>I have Sygate and with it I can select which programs I want or don't want
>>to access the internet.
>>Will I be able to do that with a wireless router and no firewall in the
>>computer?
>>If not it sounds much safer to not have the wireless connection.
>>What about hackers, spywares, adwares etc.?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>IS.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 8:18:38 PM

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"Jason Cothran" typed:

> The hardware firewall built into the router is for keeping outside people
> from getting in. It will not necessarily keep inside stuff from geting out.
> If monitoring/controlling that is concern, you should keep your software
> firewall running also. There will be no problem doing that.

Yes. Generally, for outbound filtering one uses a software firewall.

--
Ayaz Ahmed Khan
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 18, 2004 11:56:12 PM

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"IS" <y@y.com> wrote in message
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| So would getting a Belkin router make more sense than D-link?
| The only reason why I thought D-link is because they came out best of all
| tested in this months LapTop Magazine.
|

I use the Belkin and am very very happy with it. Mine wasn't "clean out of
the box" though. I had to forward IDENT (113) to a fake IP in order to
stealth it.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 19, 2004 12:52:26 AM

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PS:

This doesn't sound very convincing.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/07/help_my_belkin_...

Thanks.

IS.






> So would getting a Belkin router make more sense than D-link?
> The only reason why I thought D-link is because they came out best of all
> tested in this months LapTop Magazine.
>
> Thanks.
>
> IS.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
August 19, 2004 12:52:27 AM

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"IS" <y@y.com> wrote in message
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| PS:
|
| This doesn't sound very convincing.
|
| http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/07/help_my_belkin_...
|

FWIW, I have been using mine 6 months, and that has yet to happen. Of course
I installed no software with my modem, as it is not needed.