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4850 ->2x 5770 = = Totally worth it. Benchmarks inside.

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a b U Graphics card
February 12, 2010 1:27:35 PM

So I recently decided to upgrade to the DX11 cards; I had previously a Palit Radeon 4850 512 MB GDDR3 upgraded to an XFX Radeon 5770 1 GB GDDR5. And it was worth it. Futuremark newest release my score went from 7k to high 9ks nearly a 2500 point jump. My real world performance in gaming has increased about 20% and I'm not having any problems. Anyone on the fence thinking its a side grade, you are wrong. Very happy about the performance and the less power hungry 5770; If you are thinking of upgrading your 4850 DO IT! After a few more burn in tests will post some benchmarks of 4850 vs 5770 running off 4GB of DDR2 memory(heck I thought that would bottleneck me guess I was wrong)!
a c 126 U Graphics card
February 12, 2010 2:16:27 PM

your seeing a performance gain because you did upgrade rather than sidegrade

The HD5770 is more or less equal to a HD4870 or GTX260

So going from a 4850 to a 5770 is an upgrade

Glad to hear you like your new card : )
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February 12, 2010 4:24:31 PM

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The ONLY 4 series card you should consider should be the 4890

That's true... but ONLY if you have $200 to spend and a 1920x1080+ monitor.
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February 12, 2010 4:32:00 PM

I went with a 5770 for my build. Seriously considered the 5850 but didn't get it. I am more than happy as I can play all my games @1920x1200 with more than adequate fps. I'll probably get a 5890 when they are released, just because I can. :) 
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February 12, 2010 4:56:12 PM

Just ordered a 5870 from Newegg yesterday, it should arrive tomorrow. Wonder how much of an upgrade it will be to my Sapphire 4850 512-meg card...
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February 12, 2010 5:01:08 PM

jonpaul37 said:
Just ordered a 5870 from Newegg yesterday, it should arrive tomorrow. Wonder how much of an upgrade it will be to my Sapphire 4850 512-meg card...


The difference between day and night.
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a b U Graphics card
February 12, 2010 5:01:21 PM

5870 is as good as 4870 crossfire, so atlest a good double in FPS.
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February 12, 2010 5:22:06 PM

I understand what the OP is gettings at. I have seen more than once a 4850 upgrader being told a 5770 wouldn't be enough of an upgrade to justify the cost. For some people this may be true, just not for the OP. Glad to hear it when anyone enjoys new hardware. Warm Fuzzies All Around.
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February 12, 2010 5:51:27 PM

JofaMang said:
I understand what the OP is gettings at. I have seen more than once a 4850 upgrader being told a 5770 wouldn't be enough of an upgrade to justify the cost. For some people this may be true, just not for the OP. Glad to hear it when anyone enjoys new hardware. Warm Fuzzies All Around.



Exactly the reason I was so hesitant in getting a card. Many of the people here asking if a 5770 was worth upgrading from the 4850 were met with a resounding "No". However I have quickly found that is not the case. My 4850 could hardly run the opening sequence of Crysis Warhead on enthusiast 1080p, meanwhile my 5770 Just ate through the whole first level; Doing some burn in testing and maximizing my driver capability before I get down to the nitty gritty testing, but for those of us doing minor real world upgrades to our computers, the 5770 is a steal. If you have anything below a Radeon 4890 I would see no reason NOT to upgrade to a 5770. Luckily while I was doing my cpu upgrades I got a CFX Mobo this time, and in about another week or two I am buying another one of these babies and doing my first ever crossfire setup. (I have heard that 2x5770 are as powerful as a $600 5870, over $300 in savings that's nice).

If you are on the fence about getting rid of your old 9800 GTX or 4XXX series that isn't a 4890 (even then if you want some power savings and just a little less performance), don't be. The 5770 is a wonderful card. And right now they are even shipping with free DX11 games (Dirt, Battleforge) so you can get a taste of things to come.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 12, 2010 5:54:42 PM

At 1080p it's definitely worth the upgrade. I'm surprised you got no's considering the resolution you are using.
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February 12, 2010 7:08:08 PM

Basically, you've upgraded from a 4850 to a 4870 but the main reason you're noticing the extra performanece is because of the 1GB of RAM on the card. This is huge at high resolutions.
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February 12, 2010 7:13:34 PM

metalweenis said:
Basically, you've upgraded from a 4850 to a 4870 but the main reason you're noticing the extra performanece is because of the 1GB of RAM on the card. This is huge at high resolutions.


Correction:

Basically, you've upgraded from a 4850, to a 4870 + DX11 + Eyefinity + power savings + potential for even more performance as drivers mature. The main reason you're noticing the extra performance is because of the 1gb of RAM on a video card that employs newer technology. This is huge at most any resolution, but specifically at 1920x1080 or higher.
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February 12, 2010 7:29:56 PM

JofaMang said:
Correction:

Basically, you've upgraded from a 4850, to a 4870 + DX11 + Eyefinity + power savings + potential for even more performance as drivers mature. The main reason you're noticing the extra performance is because of the 1gb of RAM on a video card that employs newer technology. This is huge at most any resolution, but specifically at 1920x1080 or higher.



+100^
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February 12, 2010 7:42:20 PM

The 5770 performs about 10% under the 260 and 4870. It will show increased performance over lower cards but two things must be kept in mind:

1. In general, comparing the new and old benchmarks will be more impressive than the difference in playing experience....however this is true of any upgrade.

2. The 5770 will perform well in DX9/10 in almost any game but what it can not do is 30 fps in DX11 at 1920 resolution.

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February 12, 2010 7:46:16 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
2. The 5770 will perform well in DX9/10 in almost any game but what it can not do is 30 fps in DX11 at 1920 resolution.


I wasn't aware that all DX11 titles will have the EXACT same performance as each other, and that Dirt 2 is an accepted benchmark for every single DX11 titles that will ever be released. Thanks for enlightening me!

/sarcasm off
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February 12, 2010 7:58:51 PM

I believe that 5770x2 in Xfire should be plenty to handle any Direct X 10 game, I'm already planning on getting my second card. My question is my second PCIE slot is near the bottom of my case by my cpu, and right above the IDE controller for my DVD burner. Is it possible these days to get a SATA DVD burner?
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February 12, 2010 8:28:46 PM

nrnx said:
I believe that 5770x2 in Xfire should be plenty to handle any Direct X 10 game, I'm already planning on getting my second card. My question is my second PCIE slot is near the bottom of my case by my cpu, and right above the IDE controller for my DVD burner. Is it possible these days to get a SATA DVD burner?


Yup, $20 can net you a reliable SATA DVD burner. $25 if you want lightscribe.
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February 12, 2010 8:36:30 PM

Could you please link me to one on NewEgg? Also my 650W new Antec PSU should be plenty for 2x5770s correct? In the end I want my final specs to be this:

Biostar T Series TA790GXE 128M
AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE 3.0ghz
8GB DDR2 800 MHZ DUAL CHANNEL
2 x XFX RADEON 5770 1GB GDDR5
60 GB SSD
250GB 7200 RPM SATA RAID HDD
650W Antec 80Plus Certified PSU

This should be plenty to maximize my gaming on a 32" 1080p LCD for DirectX 10 and 11 no?
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February 13, 2010 3:25:19 AM

metalweenis said:
Basically, you've upgraded from a 4850 to a 4870 but the main reason you're noticing the extra performanece is because of the 1GB of RAM on the card. This is huge at high resolutions.

No the main reason is the card is faster. From the articles on 512mb vs 1gb HD4870s the memory difference yields a performance increase that's rather small on average even at 1920x1080, 3% or so if I recall properly, although it can be higher for memory intensive games.
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February 13, 2010 3:09:42 PM

Just ordered my second card and a sata burner off new egg, I also need to upgrade my HDD as it's my lowest rank in WE at a 5.3 (everything else rates 7.4s and 7.3s), can anyone recommend a higher scoring raid 2.0 HDD for me; from newegg preferably. Mine is currently generic no name brand that is slightly hindering my gaming performance.
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February 13, 2010 3:16:48 PM

In regards to WEI, only ssd's will score in the '7's'. Or so I've read. A 7200 rpm HD usually around 5.9 in win 7.
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February 13, 2010 3:19:45 PM

Ouch, so I should just stick to my intial plan of having Win7 installed on the SDD and just keep my 5.3 scoring 7200 RPM HDD as a secondary drive? I am complete new to the SDD so am wondering if its best to use it only for windows and game installations, then the secondary raid drive for movies etc?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 13, 2010 3:29:45 PM

The Samsung Spinpoint F3 drives are the fastest around.
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a c 126 U Graphics card
February 13, 2010 4:02:33 PM

my samsung spinpoint F3 500GB only scores 5.9, but can you really trust windows experience index?
It also says that my ci7 920 at 4Ghz is only 7.6 haha
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February 13, 2010 4:13:30 PM

Rustyy117 said:
can you really trust windows experience index?

Hell no.
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February 13, 2010 4:26:39 PM

A lot of it just plain depends on system specs though dosent it. The OP has what sounds like a decent set up but only mentioned resolution.
Others may not have a 1080p set up and so wont see the improvements that would be evident at higher resolutions.
Either way theses guys http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/ dont exactly have a bad system and in no way can you call the differance major, maybe enough for the differance between playable and not to some people but if you have a 4850 i just plain cant see why you would fork out for 5-8 FPS.
Im looking at teh Crysis benching here as it was the game mentioned.
DX11 etc is moot, sure Eye finity might be a gymick you want but its not something i care about one way or another.
Thats why people dont fall over themselves to recomend the upgrade. As a new system buy sure you would be stupid not to but as an upgrade no thanks.

Mactronix
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February 13, 2010 4:37:36 PM

mactronix said:
Either way theses guys http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/ dont exactly have a bad system and in no way can you call the differance major

The performance difference is 25% at 1920x1200 and overall according to that article. Maybe you don't consider that a worthwhile upgrade but most would.
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February 13, 2010 4:47:24 PM

Well at the planned end, I will have the 5770 X-Fired is my end goal. Hoping at 1920x1080 that will be perfect for games such as Crysis in full glory (right now a single 5770 runs it at an astonishing 40 FPS avg hoping X-Fired will hit 60-70FPS). Overall it is a completely new system build yes. I am going from a Core2Duo E7200 Win 32 Bit 4850 to a AMD PHENOM II X940 BE 3.0GHZ quad, Win64 Bit, dual 5770s, with the hope that the system will get my through any games that may come out for the next three years. It should be suitable yes?
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February 13, 2010 4:49:38 PM


I think they found 20%, and from other reviews , I think thats a optimistic result. Even the op himself is now quickly going to add another card in crossfire . If he had followed the rule of thumb,upgrading about 3 tiers or a good margin, he would not have to upgrade again weeks after just upgrading.
edit: In this case the point is a little moot, because 2x 5770 is a pretty good value compared to what the 5850's were priced at a couple weeks ago.
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February 13, 2010 4:58:41 PM

Its not that I didn't want to upgrade to a 4850, its that I did not want to spend more then $200 on a single GPU, especially after learning 5770x2 is just as powerful as a 5870. So I'd rather do 5770x2 which I can get for $320 total then spend $400+ on a 5870. I was following my rule of thumb for my upgrades: 1. Does it offer performance increase - 5770 vs 4850 512MB answer : yes. 2. Does it offer better features, DX11 , yes. 3. Is it scalable with what you are purchasing to be a powerful mid range system, 2x 5770 > 5870 in a lot of benchmarks. So that extra $100-$150 I save vs buying a 5870 I can use to go towards my SSD or more memory. I am more a mid-range budget performance gamer than a High end gamer and would rather spend $900 every few years upgrading my rig then $1800 every time the best new parts come out, which these days is quite frequently.
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February 13, 2010 4:59:44 PM

notty22 said:
I think they found 20%, and from other reviews , I think thats a optimistic result.

If the HD4850 is 20% weaker than the HD5770 that means the HD5770 is 25% faster than the HD4850.
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February 13, 2010 5:16:36 PM

jyjjy said:
If the HD4850 is 20% weaker than the HD5770 that means the HD5770 is 25% faster than the HD4850.


lol... win.

To be honest, a 25% performance increase is HUGE no matter how you look at it. That is another 10+ FPS is Crysis.

The problem is, anything lower than that isn't really worth it, which is why I haven't upgraded, I don't have the $400 to blow on a 5870 and I don't consider 2 5770s the same, as you can't crossfire those later on and get any real benefit. For the OP, 2 5770s will kick some major ass.

As for the VRAM argument, I call BS. People say there is little difference between 512mb of GDDR3 and 1GB of GDDR5 because benchmarks don't show it. You know what else benchmarks don't show? The full quality of gameplay. I can run Fallout 3 MAXED at my res without any AA and get 60+ FPS, but every minute or so it dips to 20 FPS as things load. This is because my GPUs don't have enough VRAM to load these things, and I know it is that because I upgraded from 8GB of DDR2 to 4GB of DDR3 and an i5 750 @ 4.0 GHz from an E6750 @ 3.2 GHz without any change.
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February 13, 2010 5:23:57 PM

No you would know it's a difference in the amount of ram only if you tried the same card with both 512mb vs 1gb of ram. Until you do so you are just guessing.
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February 13, 2010 5:29:14 PM

jyjjy said:
No you would know it's a difference in the amount of ram only if you tried the same card with both 512mb vs 1gb of ram. Until you do so you are just guessing.

Sort of like spinning #'s so 34-41 fps is a HUGE !!! increase.
facepalm
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February 13, 2010 5:35:50 PM

When I purchased the 4850, the 4870 hadn't been announced nor released, 256 Meg cards were still the norm, and I thought 512 was awesome. I think I paid nearly $250 for that 4850 and it was the kind with stock ugly huge fan. Now if the 5850 was $250 I would have happily purchased one of those, but as they are $300, and my budget for upgrading was $900, forced to make cuts. Initially I was trying to plan out an i7 mobo i5 processor combo featuring the 5770 but in doing so would have had to purchase a new mobo ram, psu etc basically a whole new computer. Since I was planning to upgrade, buidling a new computer that was an i7 would have cost me nearly my whole budget for the processor and motherboard I wanted alone. Instead went AMD route. Where you can double your budget for anything. This gave me enough money to get a quad core, not have to worry about upgrading the memory, getting a cross fire mother board, with enough cash to spare for a 5770. I am buying another 5770 because I like the single card so much that I want to try my first crossfire mobo out with it. The 5850 and 5870 and 5890 are extremely overpriced for something that will be hard to get $50 for when you trade it in a year if you are a super-enthusiast. So I would prefer 2x5770 over a 5850 or a 5870 simply because the cards are basically worthless a year after release anyway, and I want the performance now. Why pay more for a single card when 2 of another card offer better performance for a lesser price?
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February 13, 2010 5:51:28 PM

IMO, thats pertinent info, in a perfect world all 4850's would perform the same. Over the course of years, whether its bios updates, revision refinements, die steppings, board components, your older 4850 may have performed on the low side to begin with, as long as your happy thats what counts.
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February 13, 2010 6:15:34 PM

jyjjy said:
No you would know it's a difference in the amount of ram only if you tried the same card with both 512mb vs 1gb of ram. Until you do so you are just guessing.


So you are telling me that upgrading to a 5850 would not give me smoother gameplay even though the benchmarks show my setup and a 5850 as being about the same in FPS? You need to learn more about how this all works. The slow downs I experience in a few games are as a result of my GPU running out of VRAM bandwidth while trying to load textures, which drops the framerates for a split second. This has been a sign of needing more VRAM for years. I'm not guessing, I'm using reasoning, facts, and history to determine my theory. 1GB of GDDR5 will do much better than 512mb of GDDR3 ALWAYS, but it may only be noticed where the 512mb of GDDR3 is a bottleneck, as in my case. So nVidia is just going with GDDR5 because it looks good in a marketing stand point? No, because it is a lot faster and, when 1GB of GDDR3 with a 512-bit bandwidth becomes a bottleneck, GDDR5 will be a much better alternative. But I guess I'm still guessing...
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February 13, 2010 6:26:10 PM

Of course the HD5850 would be better, it will have no scaling issues and yes, it has double the memory bandwidth and amount. Your speculations about the differences SPECIFICALLY between 512mb of ram and 1gb of ram are exactly that, speculation. Let me repeat, you will only be able to know for sure if that is the issue by using the same card with different amounts of ram.
BTW the cards in question in this post don't just have different speed ram they also have different memory buses. The HD5770s memory bandwidth is only very slightly higher than the HD4850 despite the switch from DDR3 to DDR5 because the memory bus has been cut in half. Not that it is relevant as I was talking about exclusively the difference associated with quantity of ram.
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a b U Graphics card
February 13, 2010 7:09:12 PM

Either way we can all agree that this should perform nicely for the next two to three years for me correct?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
February 13, 2010 7:25:40 PM

Crossfired I would think 2 years would be a reasonable expectation at 1080p, 3 may be pushing it but it's impossible to tell really.
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February 13, 2010 7:38:48 PM

It depends on what you mean by "nicely". My 8800 GTS 512mb cards can max out most new games at 1920x1200, or at least come close to it, almost 3 years later. That said, your 2 5770s are only about 30% faster so you must keep that in mind. 3 years from now I think you should be able to play any game in DX9/10 mode at your res with med-high settings.
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February 13, 2010 7:41:03 PM

AMW1011 said:
That said, your 2 5770s are only about 30% faster so you must keep that in mind.

30% faster than what?
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February 13, 2010 8:23:26 PM

jyjjy said:
The performance difference is 25% at 1920x1200 and overall according to that article. Maybe you don't consider that a worthwhile upgrade but most would.


Considering your 25% is roughly 3% (rounding UP) and tops out at 17.7 FPS in Crysis, which is the game that the op mentioned then yea i consider that a bad upgrade. And funny enough when put like that i dont actually know, like you claim to but would think most sane people wouldnt want to fork out $150 ish for 3 FPS.

Mactronix
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February 13, 2010 8:24:55 PM

AMW1011 said:
lol... win.

To be honest, a 25% performance increase is HUGE no matter how you look at it. That is another 10+ FPS is Crysis.

The problem is, anything lower than that isn't really worth it, which is why I haven't upgraded, I don't have the $400 to blow on a 5870 and I don't consider 2 5770s the same, as you can't crossfire those later on and get any real benefit. For the OP, 2 5770s will kick some major ass.

As for the VRAM argument, I call BS. People say there is little difference between 512mb of GDDR3 and 1GB of GDDR5 because benchmarks don't show it. You know what else benchmarks don't show? The full quality of gameplay. I can run Fallout 3 MAXED at my res without any AA and get 60+ FPS, but every minute or so it dips to 20 FPS as things load. This is because my GPUs don't have enough VRAM to load these things, and I know it is that because I upgraded from 8GB of DDR2 to 4GB of DDR3 and an i5 750 @ 4.0 GHz from an E6750 @ 3.2 GHz without any change.



Lol I'm surrounded by Einsteins read the review COUNT the FPS difference :pfff: 
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February 13, 2010 8:31:10 PM

mactronix said:
Considering your 25% is roughly 3% (rounding UP) and tops out at 17.7 FPS in Crysis, which is the game that the op mentioned then yea i consider that a bad upgrade. And funny enough when put like that i dont actually know, like you claim to but would think most sane people wouldnt want to fork out $150 ish for 3 FPS.

Mactronix

25% rounded up is 3%???
Do you really think it's a good call to assume the only game he will play is Crysis(at 1920x1200 with 4xAA)?
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February 13, 2010 8:45:53 PM

Ok well look at it this way then, in that whole review there are maybe 3 games if I'm being generous and only one really where the difference between the 4850 and the 5770 is Playable and Not playable, that's out of 19 games. Also you specified the resolution i didnt.
Either way you want to look at it its a very very stupid upgrade, Comes under more money than sense to me.
As i said new build sure but 4850 to 5770 no way.
We have the numbers and these are under best conditions, remember lots of people dont have top end i7 set ups like the guys at techpowerup do so the FPS will be lower still.

Mactronix :) 
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February 13, 2010 8:58:19 PM

Its a 25% increase in performance according to the article you linked, and that's even ignoring the increase in power efficiency and DX11 compatibility. That's simply not a stupid upgrade. It's also the same performance increase as HD4890-->HD5850. Would that also be a "very very stupid upgrade"?
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February 13, 2010 9:12:32 PM

jyjjy said:
30% faster than what?


my dual 8800 GTS 512mb.

mactronix said:
Ok well look at it this way then, in that whole review there are maybe 3 games if I'm being generous and only one really where the difference between the 4850 and the 5770 is Playable and Not playable, that's out of 19 games. Also you specified the resolution i didnt.
Either way you want to look at it its a very very stupid upgrade, Comes under more money than sense to me.
As i said new build sure but 4850 to 5770 no way.
We have the numbers and these are under best conditions, remember lots of people dont have top end i7 set ups like the guys at techpowerup do so the FPS will be lower still.

Mactronix :) 


I rarely resort to this but, your an idiot. Lets say he is getting 20 FPS at medium-high without AA. With the 25% figure he will get 25 FPS, which is playable. Lets say he is getting 30 average FPS, that 25% figure will increase it to 40 FPS, which is far more playable.

He wont be playing Crysis at Very High with 4x AA with EITHER card, so why is it relevant. He can now go to medium-high instead of low-medium.

Look here:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/10/12/amd_ati_radeo...

Comapring the 5770 scores to the 5750, which is a bit faster than the 4850, we see a HUGE difference in what settings he can use, they don't even recommend his resolution with a card that is in between his older one and his new one.
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February 13, 2010 9:15:59 PM

mactronix said:
Considering your 25% is roughly 3% (rounding UP) and tops out at 17.7 FPS in Crysis, which is the game that the op mentioned then yea i consider that a bad upgrade. And funny enough when put like that i dont actually know, like you claim to but would think most sane people wouldnt want to fork out $150 ish for 3 FPS.

Mactronix


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/9.html

How about 30 FPS!!! for only $150!!!!

Yeah that statement is no less useless than yours.
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