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October 7, 2010 9:51:28 PM

hi people i wanted to buy important & primary part of my new rig , Motherboard . but stuck on choosing one this 2 options
1.P55A UD3
2.H55m-USB3

i asked before & they say P55A UD3 is better for gaming . now which one is better for Gaming & latest hardwares ? & why ?

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October 7, 2010 9:56:01 PM

Right-off I don't like m/uATX MOBOs so the GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3P.

Also, I don't like CF for gaming, and prefer SLI so I'd take a look at the EVGA P55 SLI | 132-LF-E655-KR. IMO EVGA make the best gaming + OC MOBOs.
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October 8, 2010 11:02:42 AM

I dont like SLI because i will go for ATI Card . but not gonna Cross fire too . so just tell me which one is better in every thing ? performance quality , gaming , working ?
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October 8, 2010 1:31:04 PM

The P55A UD3 has a better chipset, the P55 beats the H55 and will perform better in gaming.
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October 8, 2010 4:01:05 PM

8Vidia said:
I dont like SLI because i will go for ATI Card . but not gonna Cross fire too . so just tell me which one is better in every thing ? performance quality , gaming , working ?

The best now is the 1366/X58 with SLI, and after that it gets "fuzzy." I have both CF & SLI, the CF is a pain in comparison to the SLI {Performance + Stability}. ATI for years has had poor drivers; I use to be an ATI fan until I kept blowing transistors off the ATI cards. I wish I could follow my own advice.

The best Gaming MOBO is the EVGA and the GA MOBO's are okay - the low to mid range Gigabyte MOBO are built too cheap and are under powered. The only GA MOBO I like id the UD9 but it's very expensive.

I would suggest the ASUS P7P55D Crossfire or EVGA P55 SLI | 132-LF-E655-KR.

Comparison:
ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7950 {299} = $506 // CF or SLI
GA-P55A-UD3P {145} i7-860 {280} = $425

Difference is $81 and there is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON to the 1366. It's a no brainier.
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October 8, 2010 10:13:15 PM

Ok , can i have good gaming experment with P55 Mobo ? i wanna get i5 760 & 5850 . is that Mobo a suitable option for those high end hardwares ? because i want nothing bother or bottleneck hardwares like CPU or VGA ! P55 is highest option for me i cant spend more .
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October 8, 2010 11:02:35 PM

The HD 5850 will not perform as good on the P55, but it still will perform very well. So there's complete clarity BOTH MOBO's {ASUS P7P55D & GA-P55A-UD3P} have their second PCIe slot running at x4 vs x8 or x16; x8 will not present itself as a problem by x4 will in high-end GPUs. Therefore, if you are certain that will be CF the HD 5850 then you might want to consider spending another $30 for the $180 ASUS P7P55D-E Pro.

Further, the least 'bottleneck' arrangement is the X58. ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {285} = $492 {difference ~$134}. I "get" $; shop bundles & rebates. I've seen this Ad and people say they're legitimate {I haven't purchased from them ?!} - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

ASUS P7P55D / $150 - http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=RBA8CzWoopUlYRFZ
CPU Support list:
Core i5 760(2.8G,L3:8M, rev.B1,95W) BIOS 1702
Recommendation:
Update to BIOS 1807 2010/08/27
GPU:
Slot 1 x16
Slot 2 x4 - 2-WAY CF Welcome to 'most' P55 problem!

Exceptions:
ASUS P7P55D-E Pro / $180 / 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (single at x16 or dual at x8 / x8 mode)

Speed = $. In addition, for ANY P55 if you want USB3/SATA3 that is coming off the PCIe available bandwidth.

HD 5850 specs - http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/ati-mo...
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October 9, 2010 8:06:38 AM

Let me clear something please , your saying that 5850 will work on P55 but not as great as that he has designed for ? i mean i will see a PERFORMANCE HIT if i get 5850 installed on P55 Mobo ( i mean P55A-UD3 ) ? please give me a CLEAR ANSWER , butaway that info was usefull but i need clear answer like ( yes , no , 15% , very well , not that great ) & with little more reasons & details . THANKS A LOT my friend .
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October 9, 2010 8:08:45 AM

Let me ask my Question clearer . P55A is new Mobo & 5850 is new VGA card . is P55a That powerfull to handle 5850 & let him wrok GREAT ( 100 % ) ? or i will see PERFORMANCE HIT ?
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October 9, 2010 10:16:46 AM

there is nothing wrong with the p55a ud3 it wont bottleneck your graphics card, if you are going to crossfire in the future just get an asus p7p55d e pro its probably the best lga 1156 motherboard price vs performance, there is nothing wrong with gigabyte boards, i dont know why jaquith has to complicate things, if you are not crossfiring go for the ud3 if you want to crossfire in the future then get the p7p55d e pro, its that simple, do not go for the ud3p its not worth the extra money, the ud3 actually has some good reviews
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October 9, 2010 10:21:25 AM

in other words the ud3 wont have a performance hit on your 5850 at all, but just a thought, i was in the same situation that you are in, maybe you should go for a gtx 460 1gb and the asus p7p55 d e pro motherboard as the gtx 460 is cheaper than the 5850, with that money saved you can get the asus motherboard, the gtx 460 1gb performs slightly worse than the 5850 on its own but because of SLIs scaling two gtx 460s in SLI perform better or on par to two 5850s in crossfire, so if you go that route you will have a better upgrade path as you can add a second gtx 460 in the future
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October 9, 2010 11:00:13 AM

i think that single 5850 would fully provide me , dont u think 5850 is very great card for gaming ? oh but away i am suing 1440 rez so i dont think ill need more than a single 5850 . is p7p55d e pro more expensive than p55a ud3 ? how much expensive ( use % for answer ) thanks .
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October 9, 2010 1:07:31 PM

LET ME BE CLEAR IT WILL HAVE A PERFORMANCE HIT X58 vs P55.

@sir philus apparently does not understand the architectural differences between P55 and X58 - I DO!

There are plenty of similar benchmarks, this graph took me 2 seconds to find.
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October 9, 2010 5:28:49 PM

U mean there will be a PERFORMANCE HIT ? becaus ei have OLD ga p31 DS3l which other people said 5850 will have 1-5 % performance hit , but P55A is so much higher than my GA P31 DS3L , how it can hit the performance of the 5850 .
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October 9, 2010 8:49:02 PM

The way it is I'm sorry to say X68 > X58 ~ P65 > P55 for performance right out of the shinny NEW BOX. I am comparing X58 against P55

Release Dates:


I can only assume an 8-core or at least a bump to 3.5~3.8 GHz 6-core consumer CPU will soon be replacing the i7 980X. Unless you pay the big bucks ~ $1,000 CPU or $400-$500 MOBO for "staying power" other tech will have short lifespans and constant baby leapfrogging.
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October 9, 2010 8:52:13 PM

OK thanks but what about my question ? please read it , Thanks a lot my friend .
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October 9, 2010 9:24:37 PM

8Vidia said:
U mean there will be a PERFORMANCE HIT ?

Explained several times - YES. Intel performance hierarchy X68 > X58 ~ P65 > P55 > ... P31
8Vidia said:
becaus ei have OLD ga p31 DS3l which other people said 5850 will have 1-5 % performance hit , but P55A is so much higher than my GA P31 DS3L , how it can hit the performance of the 5850 .

I {really cannot understand the question}, "how it can hit the performance of the 5850" - it what??

GA-EP31-DS3L http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The GA-EP31-DS3L is an older LGA 775 which is 2+ generations lower/levels down. {775 -> 1156 -> 1366} for one it uses DDR2 memory which is slower plus 800 MHz vs 2000 MHz RAM speed disparity, Dual Channel which is less efficient than Tri Channel, P31 ...> P55 ....> X58 Chipset ; both NB & SB is slower in the P31 ; Core 2 CPU vs i3 vs i5 vs i7. There are a lot of differences. .............. Lots of differences.

If you go the P55 {or X58} depending upon the CPU {most if not all} that you choose it is clearly a step forward, and will out perform you old P31.
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October 9, 2010 10:13:30 PM

it will not have a noticible real time difference, how manty people have gone for an i5 750 system and a 5850? hundreds, the difference is so tiny
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October 9, 2010 10:24:02 PM

How do I know!? ... How many?? The HD 5850 is a mid-level GPU so Millions of those GPUs are floating out there. 5-10 FPS is a big deal to most users.
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October 9, 2010 11:50:23 PM

oh please, look at what resolution he is playing at, im playing at 1080p with an i5 760, p55a ud4p motherboard and a gtx 460, a friend of mine has an i7 930 and a gigabyte ud3r and a gtx 460, maximum he gets 3 fps more than me, also if you have a 60 hz monitor you wont notice a difference past 60fps there is NOTHING wrong with the p55 chipset, i cant believe you are advising this user who obviously has a budget and is playing on a low resolution to go for an x58 build
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October 10, 2010 2:27:52 AM

^ I run 4-WAY GTX 480 on SR-2, 3-WAY GTX 470 on EVGA SLI Classified, and CF HD 5770 on ASUS P6X58D-E {non-gaming work machine} - TRUST me I notice the differences. It depends entirely on what games and how high your detail is set. There are games that will bring your GTX 460 or and HD 5850 to it's knees; Batman <15 FPS - total chop. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446...

Good Luck with that. ;) 
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October 10, 2010 3:41:10 AM

look at his resolution, must i say that again??????
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October 10, 2010 3:44:30 AM

he does not have the money to go for x58, get that into your head, a system with an i5 760 and a 5850 is pretty decent system, and is actually overkill for his resolution, he doesnt have the money like you do.... 4 way gtx 480s, how much more overkill can you get....
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October 10, 2010 6:33:12 AM

1680X1050??!! Is NOT that high of a resolution instead it is a Typical - you can read?

Get it your thick skull the $67 ~ -$18 difference is foolish - you can add?
GA-P55A-UD3P {145} i7-860 {280} = $425
ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $492 ; ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $407
i7 930 $200 - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

You're filling this post with nonsense. I'm trying to prevent the OP from making a mistake, and preventing regret. In addition, everyday tasks will be improved, more expansion, and clearly a better choice. I present the hard facts and not the fiction.

The ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $407 is a no brainier!!!
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October 10, 2010 9:24:37 AM

i dont think that 4 way GTX 480 will help when single card for example 5850 or 5870 can solve ur problem , 4 way GTX 480 comes useless , dear JAQUITH i suggest u to not burn ur money . CANT SIBNGLE GTX 480 provide u ? if u say NO then u have came from another GALAXY , lol . u think higher is better & u collect as much as u can whereas u can pay some money & get realy good performance . for example 8 GB ram become use less in 32BIT OS

because it only use 3& half of 8 GB .
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October 10, 2010 10:09:14 AM

1930598,25,388864 said:
1680X1050??!! Is NOT that high of a resolution instead it is a Typical - you can read?

Get it your thick skull the $67 ~ -$18 difference is foolish - you can add?
GA-P55A-UD3P {145} i7-860 {280} = $425
ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $492 ; ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $407
i7 930 $200 - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

You're filling this post with nonsense. I'm trying to prevent the OP from making a mistake, and preventing regret. In addition, everyday tasks will be improved, more expansion, and clearly a better choice. I present the hard facts and not the fiction.

The ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $407 is a no brainier!




he is not looking at the i7 860 hes looking at the i5 760, there would be no noticeable difference in gaming between the i5 760 and the i7 860, since he was looking at the p55a ud3 motherboard you would know THAT HE HAS A BUDGET, i5 760 + p55a ud3 = $330 hmmm i think theres a difference, $492 for an x58 motherboard and an i7 930 and $330 for an i5 760 and a p55a ud3, $162 to be exact, now thats quite a bit, my advice would be to get an asus p7p55D-e pro and an i5 760 and a gtx 460 1gb, then in the future he can get a second card
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October 10, 2010 10:15:03 AM

also he is not using 1680x1050, hes using 1440x900, LOOK! a 5850 is OVERKILL for that resolution! get your facts straight, i cant believe you want him to go for an x58 build
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October 10, 2010 10:24:24 AM

I dont wanna SLI , i think good single card is better . isnt single 5850 enough for MY REZ ? even i5 760 is great IMO . how will my stsem work with THAT REZ THAT iv got ? WIll i have problems , because i hardly can buy higher options . i just wanna know is it great UPGRADE for me or NOT ? be cause i am using E2160@ 1.8 MHZ that is realy low CPU & 9600 GT 1GB .
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October 10, 2010 10:26:07 AM

& let me correct u boys , 5850 is not MID-END its high end in benchmarks it always come after 5870 . its in high end VGA benchmarks , isnt it ?
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October 10, 2010 11:19:28 AM

he considered it mid end, and i was just suggesting the gtx 460, as it is not far behind a 5850 on its own and 2xgtx 460s are on par or better than 2x 5850s, also going for the gtx 460 and the asus motherboard you have a nice upgrade path and yes a 5850 is actually overkill for your resolution, a gtx 460 is also lol even a 5770 is, gtx 460 vs 5850 http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/180?vs=164, i was in the same situation as you were in and i started posts etc on my other account and everybody said i should go for the gtx 460 with an SLI capable motherboard over just an hd 5850 with a normal cheap motherboard, also both a gtx 460 1gb and an hd 5850 will be able to play games at full graphics on your resolution so you wont see a difference also if you decide to get a new monitor someday you can get another gtx 460 so that is a nice upgrade
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October 10, 2010 11:27:52 AM

Thanks alot .
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October 10, 2010 3:48:15 PM

+1 on the Asus P7P55d e - Pro board esp if you want to CF or SLI, have a budget and don't need highest frame rates at the highest resolutions (which requires x56 board and $$$). It has the best features and longevity, performance vs. almost all other P55 boards. Don't get the Gigabyte P55 or the ASUS P7P55D or e model.

Look at the # and speed of Pcie slots and the dedicated onboard usb3 / Sata III 6gb chips that do not borrow from the pcie x16 lanes (so you can still run 8x8 with CF / SLI) if / when using USB3 and Sata III 6gb devices in the future. The Gigabyte P55 boards and non-Pro / Premium / Deluxe Asus P55 boards) borrow lanes from graphics card giving definite hit to performance.

The e- Pro can be found for $170 and New Egg had a $145 rebate deal last July.

I decided not to buy / enter the 1156 world, however, after thousands of hours of research, choosing to update my Socket 775 / p965 Asus PB5-Plus with a Vertex 2, more RAM(6gb Patriot Ext. Performance) and a Q8400CPU since I don't CF or SLI (or even really game - yet), and can always add a dedicated USB3 / Sata III card for $25 when devices are readily available / matured, except that you really need a pcie x4 slot to do USB3 and SATA III properly which my board does not have.... which would necessitate a board upgrade (probably to p67 at that point)

Back to regularly scheduled programing...
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October 10, 2010 4:19:18 PM

u mean the ( Asus P7P55d e - Pro ) is better than those options ? is this right name of it ? : Asus P7P55d e - Pro ?or u meant something else ? after that its ASUS . i want to get i5 760 CPU with ATI 5850 , is it suitable & matchable MOBO with them ?
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October 10, 2010 4:26:01 PM

if you are going to crossfire or sli go for the asus p7p55d e pro just like i said, you said that you werent going to add a second graphics card so the p55a ud3 is perfectly ok, my other option for you was to go for the p7p55d e pro and get a gtx 460 instead of a 5850
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October 10, 2010 4:29:39 PM

even if you don't CF or SLI now, the e Pro is the way to go to future proof for years to come (ie SATA III and USB3 without taking a hit to your graphics pcie x16 lane(s) when you use USB3 and / or SATA III 6gb devices ).

And, you might want to CF or SLI later as well, again without a hit to pcie lanes. The Gigabyte Board P55A boards (with USB3 / SATA III 6b capability) will hit your pcie lanes. And they do not have a pcie 4x slot to add effective USB3 / SATA III capability down the road.

ALSO, the Gigabyte board has too few pcie slots and too many PCI slots!!!!!

Assuming you can afford the extra $50. :) 

no brainer to me. Well, after frying my cpu for a thousand hours to figure it all out.
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October 10, 2010 4:37:01 PM

does that borrowing of lanes hit the performance that high that for example 5850 will drop 20 % of its performance in games ? or i wont see that performance hit ? any way if that mobo that ur saying is not more expensive than P55A then i will go for it . after that please help me ( i am confused after u said that ) are u sure that P55A lend his lanes to ( the thing that u said ) ? but ASUS mobo doesnt ?
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October 10, 2010 4:39:22 PM

when that performance hit happens & why ?
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October 10, 2010 4:48:36 PM

8Vidia said:
does that borrowing of lanes hit the performance that high that for example 5850 will drop 20 % of its performance in games ? or i wont see that performance hit ? any way if that mobo that ur saying is not more expensive than P55A then i will go for it . after that please help me ( i am confused after u said that ) are u sure that P55A lend his lanes to ( the thing that u said ) ? but ASUS mobo doesnt ?



YES!!!

Just go to websites of Gigabyte and Asus and look it up or read reviews. I did the hard work for you. :bounce: 

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October 10, 2010 4:49:22 PM

Clearly - the $53 difference is foolish. Please buy the P55 though.
GA-P55A-UD3P {145} i5-750 {209} = $354
ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $407
i7 930 $200 - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Still, the ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $407 is a no brainier!!!

Most builders realize the negligible monetary differences between P55 and X58, know the advantages of the X58 and always choose the X58.

I actually hope do whatever @sir philus says he's the Pro!
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October 10, 2010 4:53:37 PM

jaquith said:
Clearly - the $53 difference is foolish. Please buy the P55 though.
GA-P55A-UD3P {145} i5-750 {209} = $354
ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $407
i7 930 $200 - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Still, the ASUS P6X58D-E {207}+ i7930 {200} = $407 is a no brainier!!!

Most builders realize the negligible monetary differences between P55 and X58, know the advantages of the X58 and always choose the X58.

I actually hope do whatever @sir philus says he's the Pro!


Broken record.... wrong song.... won't read the lyrics :) 
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October 10, 2010 4:57:54 PM

No u didnt . u just started , now please help me man . come on i realy dont know where i exactly should search . just clearly tell me are u sure ? how much performance hit is , please please please tell me . thanks
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October 10, 2010 4:58:16 PM

BTW ASUS P6X58D-E = $240.
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October 10, 2010 4:59:21 PM

8Vidia said:
No u didnt . u just started , now please help me man . come on i realy dont know where i exactly should search . just clearly tell me are u sure ? how much performance hit is , please please please tell me . thanks


read back to my posts. And search P55 and USB3 and SATA III 6gb performance.
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October 10, 2010 5:08:19 PM

Solo1 said:
BTW ASUS P6X58D-E = $240.

10% off w/ promo code MBTEN7
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October 10, 2010 5:14:18 PM

first of all where does he live? if he doesnt have access to microcenter then he cant get an i7 930 for $199, then x58 is out of the equation
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October 10, 2010 5:32:29 PM

I looked into building several different systems AM3, P55 and X58 and after doing very little research including benchmarks plus most importantly price the marginal differences of cost were quickly outweighed by the performance and expandability of the X58.

Everything jaquith is spot on correct and hopefully 8vidia will come to the same obvious conclusion. Unfortunately, Solo1 and sir philus are apparently despicably posting erroneous and misleading information.

I hate seeing posts like this because in doing a little research it sadly makes most people look like fools. The P55 only makes sense with low end i5 and i3 CPU and lower cost components.

Cheers
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October 10, 2010 5:42:42 PM

wow post this in the homebuilt systems and you will see, he is playing at 1440x 900!!!!!! there is nothing wrong with an i5 760, asus p7p55d e pro and a gtx 460, its actually overkill for his resolution, the benefits of x58 are 2 x16 slots right? well as said before there is a 3% difference in performance between p55 and x58 on crossfired 5870s, the asus does not disable usb3 and sata 6gbs when there is a second gpu put into system unlike the other gigabyte boards, honestly this is a gaming rig for 1440x900 why would you go for an x58 build its such overkill, its not like he is doing very cpu intensive things besides gaming and there is NO real time difference between an i7 930 and an i5 760 in gaming
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