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February 21, 2010 9:35:11 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 02/22 - 02/30
BUDGET RANGE: $500
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, DVD-RW, Hard Drive, Monitor
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com
PARTS PREFERENCES: Doesn't Matter
OVERCLOCKING: Yes
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe
MONITOR RESOLUTION: Doesn't Matter, Monitor is only capable of 1024x768

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Basically, I was going to rebuild when my last system died due to a power surge, and didn't get around to it due to financial issues. Now my wife is telling me if I want to build, I need to do it basically now, or never. I have been looking at the AM3's and ATI cards, but figured I would throw this out there just in case there are some decent ideas I haven't thought of yet. I am going to need a new operating system, so that is likely going to leave me with $400 or so to play with. Thanks!

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February 21, 2010 10:22:21 PM

If your old PC died to a power surge it's just the power supply that went out. You could replace it with a $40 PSU and depending upon how old it is you could just upgrade that.
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February 21, 2010 10:24:42 PM

The old PC died almost a year back, the power supply surged something fierce and took out my motherboard, video card, and hard drive. That was why I was set to rebuild, but was unable to until now.
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February 21, 2010 10:43:12 PM

Very nice, thank you...I will take a look at those, and play with it a bit. I just wasn't all that sure about the new AM3's as it seems like there is a ton of new processors since I last looked.
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February 21, 2010 10:49:12 PM

jlg6184 said:
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 02/22 - 02/30
BUDGET RANGE: $500
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, DVD-RW, Hard Drive, Monitor
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com
PARTS PREFERENCES: Doesn't Matter
OVERCLOCKING: Yes
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe
MONITOR RESOLUTION: Doesn't Matter, Monitor is only capable of 1024x768

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Basically, I was going to rebuild when my last system died due to a power surge, and didn't get around to it due to financial issues. Now my wife is telling me if I want to build, I need to do it basically now, or never. I have been looking at the AM3's and ATI cards, but figured I would throw this out there just in case there are some decent ideas I haven't thought of yet. I am going to need a new operating system, so that is likely going to leave me with $400 or so to play with. Thanks!


Hi jlg

View this thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/281036-31-build-advis...
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February 21, 2010 10:50:35 PM

Blackjello, he needs an OS.

Jairo, that thread won't be of much help. That guy didn't need an HD or a DVD rom.
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February 21, 2010 10:51:52 PM

whitefang said:
Blackjello, he needs an OS.

Jairo, that thread won't be of much help. That guy didn't need an HD or a DVD rom.


Oops, sorry. Just noticed.
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February 21, 2010 10:58:37 PM

whitefang said:
Jairo, that thread won't be of much help. That guy didn't need an HD or a DVD rom.


jlg6184 OP
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PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, DVD-RW, Hard Drive, Monitor


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February 21, 2010 11:02:21 PM

Huh? I'm confused. The OP needs an HD and DVD rom. The thread your referring to doesn't.
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February 21, 2010 11:12:43 PM

What about this build. I have a feeling you'll be satisfied.

CPU/Mobo ($197, $10MIR): http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU/GPU ($185): http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM/Case ($126): http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

total: $508 - $10MIR
only $8 over your limit for a much better build.

Bam! You got a good video card, great CPU, RAM and Mobo, a good trusty PSU by antec and an ok case. I see one problem with this build. The case only has one 120mm for cooling! Once you get your MIR or any money you might earn and put that towards getting adding fans to the case. This almost exactly like blackjellognomes' build but I just changed the PSU and CPU so I must give where credit is due and thank blackjellognomes for a good build outline that I followed.
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February 21, 2010 11:14:29 PM

whoa I'm confused too! does the guy need an OS or not? If so then we need to make some adjustments.
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February 21, 2010 11:17:34 PM

Thanks guys for the posts, and yes, I do need an OS and I do NOT need HD or DVD-RW. I have a valid XP COA still, but I would prefer to just go to Windows 7 at this point.
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February 21, 2010 11:21:38 PM

Oh man! and I was so proud of my build too! lol ok lets start over again. lol
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February 21, 2010 11:24:24 PM

lol well not needing an HD or DVD changes every thing...
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February 22, 2010 2:01:25 AM

So is that X3 435 the best processor in that price range? I figured I would ask as during my searching I have found a few others right around the same price.
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February 22, 2010 2:03:30 AM

What are the others you have found?

Another option is to get a Phenom II X2 545 and try your chances at unlocking the 3rd and 4th cores for a full Phenom II x4 925.
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February 22, 2010 2:28:34 AM

I seen the AMD Athlon II X4 620 at 95.99 and the AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition at the same price.

EDIT: Also, is the lower wattage PS (550W) gonna be enough to run everything decently? I am kind of weary of them since they caused the death of my last system.
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February 22, 2010 3:51:38 AM

Just to assure you:

My µATX Antec NSK-3480 and its included Earthwatts 380watt (Seasonic build, 80+) running:
X2 550 -> x4 B50
Ati5770
and hdd etc.

http://www.antec.outervision.com/

No problem at all... :sarcastic: 
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February 22, 2010 3:52:22 AM

Well me and whitefang had a nice long discussion on the Anthlon ii X4 620 vs. the 545 BE. lol its more of a preference thing, your more than welcome to get the phenom ii X2 545 BE and unlock the cores, and if it doesnt work at all, its still a good CPU and should handle anything you throw at it.
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February 22, 2010 4:05:39 AM

Thanks again. I will have to do some more research, as it appears several of the AMD Chips have unlockable cores. When it comes down to it, I think money and how much I actually have to spend will be the biggest factor. I mean at 500 bucks the builds here are pretty decent from what I have read so far tonight. Don't know how everything is going to go, never know, I may have an extra 100 or so to play with (after talking with the wife) so I may beef it up a bit, but this has given me several options to choose from.
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February 22, 2010 8:58:26 PM

Alright, I have one last question, then I think I am pretty much set. 32 Bit or 64Bit. Last time I rebuilt (well over a year ago), 64 bit had some issues with 32 bit applications/drivers. I am sure some of that has smoothed out since then, and I know that the perks also consist of getting past the 32bit ram limitations. Just curious which way is recommended at this point?
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February 22, 2010 10:01:24 PM

64 bit all the way. no driver issues any more.
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February 22, 2010 10:11:41 PM

Alrighty, thanks again...I think I am set. I am just looking at some comparative parts and whatnot to see if this is the best bang for my buck, and it appears to be. Thanks for the recommendations.
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February 22, 2010 10:27:51 PM

By the way the BP550 is a very good power supply, you won't have any problems. It's 550W continuous. Most PSU's say there max wattage, not there continous output.

continuous is what it can put out constantly forever, max wattage is what it can put out for up to a minute.
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February 24, 2010 1:23:03 AM

Alright, I have one last question (broken record, I know), but I ran into an extra hundred bucks today, guaranteed, due to an issue with a car and a local salvage yard kindly taking it off my hands. My question is where should it be applied to the system whitefang recommended? I mean I have been reading for what seems like the last two days and am noticing that it could be applied to a better processor or video card, but I can't determine which. Also, if I go video, I don't know really which route to go. From what I read the 57X0 cards offer DX11 compatibility, but they don't seem to run as fast with DX9/10 as their 48X0 predecessors. I currently don't have a decent monitor, but that upgrade will happen within the next 2 - 3 months, so I want a card that will be ready for it. Or am I going the wrong way with this, and should I just go with a higher processor? Thanks again.
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February 24, 2010 3:13:59 AM

Go with this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

And go with this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

That's a total of $101 more then before and will be alot better.

The mobo I selected has Crossfire 8x8 which means if you find you can't play newer games in a few years you can pop in another 5770 and your all set for another few more years.

I also switched the HD 4850 for the 5770. This has DX11, Eyefinity, it produces less heat, it uses less electricity, and it's crossfire scaling is way better then the 4850. Two 5770's = the power of a 5870. Not to mention the 5770 is alot better then the 4850 in games too.

Also, the CPU + mobo combo I selected has a $15 mail in rebate which takes the $101 upgrade to $86 =)

*EDIT* by the way, processors don't help nearly as much in games as video cards do. So the above option is a lot better then spending the extra on a more expensive processor.

*EDIT* forgot we were going DDR2 before. The DDR3 ram is slightly more expensive. But the rebate from the processor/mobo will cover it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is a much better way to go any way, it's much more future proof then DDR2
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February 24, 2010 3:30:38 AM

So here's the final build with the adjustments made.

$599 after $25 mail in rebate

The only thing I can think that would make this PC better is changing the Case / PSU combo for this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

It's $5 more then the previous one we had but this will safely let you crossfire two 5770's. You also lose your $10 rebate which kind of sucks. But if you have the extra money I wouldn't hesitate on this. It's totally worth it.

However if you don't have the extra don't worry about it. You can still easily crossfire the 5770's with the BP550 PSU we have selected now. The Earthwatts 650 is just a much more solid PSU for $5 more.


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February 24, 2010 4:02:22 AM

Hey, thanks again mate. It helps getting advice. Time passed me up a bit since my last build, and your advice helped alot. Thank you.

EDIT: What is up with the "flicker" problem reported on NewEgg with this card?
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February 24, 2010 1:47:59 PM

Take newEgg Reviews with a grain of salt (Or a Dump truck of salt in most cases)

90% of them are written by twits.
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February 24, 2010 4:34:08 PM

osu43130 said:
Take newEgg Reviews with a grain of salt (Or a Dump truck of salt in most cases)

90% of them are written by twits.


Yeah, I typically take their reviews with a grain or two of salt, but I am slowly noticing on some things there is an overwhelming number of them giving something a bad review (IE that card for "Flicker" issues, and OCZ DD3 for "dead memory" issues.) I know a good chunk of them read on the internet for 2 minutes and think they can built a spaceship, but there comes a time when you ask, can that many of them just be talking out of there ...?
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March 2, 2010 11:23:58 PM

Best answer selected by jlg6184.
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